FratboyLegend said:Then you are bad at math.Salute The Marines said:
Pfizer every day of the week and twice on Saturday.
I still have risk with the other option. With Pfizer I have virtually none at all. Especially since I'm already not fat.
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I still have risk with the other option. With Pfizer I have virtually none at all. Especially since I'm already not fat.
FratboyLegend said:Assume:AustinAg2K said:FratboyLegend said:I have lost over 50 lbs during covid. BMI went from 37 --> 29. Hypertension gone and off meds. Age 50.Wakesurfer817 said:
Over 40 and overweight/mildly obese is a whole lot of folks in this country. Many of whom work out and eat pretty well. I'd be curious to see how many of the "just get in shape" folks are over 40 on this board.
Just wait you young whippersnappers. When you can only throw 1200-1500 calories a day down your pie hole before you put pounds on, we'll see how well you "just take a few pounds off."
Unvaccinated.
Pound sand.
First off, great job of losing weight and getting healthier. However, I think you just proved the other poster's point. If you got covid and died today you would still be considered overweight due to your 29 bmi.
You have an A1C over 8.0
You have a BMI over 35
Your BP is 145/90 on meds
There are two needles in front of you. Both contain a new type of therapy. One is the Pfizer Coronavirus Vaccine. The other is a magic sauce reduces all those numbers to my levels.
Which needle do you pick up first? Which needle do you pick if you could only choose one?
If you said Pfizer you're a liar.
Why do you have to choose one? Why not both?
Also, the point I was making was that people on here love to just say, "Oh, well that person who died had a comorbidity, so they don't count." Nearly everyone in America has something. At a 29 BMI, you've still got a comorbidity.
That said, losing weight is important for a million different reasons, even before covid. It's definitely something the 70% of overweight Americans should be trying to do. It is a bigger deal to the covid fight than the shot... However, no one is saying you can only choose one.
No one is able to come back from the dead and tell us their regrets.
Hence every post-covid message is from a survivor.
Remember that, those of you who are high risk and choosing not be vaccinated.
Hence every post-covid message is from a survivor.
Remember that, those of you who are high risk and choosing not be vaccinated.
You overlooked the assumptions my friend.Salute The Marines said:FratboyLegend said:Then you are bad at math.Salute The Marines said:
Pfizer every day of the week and twice on Saturday.
I still have risk with the other option. With Pfizer I have virtually none at all. Especially since I'm already not fat.
#CertifiedSIP
Congrats! Let me know how getting your BMI from 29 to 25 goes. Brutal for me.FratboyLegend said:I have lost over 50 lbs during covid. BMI went from 37 --> 29. Hypertension gone and off meds. Age 50.Wakesurfer817 said:
Over 40 and overweight/mildly obese is a whole lot of folks in this country. Many of whom work out and eat pretty well. I'd be curious to see how many of the "just get in shape" folks are over 40 on this board.
Just wait you young whippersnappers. When you can only throw 1200-1500 calories a day down your pie hole before you put pounds on, we'll see how well you "just take a few pounds off."
Unvaccinated.
Pound sand.
You don't have to choose one.AustinAg2K said:FratboyLegend said:Assume:AustinAg2K said:FratboyLegend said:I have lost over 50 lbs during covid. BMI went from 37 --> 29. Hypertension gone and off meds. Age 50.Wakesurfer817 said:
Over 40 and overweight/mildly obese is a whole lot of folks in this country. Many of whom work out and eat pretty well. I'd be curious to see how many of the "just get in shape" folks are over 40 on this board.
Just wait you young whippersnappers. When you can only throw 1200-1500 calories a day down your pie hole before you put pounds on, we'll see how well you "just take a few pounds off."
Unvaccinated.
Pound sand.
First off, great job of losing weight and getting healthier. However, I think you just proved the other poster's point. If you got covid and died today you would still be considered overweight due to your 29 bmi.
You have an A1C over 8.0
You have a BMI over 35
Your BP is 145/90 on meds
There are two needles in front of you. Both contain a new type of therapy. One is the Pfizer Coronavirus Vaccine. The other is a magic sauce reduces all those numbers to my levels.
