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A 42-year-old father of four in good shape and with no underlying health conditions says not getting the COVID-19 vaccine was the biggest regret of his life.

After four days in the Intensive Care Unit at St. Cloud Hospital, he wants those who are hesitant, just like he was, to reconsider.

"It is the biggest regret that I will carry with myself for the rest of my life," Nick Knaack said.

Knaack said he chose not to get the vaccine because he's not considered high-risk, and believed if he contracted the virus he would be fine.

"Knowing what I know now...why wouldn't I have gotten it?" said Knaack who is still hooked up to oxygen two weeks after symptoms began.

On August 18, he came home from work with a headache. But what started as manageable COVID-19 symptoms quickly turned into a high fever and dangerously low oxygen levels.

"The first three nights, I sweat through basically every piece of clothing I had on plus the sheets," he recalled. "It's like a fluI thought that once you sweat through your clothes you've hit rock bottom and you're on the path to getting better... But that was the farthest thing from what I would encounter," he said.

He was admitted to the ICU at St. Cloud Hospital where, according to hospital administrators, more than 95 percent of current COVID-19 patients aren't vaccinated.

"Nick is a powerful story," said Dr. Jack Lyons with Centra Care ICU. "He's young, he's healthy, he doesn't have prior conditions and he still ended up in the ICU."

Dr. Jack Lyons says not all of his patients express as much regret as Knaack. Several, he says, remain steadfast in their vaccination choice even as they're in critical care.

"This is not a hoax, this is not a flu, this is deadly but by-and-large preventable," added the doctor.

The 42-year-old says the hardest part is knowing that he gave the virus to his six-year-old daughter. His wife and their two oldest children, who are all vaccinated, never contracted it. A testament, he says, to how effective the vaccine truly is.

"To have the opportunity and to not say anything, it would just be wrong," said Knaack.

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Can't remember if I saw this posted here first, or FB:

In other news, lots of people are really bad at math and self risk assessment. At least this guy isn't going to die with no life insurance and leave behind 3 kids and a pregnant wife.

Car accidents. Floods. Getting sued for a silly reason. Colon, breast and prostate cancer.

All relatively rare events. And yet we buy auto and flood and umbrella policies. We get colonoscopies and have our doctors screen us. And somehow now we decide that because it's "low risk" and we "understand the data", we decline to get vaccinated.

Such strange times we live in.

Of course he regrets not getting it. Someone who gets t-boned in an intersection on the way to Starbucks almost certainly also regrets giving into a crap coffee craving.

I'm sure the outliers that have a severe bout with the flu after skipping the flu shot also regret not getting that. It's natural to regret choices when things don't go your way.

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Car accidents. Floods. Getting sued for a silly reason. Colon, breast and prostate cancer.

All relatively rare events. And yet we buy auto and flood and umbrella policies. We get colonoscopies and have our doctors screen us. And somehow now we decide that because it's "low risk" and we "understand the data", we decline to get vaccinated.

Such strange times we live in.

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This is pretty silly. You get flood insurance if you're in a flood prone area and you get car insurance 1) because you're forced to in order to drive on public roads, and 2) because getting in a car accident at 40 and otherwise healthy is more likely to cause serious financial and medical strain than Covid IF you catch it.

IF you get colon cancer it's likely to get pretty bad and deadly. The same can't be said for this guy and catching Covid, it sounds like it was much more likely to be a nothingburger but didn't turn out that way after all.

Your risk assessment is obviously off if you're honestly comparing these events.

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Wakesurfer817 said:

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Car accidents. Floods. Getting sued for a silly reason. Colon, breast and prostate cancer.

All relatively rare events. And yet we buy auto and flood and umbrella policies. We get colonoscopies and have our doctors screen us. And somehow now we decide that because it's "low risk" and we "understand the data", we decline to get vaccinated.

Such strange times we live in.

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This is pretty silly. You get flood insurance if you're in a flood prone area and you get car insurance 1) because you're forced to in order to drive on public roads, and 2) because getting in a car accident at 40 and otherwise healthy is more likely to cause serious financial and medical strain than Covid IF you catch it.

