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No Wife didn't have ICU space for transplant recipient post surgery. Other hospitals in area same boat.

Finally got ICU to set up and care for patient IN the OR post surgery. With so little space, a lot of procedures are being cancelled and room could be set aside for a day.

Until they get another kidney.

I know it's heartless, but the unvaxxed are really causing a lot of unnecessary issues for hospitals.

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I'm sorry, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to see your wifes health hanging in the balance.

How is she doing now.

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You are slinging insults around yet don't comprehend a basic post? Really?

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Yep, my mistake. Sorry my disbelief and sadness at folks endangering their lives by rejecting science for unproven remedies meant for animals is an insult to you.

NicosMachine said:

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If the vaccines worked as we were told, this wouldn't be an issue. These vaccines lose much of their effectiveness within six months and they don't prevent the vaccinated from spreading the virus. Add that to the fact we don't have data regarding the possible long-term effects and it looks like boosters are needed every six months and I'd say these are the least effective vaccines in the history of vaccines.

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All good points and it's still insanely safer than getting COVID.

NicosMachine said:

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If the vaccines worked as we were told, this wouldn't be an issue. These vaccines lose much of their effectiveness within six months and they don't prevent the vaccinated from spreading the virus. Add that to the fact we don't have data regarding the possible long-term effects and it looks like boosters are needed every six months and I'd say these are the least effective vaccines in the history of vaccines.

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BCG Disciple said:

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Not sure why the OP is such a hot button issue. If ICU's were filled by the obese or cancer patients, etc, would it not be ok for them to complain about their life decisions? The fact remains that this is about as clear of an issue as it could be. The vaccine is highly effective and people choose fear in low likelihood outcomes that they don't understand. If I had a loved one pass right now I would be on an absolute crusade against anti vaxxers.

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You should be on a crusade against obese people. They are the ones clogging up the hospital beds. 80+% of those hospitalized with covid are obese. Not to mention all the other health care resources they use up with their diabetes and heart disease treatments.

We really need a crusade against obesity in this country.

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rudy99 said:

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No Wife didn't have ICU space for transplant recipient post surgery. Other hospitals in area same boat.

Finally got ICU to set up and care for patient IN the OR post surgery. With so little space, a lot of procedures are being cancelled and room could be set aside for a day.

Until they get another kidney.

I know it's heartless, but the unvaxxed are really causing a lot of unnecessary issues for hospitals.

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I'm sorry, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to see your wifes health hanging in the balance.

How is she doing now.

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You are slinging insults around yet don't comprehend a basic post? Really?

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Yep, my mistake. Sorry my disbelief and sadness at folks endangering their lives by rejecting science for unproven remedies meant for animals is an insult to you.

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The doctor who prescribed me Ivermectin was a board certified physician and I picked up my meds at Walgreens. Talk about ignorance gulped down by the gallons from the trough of CNN's fear porn.

Please develop a quick vaccine. Pretty sure anyone who battles their weight would happily take it and a booster as often as needed. Keep your life insurance up to date.

So much willful obtuseness regarding vaccine hesitancy and its effect on hospitals by some on this thread.

90%+ of those admitted for COVID are unvaxxed. Not debatable.
I work at a hospital and it's true.

Yesterday said:

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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rudy99 said:

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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wbt5845 said:

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No Wife didn't have ICU space for transplant recipient post surgery. Other hospitals in area same boat.

Finally got ICU to set up and care for patient IN the OR post surgery. With so little space, a lot of procedures are being cancelled and room could be set aside for a day.

Until they get another kidney.

I know it's heartless, but the unvaxxed are really causing a lot of unnecessary issues for hospitals.

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I'm sorry, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to see your wifes health hanging in the balance.

How is she doing now.

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You are slinging insults around yet don't comprehend a basic post? Really?

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Yep, my mistake. Sorry my disbelief and sadness at folks endangering their lives by rejecting science for unproven remedies meant for animals is an insult to you.

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The doctor who prescribed me Ivermectin was a board certified physician and I picked up my meds at Walgreens. Talk about ignorance gulped down by the gallons from the trough of CNN's fear porn.

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Oh great, so you found one doc while the vast majority of medical institutions in this country strongly are against horse paste.

You can scream CNN all you want like this is f16, but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of people on vents and dying are unvaccinated. If someone on twitter says sheep intestine cleaner works, hey why not?

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question for the OP.

do you blame China for anything regarding coronavirus or just unvaxxed?

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Worry about what we can control.