Which needle do you pick up first? Which needle do you pick if you could only choose one?
If you said Pfizer you're a liar.
Why do you have to choose one? Why not both?
Also, the point I was making was that people on here love to just say, "Oh, well that person who died had a comorbidity, so they don't count." Nearly everyone in America has something. At a 29 BMI, you've still got a comorbidity.
That said, losing weight is important for a million different reasons, even before covid. It's definitely something the 70% of overweight Americans should be trying to do. It is a bigger deal to the covid fight than the shot... However, no one is saying you can only choose one.
The point is what you said above in bold, that the magic needle in my hypothetical is FAR more important than the Pfizer one.
#CertifiedSIP
Thanks. Not planning on going that low. Want to stay above 200lbs. It certainly does slow down, though.Wakesurfer817 said:Congrats! Let me know how getting your BMI from 29 to 25 goes. Brutal for me.FratboyLegend said:I have lost over 50 lbs during covid. BMI went from 37 --> 29. Hypertension gone and off meds. Age 50.Wakesurfer817 said:
Over 40 and overweight/mildly obese is a whole lot of folks in this country. Many of whom work out and eat pretty well. I'd be curious to see how many of the "just get in shape" folks are over 40 on this board.
Just wait you young whippersnappers. When you can only throw 1200-1500 calories a day down your pie hole before you put pounds on, we'll see how well you "just take a few pounds off."
Unvaccinated.
Pound sand.
#CertifiedSIP
How long has my BMI been over 35 and my BP been at 145/90 on meds? How long have I been on meds? If it's been years for both, will the magic sauce instantly take my circulatory system to pre-HTN condition?FratboyLegend said:Assume:AustinAg2K said:FratboyLegend said:I have lost over 50 lbs during covid. BMI went from 37 --> 29. Hypertension gone and off meds. Age 50.Wakesurfer817 said:
Over 40 and overweight/mildly obese is a whole lot of folks in this country. Many of whom work out and eat pretty well. I'd be curious to see how many of the "just get in shape" folks are over 40 on this board.
Just wait you young whippersnappers. When you can only throw 1200-1500 calories a day down your pie hole before you put pounds on, we'll see how well you "just take a few pounds off."
Unvaccinated.
Pound sand.
First off, great job of losing weight and getting healthier. However, I think you just proved the other poster's point. If you got covid and died today you would still be considered overweight due to your 29 bmi.
You have an A1C over 8.0
You have a BMI over 35
Your BP is 145/90 on meds
There are two needles in front of you. Both contain a new type of therapy. One is the Pfizer Coronavirus Vaccine. The other is a magic sauce reduces all those numbers to my levels.
Which needle do you pick up first? Which needle do you pick if you could only choose one?
If you said Pfizer you're a liar.
You aren't kidding. 25 sounds good, but at 50+ I think I can get there, but not sure how sustainable it really is. The people that make this stuff up are evil.FratboyLegend said:Thanks. Not planning on going that low. Want to stay above 200lbs. It certainly does slow down, though.Wakesurfer817 said:Congrats! Let me know how getting your BMI from 29 to 25 goes. Brutal for me.FratboyLegend said:I have lost over 50 lbs during covid. BMI went from 37 --> 29. Hypertension gone and off meds. Age 50.Wakesurfer817 said:
Over 40 and overweight/mildly obese is a whole lot of folks in this country. Many of whom work out and eat pretty well. I'd be curious to see how many of the "just get in shape" folks are over 40 on this board.
Just wait you young whippersnappers. When you can only throw 1200-1500 calories a day down your pie hole before you put pounds on, we'll see how well you "just take a few pounds off."
Unvaccinated.
Pound sand.
FratboyLegend said:You don't have to choose one.AustinAg2K said:FratboyLegend said:Assume:AustinAg2K said:FratboyLegend said:I have lost over 50 lbs during covid. BMI went from 37 --> 29. Hypertension gone and off meds. Age 50.Wakesurfer817 said:
Over 40 and overweight/mildly obese is a whole lot of folks in this country. Many of whom work out and eat pretty well. I'd be curious to see how many of the "just get in shape" folks are over 40 on this board.