IF you get colon cancer it's likely to get pretty bad and deadly. The same can't be said for this guy and catching Covid, it sounds like it was much more likely to be a nothingburger but didn't turn out that way after all.

Your risk assessment is obviously off if you're honestly comparing these ev

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I'm guessing you have no idea how much flood insurance costs. Every now and then on this site you can tell exactly where somebody is in life.

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Wakesurfer817 said:

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Wakesurfer817 said:

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Car accidents. Floods. Getting sued for a silly reason. Colon, breast and prostate cancer.

All relatively rare events. And yet we buy auto and flood and umbrella policies. We get colonoscopies and have our doctors screen us. And somehow now we decide that because it's "low risk" and we "understand the data", we decline to get vaccinated.

Such strange times we live in.

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This is pretty silly. You get flood insurance if you're in a flood prone area and you get car insurance 1) because you're forced to in order to drive on public roads, and 2) because getting in a car accident at 40 and otherwise healthy is more likely to cause serious financial and medical strain than Covid IF you catch it.

IF you get colon cancer it's likely to get pretty bad and deadly. The same can't be said for this guy and catching Covid, it sounds like it was much more likely to be a nothingburger but didn't turn out that way after all.

Your risk assessment is obviously off if you're honestly comparing these ev

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I'm guessing you have no idea how much flood insurance costs. Every now and then on this site you can tell exactly where somebody is in life.

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No I don't, because I'm not in a flood prone area. So if you mean sometimes you can tell where someone is geographically, then you're right.

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Let's say it was free. And you lived on the top of Mount Everest. Would you refuse coverage?

My point is that the risk management equation has 2 sides - the probability of an adverse event, and the cost of the hedge.

With regard to the vaccine - the professionals in health risk management are telling us - almost universally - that the hedge is in the money. AND they're putting their money where there mouth is - they're getting vaccinated. If you choose to decline to vaccinate, in my opinion, you're making a poor risk management decision.

There's a saying in the trade business - "we live in the tails". Hedge accordingly.

Wakesurfer817 said:

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Wakesurfer817 said:

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Wakesurfer817 said:

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Car accidents. Floods. Getting sued for a silly reason. Colon, breast and prostate cancer.

All relatively rare events. And yet we buy auto and flood and umbrella policies. We get colonoscopies and have our doctors screen us. And somehow now we decide that because it's "low risk" and we "understand the data", we decline to get vaccinated.

Such strange times we live in.

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This is pretty silly. You get flood insurance if you're in a flood prone area and you get car insurance 1) because you're forced to in order to drive on public roads, and 2) because getting in a car accident at 40 and otherwise healthy is more likely to cause serious financial and medical strain than Covid IF you catch it.

IF you get colon cancer it's likely to get pretty bad and deadly. The same can't be said for this guy and catching Covid, it sounds like it was much more likely to be a nothingburger but didn't turn out that way after all.

Your risk assessment is obviously off if you're honestly comparing these ev

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I'm guessing you have no idea how much flood insurance costs. Every now and then on this site you can tell exactly where somebody is in life.

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No I don't, because I'm not in a flood prone area. So if you mean sometimes you can tell where someone is geographically, then you're right.

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Let's say it was free. And you lived on the top of Mount Everest. Would you refuse coverage?

My point is that the risk management equation has 2 sides - the probability of an adverse event, and the cost of the hedge.

With regard to the vaccine - the professionals in health risk management are telling us - almost universally - that the hedge is in the money. AND they're putting their money where there mouth is - they're getting vaccinated. If you choose to decline to vaccinate, in my opinion, you're making a poor risk management decision.

There's a saying in the trade business - "we live in the tails". Hedge accordingly.

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The vaccine isn't free. Yes, I know you don't have to pay directly out of pocket for it, but the cost is side effects for 24+ hours and, if you're someone who has a phobia of needles, dealing with that. For me, this is the same reason I pass on the flu shot each year. I just don't want to deal with needles and potential side effects. If my health conditions change or I get old, I'll start getting the flu and covid-19 shots.

