If 100% of a country is fully vaccinated then 100% of their covid hospitalizations will be fully vaccinated.

What we see in Texas is like 92% of admissions are un-vaxxed, 4% in the ICU are vaxxed, 3% on vents are vaxxed.

And I think the ICU cases are all immunocompromised or very elderly. I think.

You are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with covid if you are un-vaxxed. Those are facts.


And no, vaccinations don't cause the virus to do better or mutate or whatever the current anti-vaxxer conspiracy is.

Debunking the myth that vaccination promotes mutations. Being fully vaccinated actually suppresses them https://t.co/1eD70PpUwr pic.twitter.com/glgiZJ8kXL

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) August 10, 2021

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Would like to know what others have to say about what Berenson is reporting regarding Israel and how the vaccines "have failed" given that 60% of the current COVID hospitalization cases are fully vaccinated.

I am also particularly interested in hearing what others think about his statement that there is a paper out of Britain that indicates there might be a risk that the mRNA vaccines actually are facilitating COVID infection.

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i think this perfectly illustrates the dangers of trying to extrapolate data from a study in order to draw conclusions on things the study wasn't specifically designed to investigate. as an example here's a quick look at how the vaccine "failed" in israel (this is straight from the most recent Israel study). For reference, in fall of last year, based on serology data, their true case/confirmed case ration was >4

PJYoung said:

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If 100% of a country is fully vaccinated then 100% of their covid hospitalizations will be fully vaccinated.

What we see in Texas is like 92% of admissions are un-vaxxed, 4% in the ICU are vaxxed, 3% on vents are vaxxed.

And I think the ICU cases are all immunocompromised or very elderly. I think.

You are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with covid if you are un-vaxxed. Those are facts.


And no, vaccinations don't cause the virus to do better or mutate or whatever the current anti-vaxxer conspiracy is.

Debunking the myth that vaccination promotes mutations. Being fully vaccinated actually suppresses them https://t.co/1eD70PpUwr pic.twitter.com/glgiZJ8kXL

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) August 10, 2021

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End of thread.

Alex Berenson = Samurai texan?

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I think he's overstated his case at times (though I think he's been more right than wrong over the course of the pandemic), and has generally been a massive jerk about it. There are plenty of people on twitter making the same points as him in a more nuanced way that aren't getting banned. I think banning him is wrong still, but he basically has been daring twitter to do it for a while now.

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The person happiest about Alex Berenson being banned from Twitter is Alex Berenson.

Seeing the decline of Clay Travis has been depressing. Was once a very entertaining sports writer, and he has now gone so far down the covid conspiracy anti-vaxx rabbit hole. He's denied covid since the second it hit the news and last year said it would be gone by end of summer (among many other falsehoods). He's basically a sportsy Alex Jones at this point.

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Seeing the decline of Clay Travis has been depressing. Was once a very entertaining sports writer, and he has now gone so far down the covid conspiracy anti-vaxx rabbit hole. He's denied covid since the second it hit the news and last year said it would be gone by end of summer (among many other falsehoods). He's basically a sportsy Alex Jones at this point.

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Ha. If anything Clay has been open minded and truth seeking, and has helped to shine a line on the insanity. Like many of us, he is for truth and does not know where to find it because of information needing to fit certain narratives. He advocates for the vaccine, recommends both his parents get it (in their 60s), etc. Wanting to evaluate other perspectives, especially when there is such a push to group think poles, is not indicative of being red pilled by the extreme. Guy voted for Obama twice and then Gary Johnson before last year.

larry culpepper said:

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Seeing the decline of Clay Travis has been depressing. Was once a very entertaining sports writer, and he has now gone so far down the covid conspiracy anti-vaxx rabbit hole. He's denied covid since the second it hit the news and last year said it would be gone by end of summer (among many other falsehoods). He's basically a sportsy Alex Jones at this point.

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Already pointed out but it bears repeating that this is almost completely incorrect.

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larry culpepper said:

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Seeing the decline of Clay Travis has been depressing. Was once a very entertaining sports writer, and he has now gone so far down the covid conspiracy anti-vaxx rabbit hole. He's denied covid since the second it hit the news and last year said it would be gone by end of summer (among many other falsehoods). He's basically a sportsy Alex Jones at this point.

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Ha. If anything Clay has been open minded and truth seeking, and has helped to shine a line on the insanity. Like many of us, he is for truth and does not know where to find it because of information needing to fit certain narratives. He advocates for the vaccine, recommends both his parents get it (in their 60s), etc. Wanting to evaluate other perspectives, especially when there is such a push to group think poles, is not indicative of being red pilled by the extreme. Guy voted for Obama twice and then Gary Johnson before last year.