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That would make sense if this was about controlling our destiny as a civilization with healthcare availability, hospital capacity and deaths.

It's about a political narrative, the blame game and whos the boogeyman

It's all about the difference between FoxNews and CNN. And all they care about is selling advertisements so the sheeple will have a coke and a smile to line their pockets

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This is the COVID board.

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So much willful obtuseness regarding vaccine hesitancy and its effect on hospitals by some on this thread.

90%+ of those admitted for COVID are unvaxxed. Not debatable.
I work at a hospital and it's true.

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Why did you leave out the obese part? That's also true.

NicosMachine said:

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If the vaccines worked as we were told, this wouldn't be an issue. These vaccines lose much of their effectiveness within six months and they don't prevent the vaccinated from spreading the virus. Add that to the fact we don't have data regarding the possible long-term effects and it looks like boosters are needed every six months and I'd say these are the least effective vaccines in the history of vaccines.

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This is a ridiculous take all around.

NicosMachine said:

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If the vaccines worked as we were told, this wouldn't be an issue. These vaccines lose much of their effectiveness within six months and they don't prevent the vaccinated from spreading the virus. Add that to the fact we don't have data regarding the possible long-term effects and it looks like boosters are needed every six months and I'd say these are the least effective vaccines in the history of vaccines.

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There were plenty of discussions from the start about the possibility that boosters might be needed every six months to two years. There was also lots of discussion from the start about natural immunity not being much better.

If you want guarantees in life, you are of the wrong species.

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Please develop a quick vaccine. Pretty sure anyone who battles their weight would happily take it and a booster as often as needed. Keep your life insurance up to date.

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Already invented, don't eat/drink so much and exercise.

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NicosMachine said:

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If the vaccines worked as we were told, this wouldn't be an issue. These vaccines lose much of their effectiveness within six months and they don't prevent the vaccinated from spreading the virus. Add that to the fact we don't have data regarding the possible long-term effects and it looks like boosters are needed every six months and I'd say these are the least effective vaccines in the history of vaccines.

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All good points and it's still insanely safer than getting COVID.

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Is it though? Have you actually researched the actual infection rate versus fatality rate keeping in mind that hospital systems are making millions by labeling COVID as cause of death.

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Yesterday said:

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rudy99 said:

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No Wife didn't have ICU space for transplant recipient post surgery. Other hospitals in area same boat.

Finally got ICU to set up and care for patient IN the OR post surgery. With so little space, a lot of procedures are being cancelled and room could be set aside for a day.

Until they get another kidney.

I know it's heartless, but the unvaxxed are really causing a lot of unnecessary issues for hospitals.

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I'm sorry, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to see your wifes health hanging in the balance.

How is she doing now.

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You are slinging insults around yet don't comprehend a basic post? Really?

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Yep, my mistake. Sorry my disbelief and sadness at folks endangering their lives by rejecting science for unproven remedies meant for animals is an insult to you.

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The doctor who prescribed me Ivermectin was a board certified physician and I picked up my meds at Walgreens. Talk about ignorance gulped down by the gallons from the trough of CNN's fear porn.

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Oh great, so you found one doc while the vast majority of medical institutions in this country strongly are against horse paste.

You can scream CNN all you want like this is f16, but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of people on vents and dying are unvaccinated. If someone on twitter says sheep intestine cleaner works, hey why not?

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The fact you think it's horse paste is even better. You may want to sit this one out.

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Not sure why the OP is such a hot button issue. If ICU's were filled by the obese or cancer patients, etc, would it not be ok for them to complain about their life decisions? The fact remains that this is about as clear of an issue as it could be. The vaccine is highly effective and people choose fear in low likelihood outcomes that they don't understand. If I had a loved one pass right now I would be on an absolute crusade against anti vaxxers.

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You should be on a crusade against obese people. They are the ones clogging up the hospital beds. 80+% of those hospitalized with covid are obese. Not to mention all the other health care resources they use up with their diabetes and heart disease treatments.

We really need a crusade against obesity in this country.

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Is there a shot for obesity?

Are vaccinated obese people being excluded from hospital census calculations?

When's the last time the ER's and ICU's have been understaffed because of obesity?

NicosMachine said:

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If the vaccines worked as we were told, this wouldn't be an issue. These vaccines lose much of their effectiveness within six months and they don't prevent the vaccinated from spreading the virus. Add that to the fact we don't have data regarding the possible long-term effects and it looks like boosters are needed every six months and I'd say these are the least effective vaccines in the history of vaccines.

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Even with all of the BS you posted here we are still seeing the hospitals filled with unvaccinated people.