So yes, if I lived at the top of Mt Everest and was offered flood insurance but had to eat sweet potatoes (which I hate) to get it, I would pass on it.

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Wakesurfer817 said:

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waitwhat? said:

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Wakesurfer817 said:

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waitwhat? said:

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Wakesurfer817 said:

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Car accidents. Floods. Getting sued for a silly reason. Colon, breast and prostate cancer.

All relatively rare events. And yet we buy auto and flood and umbrella policies. We get colonoscopies and have our doctors screen us. And somehow now we decide that because it's "low risk" and we "understand the data", we decline to get vaccinated.

Such strange times we live in.

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This is pretty silly. You get flood insurance if you're in a flood prone area and you get car insurance 1) because you're forced to in order to drive on public roads, and 2) because getting in a car accident at 40 and otherwise healthy is more likely to cause serious financial and medical strain than Covid IF you catch it.

IF you get colon cancer it's likely to get pretty bad and deadly. The same can't be said for this guy and catching Covid, it sounds like it was much more likely to be a nothingburger but didn't turn out that way after all.

Your risk assessment is obviously off if you're honestly comparing these ev

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I'm guessing you have no idea how much flood insurance costs. Every now and then on this site you can tell exactly where somebody is in life.

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No I don't, because I'm not in a flood prone area. So if you mean sometimes you can tell where someone is geographically, then you're right.

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Let's say it was free. And you lived on the top of Mount Everest. Would you refuse coverage?

My point is that the risk management equation has 2 sides - the probability of an adverse event, and the cost of the hedge.

With regard to the vaccine - the professionals in health risk management are telling us - almost universally - that the hedge is in the money. AND they're putting their money where there mouth is - they're getting vaccinated. If you choose to decline to vaccinate, in my opinion, you're making a poor risk management decision.

There's a saying in the trade business - "we live in the tails". Hedge accordingly.

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The vaccine isn't free. Yes, I know you don't have to pay directly out of pocket for it, but the cost is side effects for 24+ hours and, if you're someone who has a phobia of needles, dealing with that. For me, this is the same reason I pass on the flu shot each year. I just don't want to deal with needles and potential side effects. If my health conditions change or I get old, I'll start getting the flu and covid-19 shots.

So yes, if I lived at the top of Mt Everest and was offered flood insurance but had to eat sweet potatoes (which I hate) to get it, I would pass on it.

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Ur scared of a needle u can't feel and 24 hours of feeling bad? That's it? That's what ur basing ur decision off of?

I wish it were a vaccine...like polio, mumps, rhubella, etc.

The number of breakthrough cases are through the roof and will only get worse with each varient. Flu and Covid "vaccines" are merely therapuetical shots for the vast majority of people

JesusQuintana said:

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Wakesurfer817 said:

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waitwhat? said:

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Wakesurfer817 said:

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Wakesurfer817 said:

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Car accidents. Floods. Getting sued for a silly reason. Colon, breast and prostate cancer.

All relatively rare events. And yet we buy auto and flood and umbrella policies. We get colonoscopies and have our doctors screen us. And somehow now we decide that because it's "low risk" and we "understand the data", we decline to get vaccinated.

Such strange times we live in.

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This is pretty silly. You get flood insurance if you're in a flood prone area and you get car insurance 1) because you're forced to in order to drive on public roads, and 2) because getting in a car accident at 40 and otherwise healthy is more likely to cause serious financial and medical strain than Covid IF you catch it.

IF you get colon cancer it's likely to get pretty bad and deadly. The same can't be said for this guy and catching Covid, it sounds like it was much more likely to be a nothingburger but didn't turn out that way after all.

Your risk assessment is obviously off if you're honestly comparing these ev

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I'm guessing you have no idea how much flood insurance costs. Every now and then on this site you can tell exactly where somebody is in life.

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No I don't, because I'm not in a flood prone area. So if you mean sometimes you can tell where someone is geographically, then you're right.