Just wait you young whippersnappers. When you can only throw 1200-1500 calories a day down your pie hole before you put pounds on, we'll see how well you "just take a few pounds off."
Unvaccinated.
Pound sand.
First off, great job of losing weight and getting healthier. However, I think you just proved the other poster's point. If you got covid and died today you would still be considered overweight due to your 29 bmi.
You have an A1C over 8.0
You have a BMI over 35
Your BP is 145/90 on meds
There are two needles in front of you. Both contain a new type of therapy. One is the Pfizer Coronavirus Vaccine. The other is a magic sauce reduces all those numbers to my levels.
Which needle do you pick up first? Which needle do you pick if you could only choose one?
If you said Pfizer you're a liar.
Why do you have to choose one? Why not both?
Also, the point I was making was that people on here love to just say, "Oh, well that person who died had a comorbidity, so they don't count." Nearly everyone in America has something. At a 29 BMI, you've still got a comorbidity.
That said, losing weight is important for a million different reasons, even before covid. It's definitely something the 70% of overweight Americans should be trying to do. It is a bigger deal to the covid fight than the shot... However, no one is saying you can only choose one.
The point is what you said above in bold, that the magic needle in my hypothetical is FAR more important than the Pfizer one.
Your hypothetical doesn't even exist, so it's not even a fair question. You might as well have said the magic needle makes you immune from everything. It is also entirely unrelated to the point being made. The point was that losing weight is difficult. There is no magic needle to lose weight. Your original reply proves that point. People here love to say, "Every one should just lose weight and be healthy" as if there is a magic needle.
GLP-1 agonists are about as close to a magic needle as we can get right now.AustinAg2K said:
Your hypothetical doesn't even exist, so it's not even a fair question. You might as well have said the magic needle makes you immune from everything. It is also entirely unrelated to the point being made. The point was that losing weight is difficult. There is no magic needle to lose weight. Your original reply proves that point. People here love to say, "Every one should just lose weight and be healthy" as if there is a magic needle.
Sure it exists. Just change "magic needle" to "eat right and exercise". The hypothetical was to illustrate the point being made earlier in this thread, that overall health improvement (societally) is the larger problem here. And you have clearly agreed.AustinAg2K said:FratboyLegend said:You don't have to choose one.AustinAg2K said:FratboyLegend said:Assume:AustinAg2K said:FratboyLegend said:I have lost over 50 lbs during covid. BMI went from 37 --> 29. Hypertension gone and off meds. Age 50.Wakesurfer817 said:
Over 40 and overweight/mildly obese is a whole lot of folks in this country. Many of whom work out and eat pretty well. I'd be curious to see how many of the "just get in shape" folks are over 40 on this board.
Just wait you young whippersnappers. When you can only throw 1200-1500 calories a day down your pie hole before you put pounds on, we'll see how well you "just take a few pounds off."
Unvaccinated.
Pound sand.
First off, great job of losing weight and getting healthier. However, I think you just proved the other poster's point. If you got covid and died today you would still be considered overweight due to your 29 bmi.
You have an A1C over 8.0
You have a BMI over 35
Your BP is 145/90 on meds
There are two needles in front of you. Both contain a new type of therapy. One is the Pfizer Coronavirus Vaccine. The other is a magic sauce reduces all those numbers to my levels.
Which needle do you pick up first? Which needle do you pick if you could only choose one?
If you said Pfizer you're a liar.
Why do you have to choose one? Why not both?
Also, the point I was making was that people on here love to just say, "Oh, well that person who died had a comorbidity, so they don't count." Nearly everyone in America has something. At a 29 BMI, you've still got a comorbidity.
That said, losing weight is important for a million different reasons, even before covid. It's definitely something the 70% of overweight Americans should be trying to do. It is a bigger deal to the covid fight than the shot... However, no one is saying you can only choose one.
The point is what you said above in bold, that the magic needle in my hypothetical is FAR more important than the Pfizer one.
Your hypothetical doesn't even exist, so it's not even a fair question. You might as well have said the magic needle makes you immune from everything. It is also entirely unrelated to the point being made. The point was that losing weight is difficult. There is no magic needle to lose weight. Your original reply proves that point. People here love to say, "Every one should just lose weight and be healthy" as if there is a magic needle.