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Gumby said:

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Not sure why the OP is such a hot button issue. If ICU's were filled by the obese or cancer patients, etc, would it not be ok for them to complain about their life decisions? The fact remains that this is about as clear of an issue as it could be. The vaccine is highly effective and people choose fear in low likelihood outcomes that they don't understand. If I had a loved one pass right now I would be on an absolute crusade against anti vaxxers.

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You should be on a crusade against obese people. They are the ones clogging up the hospital beds. 80+% of those hospitalized with covid are obese. Not to mention all the other health care resources they use up with their diabetes and heart disease treatments.

We really need a crusade against obesity in this country.

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Is there a shot for obesity?

Are vaccinated obese people being excluded from hospital census calculations?

When's the last time the ER's and ICU's have been understaffed because of obesity?

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I get what you are saying and this really should not be an either / or situation...however...

Correct...there is no obesity shot.

However, obesity did not just occur this past 1.5 years. We have know about obesity for decades / centuries. People for decades look in the mirror every day and take a shower every day and are "ok" with where they are at (lifting fat rolls to clean etc). Prior to COVID, hospitals have a high percentage of obesity related patients. Obesity is a huge burden on our healthcare system / costs.

I go back and forth....do you shame the person who has made poor decisions over decades and REFUSED to make changes or do you shame the person, in the last year, was asked to take a shot they, right or wrong, may not feel 100% ok with.

Maybe the answer is both and I will concede the unvaccinated are adding that final "blow" to throw hospitals in disarray.

Maybe after we get past COVID we start taking obesity as serious as we do this shot and that may be the best answer.

I would say currently. If this country wasn't so fat we would have much less heart disease and diabetes, and much less hospitalizations and deaths from Covid.

You guys do know that being thin is no guarantee of health, right?

My cousin who died of Covid last week after spending a month in the hospital was not even a little overweight and had no health problems other than being 69 years old.

I also have two friends in their early 50s, and one in his late 30s all thin and heathy who spent two weeks plus in ICU fighting for their lives.


Thankfully these younger three managed to beat it and go home but they're all still struggling with fatigue and other symptoms weeks later.

The only things these people had in common?

Male, and not vaccinated.

Just anecdotal, but I'm getting pretty sick of this idea that only fat people are sick. Nope. It's the unvaccinated - overwhelmingly.

I've known a few vaccinated people who got it recently, but they all had mild cases.

To those who have asked:

- Yes, my wife is a nurse - educator for surgical services at her large D/FW area hospital - but still takes kidney/pancreas transplant call.

- I have been on an anti-obesity crusade for years. See my posts on fitness forum to read about my journey to better heath. Yes, we've had 1.5 years to get healthy and few have taken advantage of it. But that doesn't happen overnight - a vaccination does.

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You guys do know that being thin is no guarantee of health, right?

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QFT

I always talk about getting healthy, not losing weight. Since I started a path to a healthier lifestyle several years back, I try to just focus on making healthy choices and letting the weight take care of itself.

There are a lot of skinny people who lead very unhealthy lifestyles.

you are 100% correct. it is not just obesity; however, the last I saw was over 78% of hospitalizations were overweight or obese and I would be curious if a chunk of the remaining 22% were elderly. Definitely not all but a decent number.

i would not say this is ALL obesity problem but if we even said 50% of COVID hospitalizations were obesity related and we had 50% reduction in USA obesity....might be fair to say we would have lessened the burden on our hospitals? maybe?

sure....vaccine is the easiest way to get through this but I do struggle to shame and wag fingers at 'relatively' healthy people who choose to wait on a vaccine but then 'praise' the health choices of a person with 28+ BMI....


edit: haha i swore i would not go down these rabbit holes again on this board and here I am. this will be my last post on it. I agree, vaccine would reduce burden overwhelmingly but maybe down the road we can start a "new" conversation on other health aspects...

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If the vaccines worked as we were told, this wouldn't be an issue.

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The vaccines DO work as we've been told. Once again, the overwhelming majority of people in the hospital, in ICU, and dying of COVID are the UNVACCINATED.

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The vaccines don't lose much of their effectiveness within six months. They're trying to pin down a number, but it looks like the effectiveness falls by about 20% 6 months out.

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The vaccines do help prevent the vaccinated from spreading the virus. The transmission rate is higher with the delta, but vaccinated people still carry a viral load for a shorter period of time and recent studies show that breakthrough delta infections have significantly less culturable virus.