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Let's say it was free. And you lived on the top of Mount Everest. Would you refuse coverage?

My point is that the risk management equation has 2 sides - the probability of an adverse event, and the cost of the hedge.

With regard to the vaccine - the professionals in health risk management are telling us - almost universally - that the hedge is in the money. AND they're putting their money where there mouth is - they're getting vaccinated. If you choose to decline to vaccinate, in my opinion, you're making a poor risk management decision.

There's a saying in the trade business - "we live in the tails". Hedge accordingly.

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The vaccine isn't free. Yes, I know you don't have to pay directly out of pocket for it, but the cost is side effects for 24+ hours and, if you're someone who has a phobia of needles, dealing with that. For me, this is the same reason I pass on the flu shot each year. I just don't want to deal with needles and potential side effects. If my health conditions change or I get old, I'll start getting the flu and covid-19 shots.

So yes, if I lived at the top of Mt Everest and was offered flood insurance but had to eat sweet potatoes (which I hate) to get it, I would pass on it.

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Ur scared of a needle u can't feel and 24 hours of feeling bad? That's it? That's what ur basing ur decision off of?

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When I was a kid I watched my mom overdose on heroin and start convulsing with the needle still in her arm. Ever since that I just get very apprehensive at the thought of needles. And yes I don't want to deal with very likely side effects for 24 hours to make the extremely unlikely risk of serious illness with covid a little less likely.

And the first part about my mom wasn't true, but maybe you should consider things like that before mocking someone. The true story is I once had an inexperienced nurse trying to take blood and she couldn't find a vein and was just digging around in my arm until she found it. I f***ing hate needles. Sue me. I suck it up once a year for my doctor to do bloodwork.

If you're reading this and don't have flood insurance, it's super cheap and can save you a couple hundred thousand dollars if something crazy happens (see the Northeast US this past week).

Apply same logic to vaccine and make a decision that works for you.

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If you're reading this and don't have flood insurance, it's super cheap and can save you a couple hundred thousand dollars if something crazy happens (see the Northeast US this past week).

Apply same logic to vaccine and make a decision that works for you.

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Wait, flood insurance doesn't keep my house from actually flooding?

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In other news, lots of people are really bad at math and self risk assessment. At least this guy isn't going to die with no life insurance and leave behind 3 kids and a pregnant wife.

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Not getting the vaccine is an incredibly reckless decision, even with the current Delta variant.


Amazes me how many people still refuse the vaccines. Free country, dont get me wrong. It is their right to be idiots.

16chan always gets me

Youre painting with a broad brush there. If you are over 60, are immunocompromised, or have other conditions(morbidly obese), then it might be reckless to not get jabbed.

But I am 35, could stand to lose a few pounds, but am very active and I work outside every day. My chance of severe illness from covid is very, very small.

It's not reckless for me to decline the jab. If this was a normal vaccine that had long term effects studied, I might take it. But the amount of breakthrough infections and the fact that I have no idea what the long term effects of the jab are, because it hasn't been around long enough for those studies to take place, gives me pause.

A bunch of bureaucrats and celebrities telling me to take it or I'm a selfish ba$tard doesnt improve the odds that I get the jab.

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Youre painting with a broad brush there. If you are over 60, are immunocompromised, or have other conditions(morbidly obese), then it might be reckless to not get jabbed.

But I am 35, could stand to lose a few pounds, but am very active and I work outside every day. My chance of severe illness from covid is very, very small.

It's not reckless for me to decline the jab. If this was a normal vaccine that had long term effects studied, I might take it. But the amount of breakthrough infections and the fact that I have no idea what the long term effects of the jab are, because it hasn't been around long enough for those studies to take place, gives me pause.

A bunch of bureaucrats and celebrities telling me to take it or I'm a selfish ba$tard doesnt improve the odds that I get the jab.

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What are the long term effects of the virus? Are they known? Have u talked with ur doctor instead of the bureaucrats and celebrities?

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Youre painting with a broad brush there. If you are over 60, are immunocompromised, or have other conditions(morbidly obese), then it might be reckless to not get jabbed.