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I really dont care who he voted for in the past. He's a major grifter whose audience is Trump supporters who like football. He has been wrong on almost everything he's said about covid and has peddled all of the ridiculous misinformation talking points since March 2020.

It's one thing to disagree with people on covid policy, it's another to be in a constant state of denial about things. I'm pretty sure he's never so much as admitted that covid is a serious problem.

And now he has an anti-vaxxer on his show to make a bunch of misleading claims and further push demonstrably false anti-vax views among his listeners (not that they werent already, just look at the comments on the youtube video). I've got more than a few issues with him.

These Israel studies need to stop being used on this board. They had something like 500 hospitalizations as of a week ago out of 10 million people of which about 260 were vaccinated.

I should clarify. They need to stop being used to promote vaccination fear. The data in Israel proves a successful vaccine.

Here is something. It actually doesn't have Texas data but does for many other states. I've spoken with several physicians in the state in various hospitals amd they all confirm that 95% plus in Covid units are unvaccinated.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/

The Atlantic did a pretty thorough profile of Alex Berenson. Interesting read.

The Pandemic's Wrongest Man In a crowded field of wrongness, one person stands out: Alex Berenson.

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The vaccines have inspired his most troubling comments. For the past few weeks on Twitter, Berenson has mischaracterized just about every detail regarding the vaccines to make the dubious case that most people would be better off avoiding them. As his conspiratorial nonsense accelerates toward the pandemic's finish line, he has proved himself the Secretariat of being wrong:

• He has blamed the vaccines for causing spikes in severe illness, by pointing to data that actually demonstrate their safety and effectiveness.
• He has blamed the vaccines for suppressing our immune systems, by misrepresenting normal immune-system behavior.
• He has suggested that countries such as Israel have suffered from their early vaccine rollout, even though deaths and hospitalizations among vaccinated groups in Israel have plummeted.
• He has implied that for most non-seniors, the side effects of the vaccines are worse than having COVID-19 itselfeven though, according to the CDC, the pandemic has killed tens of thousands of people under 50 and the vaccines have not conclusively killed anybody.

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Berenson's claim: In Israel, the shots are causing a scary number of deaths and hospitalizations.

The reality: Israel is a sensational vaccine success story: a nearly open economy where COVID-19 rates are plunging. See for yourself!

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On February 11, Berenson warned his followers that early data from Israel proved that vaccine advocates "need to start ratcheting down expectations." This was a strange claim to make at the time: An Israeli health-care provider had reported no deaths and four severe cases among its first 523,000 fully vaccinated people. But the claim seems even more ridiculous now, in light of Israel's incredible success since then. New positive cases in Israel are down roughly 95 percent since January. Deaths have plunged, even though the economy is almost fully open.

When I asked Berenson to explain his beef with Israel's vaccine record, he sent a link to a news story in Hebrew that, he said, reported "several hundred deaths and hospitalizations and thousands of infections in people who have received both doses." I can't read Hebrew, so I reached out to someone who can, Eran Segal, a computational biologist at the Weizmann Institute of Science, in Rehovot, Israel. He replied by email: "This link actually shows that the vast majority of those who died were NOT vaccinated." By Segal's calculations, the vaccines have reduced the risk of death by more than 90 percent in the Israeli population. Segal also said that "numbers of infections only went down, and even more so among the age groups who were first to vaccinate."

Berenson is wrong about all sorts of little things when it comes to Israel, but I want to emphasize how straightforward and obvious the big picture is here. Israel is a world leader in vaccinations. Its COVID-19 cases have plunged, and its economy is roaring back to life.

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Texas has 57,000 covid deaths so far.

Israel has 7,000

Texas population is 29 million. Israel is over 9 million.

The per capita death rates are not similar.

Agree that Clay is a major grifter. He doesn't believe the majority of the stuff that he says. He's like Hannity for sports fans.

The funny thing about Clay Travis is if he tweeted something bad about A&M's football team tomorrow half the people who agree with him on COVID would do a 180.

He's a guy that used to shill for third-rate online sportsbooks. He gained an audience by pandering to a specific college football demographic, then found he could gain 100x the audience (and $$$) by pandering to a political demographic. Some of his tweets early in the pandemic were downright embarrassing how wrong they ended up being. As another poster said, he's a guy that doesn't believe half the **** he writes but he knows what gets likes/clicks.

As for Berenson -- obviously a super smart guy but cherry-picks the data he wants and frames it in such a way that he lost all semblance of being truthful a long time ago. Any interview with him you hear is like a loop of "I'm not a doctor, but..." and "I'm not a scientist, but...". His data on mask usage seems to be accurate and I don't fault him for dying on that hill, but the rest of the data he pushes is suspect in that he claims it comes from a base of "skepticism" when it's obviously coming from a base of "I need to find data that supports what I already believe".