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Add that to the fact we don't have data regarding the possible long-term effects

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Long term side effects are unlikely with any vaccination. Most side effects are seen in the short-term. Trials have been going for about 18 months now.

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No one is calling for boosters EVERY 6 months. This first booster shot people are calling for really seems more like a theory as we still struggle to understand the best way to combat the disease. Early numbers do suggest its effective. I think it will become an annual shot like the flu shot.

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I'd say these are the least effective vaccines in the history of vaccines.

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This is a HUGELY effective vaccine. To say otherwise is bananas. The flu shot decreases the likelihood of hospitalization by 40%-60%. The COVID mRNA vaccine decrease that likelihood by 96%.

Everything you said is just made up nonsense that has no backing in reason. Like why even post such blatant lies? What's the point??

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It's really the unvaccinated's fault?

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Certainly looks like it.

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but maybe down the road we can start a "new" conversation on other health aspects...

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Do you honestly believe fat people don't hear EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. that they should lose weight.? Do you think we don't get up EVERY. SINGLE. MORNING and say, today I'm going to make better choices. I'm going to "eat right" and "exercise more." ?

I started out a healthy weight. Not fat as a kid. But after having our daughter I began to have a lot more trouble with my weight. I got it off and was healthy for a few years and then ski accident, back trouble, etc and the weight began to pile on. I work on it. I struggle with it. It's a battle mentally and physically. I don't enjoy being this weight.

But I think you and others who act like we "need to have a conversation" are delusional. We DO have that conversation. We're constantly bombarded with the message that skinny is the only way to be pretty and healthy, and that we need to do whatever it takes, including pills, surgery, or whatever, to get to a healthy weight.


If these fat people would go get the vaccine, they'd have a chance to get healthy the natural way.

Unfortunately too many of them have bought in to the anti-vaccine nonsense and refuse to do so. They pay the price with their lives or the long term damage from the Covid that would be so easily avoided if they'd just get the vaccine.

I support their choice, but it's an even more stupid one than having that cupcake after dinner.

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Wife didn't have ICU space for transplant recipient post surgery. Other hospitals in area same boat.

Finally got ICU to set up and care for patient IN the OR post surgery. With so little space, a lot of procedures are being cancelled and room could be set aside for a day.

Until they get another kidney.

I know it's heartless, but the unvaxxed are really causing a lot of unnecessary issues for hospitals.

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Oh bull*****

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It is most certainly not bull****

https://abc13.com/us-army-veteran-daniel-wilkinson-michelle-puget-man-dies-waiting-icu/10983810/

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Its an unfortunate story and an outlier at best. The Houston counts seem pretty reasonable. But keep posting that story to support your narrative.

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-icu-bed-capacity-and-occupancy/

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You can keep covering your ears and eyes and pretending like everything is fine but numerous hospitals in numerous counties in numerous states are reporting full or almost full ICUs being packed with COVID patients, almost all of whom are unvaccinated.

I have heard many more stories like that one. That is just a recent one in Texas that got some news coverage.

I don't understand this rampant denial from people. I'm not sure how much evidence can possibly be thrown at you to prove that yes, COVID is a serious problem, and yes, it's now primarily the unvaccinated who are suffering from it.

Yesterday said:

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Yesterday said:

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rudy99 said:

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No Wife didn't have ICU space for transplant recipient post surgery. Other hospitals in area same boat.

Finally got ICU to set up and care for patient IN the OR post surgery. With so little space, a lot of procedures are being cancelled and room could be set aside for a day.

Until they get another kidney.

I know it's heartless, but the unvaxxed are really causing a lot of unnecessary issues for hospitals.

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I'm sorry, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to see your wifes health hanging in the balance.

How is she doing now.

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You are slinging insults around yet don't comprehend a basic post? Really?

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Yep, my mistake. Sorry my disbelief and sadness at folks endangering their lives by rejecting science for unproven remedies meant for animals is an insult to you.

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The doctor who prescribed me Ivermectin was a board certified physician and I picked up my meds at Walgreens. Talk about ignorance gulped down by the gallons from the trough of CNN's fear porn.

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Oh great, so you found one doc while the vast majority of medical institutions in this country strongly are against horse paste.

You can scream CNN all you want like this is f16, but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of people on vents and dying are unvaccinated. If someone on twitter says sheep intestine cleaner works, hey why not?

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The fact you think it's horse paste is even better. You may want to sit this one out.

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Don't worry, sadly a lot of sad anti-vaxxers are sitting this one out, some permanently thanks to your horse paste and twitter