But I am 35, could stand to lose a few pounds, but am very active and I work outside every day. My chance of severe illness from covid is very, very small.

It's not reckless for me to decline the jab. If this was a normal vaccine that had long term effects studied, I might take it. But the amount of breakthrough infections and the fact that I have no idea what the long term effects of the jab are, because it hasn't been around long enough for those studies to take place, gives me pause.

A bunch of bureaucrats and celebrities telling me to take it or I'm a selfish ba$tard doesnt improve the odds that I get the jab.

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If you know you could lose a few pounds, you are probably fatter than you even realize and at risk of having a bad time with Covid-19. I see so many people who say they are healthy besides needing to lose a few pounds. When in reality they are obese.

2 weeks ago, I had a 34 year old who was a little overweight with no past medical hx spend a week in the hospital and get sent home on oxygen. Currently have a 45 and a 50 year old. Both in great shape with no prior medical history. One's been in the hospital 12 days and can't get off high flow oxygen. Sats drop even getting up to go to the bathroom. The other's only been here a day, but he is as sick as you can be without doing dangerous interventions like intubation. Newest guy already had COVID last year too. All 3 healthy people with manual labor jobs (2 x oilfield and one ranch hand), non-smokers with no past medical history.

So from my point of view, it is very reckless for you not to get vaccinated. I've taken care of 3 people in the hospital in the last 3 weeks that are all healthier than you. Unless your age and BMI are both under 25, then we've probably admitted people just like you. And my hospital is tiny. We have 12 beds and see less than 300 per month in our ER. The town population is 2000-3000. Major hospitals are full of people just like you who think they are low risk when they're not.

Delta is a different beast. Get vaccinated already. We're all tired of watching people get sick for no reason.

Yes, I went to high school with my doctor, and talk to him every Sunday at church. He's young enough to be up to date on new technology, but is old school in his take on medicine. That's why he is my family physician. He doesn't prescribe medicine unless it's absolutely necessary. When I had problems with my knee a few months after surgery, he didn't immediately write a script for oxy, he told me to ice and rest it for a few days and come back if I still had pain. Ice and rest worked. He hasn't told me to get jabbed.

This is how I feel about covid. You have two options: trust a new science (mRNA vaccine) that has been researched for about a decade, with this specific vaccine being developed in less than a year, or trust your God given(or evolutionary developed over a 100,000 years) immune system. If that system is compromised, then go with the new science. I don't see how this is hard for coronabros to understand

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2 weeks ago, I had a 34 year old who was a little overweight with no past medical hx spend a week in the hospital and get sent home on oxygen. Currently have a 45 and a 50 year old. Both in great shape with no prior medical history. One's been in the hospital 12 days and can't get off high flow oxygen. Sats drop even getting up to go to the bathroom. The other's only been here a day, but he is as sick as you can be without doing dangerous interventions like intubation. Newest guy already had COVID last year too. All 3 healthy people with manual labor jobs (2 x oilfield and one ranch hand), non-smokers with no past medical history.

So from my point of view, it is very reckless for you not to get vaccinated. I've taken care of 3 people in the hospital in the last 3 weeks that are all healthier than you. Unless your age and BMI are both under 25, then we've probably admitted people just like you. And my hospital is tiny. We have 12 beds and see less than 300 per month in our ER. The town population is 2000-3000. Major hospitals are full of people just like you who think they are low risk when they're not.

Delta is a different beast. Get vaccinated already. We're all tired of watching people get sick for no reason.

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How many 34 year olds who are a little overweight with no past medical hx were infected and DIDN'T spend a week in the hospital and get sent home with oxygen?

You're seeing the exception, not the rule, and presenting it like it's concerning despite the fact that you're totally expected to see the exceptions.

Get back to me when the rate of serious illness among those infected with the virus in that demographic increases.

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Yes, I went to high school with my doctor, and talk to him every Sunday at church. He's young enough to be up to date on new technology, but is old school in his take on medicine. That's why he is my family physician. He doesn't prescribe medicine unless it's absolutely necessary. When I had problems with my knee a few months after surgery, he didn't immediately write a script for oxy, he told me to ice and rest it for a few days and come back if I still had pain. Ice and rest worked. He hasn't told me to get jabbed.

This is how I feel about covid. You have two options: trust a new science (mRNA vaccine) that has been researched for about a decade, with this specific vaccine being developed in less than a year, or trust your God given(or evolutionary developed over a 100,000 years) immune system. If that system is compromised, then go with the new science. I don't see how this is hard for coronabros to understand

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Ok. If ur physician said not to get the vaccine then u did u did ur due diligence and made an educated decision.which is more than a-lot of folks do. Hope it works out for you.

You don't need to toss out stupid **** like coronabros or branch covidians. It's ok to be an adult and act like one.

Thanks for your internet diagnosis, but I'll take my chances on my immune system. Your use of BMI as a standard invalidates your Red Cross tag. Completely useless, 200+ year old measure of health. I said I can stand to lose a few pounds, and I know it. By knowing that, I have taken care to get blood work and tests done annually(plus the company pays for the wellness visit). My blood pressure is normal and my cholesterol isn't high. Liver enzymes were a tick elevated on my last visit, nothing to get excited about, but I chose to cut back the after work beers to just weekend beers.

Me not getting the jab is not a reckless decision, doc

The exception is so common that I've seen in 3 times in 3 weeks in a tiny hospital in a tiny town. This "exception" is so common all the hospitals are full. This exception is common enough that several people who regularly post in this very forum had the same thing happen to them.

I'm not a pulmonologist working in a major hospital in a big city. I'm a small town family doc that sees inpatients on the side. I normally have 0-1 patients in the hospital and 2-3 when I'm on call on any given day. If I'm seeing this all the time, then every other inpatient doctor in Texas is seeing this all the time

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The exception is so common that I've seen in 3 times in 3 weeks in a tiny hospital in a tiny town. This "exception" is so common all the hospitals are full. This exception is common enough that several people who regularly post in this very forum had the same thing happen to them.

I'm not a pulmonologist working in a major hospital in a big city. I'm a small town family doc that sees inpatients on the side. I normally have 0-1 patients in the hospital and 2-3 when I'm on call on any given day. If I'm seeing this all the time, then every other inpatient doctor in Texas is seeing this all the time

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Wow you're seeing more exceptions during a surge, that changes everything.

Doctor, has the virus become more dangerous to that demographic than it used to be, or are you seeing an increase because more of that demographic are now being infected?

You missed evolutionary developed over a 100,000 years. Pro tip, it's in parentheses.

And on the topic of long term side effects. We have over a century of data on long term side effects of viruses, which gives reasonable extrapolation to covid. We have zero on mRNA vaccines. I'm glad you've chosen to be a gunner pig so I can make an educated decision in 10-15 years

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The exception is so common that I've seen in 3 times in 3 weeks in a tiny hospital in a tiny town. This "exception" is so common all the hospitals are full. This exception is common enough that several people who regularly post in this very forum had the same thing happen to them.

I'm not a pulmonologist working in a major hospital in a big city. I'm a small town family doc that sees inpatients on the side. I normally have 0-1 patients in the hospital and 2-3 when I'm on call on any given day. If I'm seeing this all the time, then every other inpatient doctor in Texas is seeing this all the time

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Wow you're seeing more exceptions during a surge, that changes everything.

Doctor, has the virus become more dangerous to that demographic than it used to be, or are you seeing an increase because more of that demographic are now being infected?

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He just said he's in a town of 2000-3000 people. Him seeing the "exceptions" in a population that size SHOULD change everything.

Wow, I live in a tiny town with a tiny hospital too! Our hospital posts covid numbers daily. In a county of 2500 people, we have 11 positives and 2 hospitalizations. The two are over 70 years old

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You missed evolutionary developed over a 100,000 years. Pro tip, it's in parentheses.

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Go on. I'm very interested in learning how 100,000 years of evolution has enabled mankind to develop immunity to a virus it has never seen.