Whether or not to get the covid vaccine is a wholly separate decision. I would argue (and win) that I have less all-cause risk today than I did a year ago, even without the vaccine. And I bet every MD on this board would agree with that.
#CertifiedSIP
No, they wouldn't. You're healthier for sure, but without a doubt old you with a vaccine would be safer. This is the thinking that has people filling hospitals.FratboyLegend said:Sure it exists. Just change "magic needle" to "eat right and exercise". The hypothetical was to illustrate the point being made earlier in this thread, that overall health improvement (societally) is the larger problem here. And you have clearly agreed.AustinAg2K said:FratboyLegend said:You don't have to choose one.AustinAg2K said:FratboyLegend said:Assume:AustinAg2K said:FratboyLegend said:I have lost over 50 lbs during covid. BMI went from 37 --> 29. Hypertension gone and off meds. Age 50.Wakesurfer817 said:
Over 40 and overweight/mildly obese is a whole lot of folks in this country. Many of whom work out and eat pretty well. I'd be curious to see how many of the "just get in shape" folks are over 40 on this board.
Just wait you young whippersnappers. When you can only throw 1200-1500 calories a day down your pie hole before you put pounds on, we'll see how well you "just take a few pounds off."
Unvaccinated.
Pound sand.
First off, great job of losing weight and getting healthier. However, I think you just proved the other poster's point. If you got covid and died today you would still be considered overweight due to your 29 bmi.
You have an A1C over 8.0
You have a BMI over 35
Your BP is 145/90 on meds
There are two needles in front of you. Both contain a new type of therapy. One is the Pfizer Coronavirus Vaccine. The other is a magic sauce reduces all those numbers to my levels.
Which needle do you pick up first? Which needle do you pick if you could only choose one?
If you said Pfizer you're a liar.
Why do you have to choose one? Why not both?
Also, the point I was making was that people on here love to just say, "Oh, well that person who died had a comorbidity, so they don't count." Nearly everyone in America has something. At a 29 BMI, you've still got a comorbidity.
That said, losing weight is important for a million different reasons, even before covid. It's definitely something the 70% of overweight Americans should be trying to do. It is a bigger deal to the covid fight than the shot... However, no one is saying you can only choose one.
The point is what you said above in bold, that the magic needle in my hypothetical is FAR more important than the Pfizer one.
Your hypothetical doesn't even exist, so it's not even a fair question. You might as well have said the magic needle makes you immune from everything. It is also entirely unrelated to the point being made. The point was that losing weight is difficult. There is no magic needle to lose weight. Your original reply proves that point. People here love to say, "Every one should just lose weight and be healthy" as if there is a magic needle.
Whether or not to get the covid vaccine is a wholly separate decision. I would argue (and win) that I have less all-cause risk today than I did a year ago, even without the vaccine. And I bet every MD on this board would agree with that.
There's a wide variance in what people consider "in-shape." I ride my bike 6,000 miles per year. Am I "in shape"? Some people feel like if they can walk two flights of stairs they are in-shape.
Everyone that chokes to death on a pretzel wishes they never ate pretzels.shiftyandquick said:
No one is able to come back from the dead and tell us their regrets.
Hence every post-covid message is from a survivor.
Remember that, those of you who are high risk and choosing not be vaccinated.
Silly comment.
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Salute The Marines said:tomtomdrumdrum said:
Ok maybe you weren't deflecting, but people who want us to stop encouraging the vaccine hesitant make that same argument.
Being overweight and not being vaccinated are not equal failures of personal responsibility. Losing weight is MUCH harder to do than going to get vaccinated. So there is a yes, both, but let's not give unvaccinated people an opportunity to point at others and say "it's their fault" when they have the option to help with so much less effort.
I think if this were month 1 I'd agree. But we are 18 months into this and our lives are still being affected by people that refuse to take responsibility for their health and put burdens on hospitals.
It is not just fat people going to the hospital but it just unvaccinated people going.
t - cam said:Salute The Marines said:tomtomdrumdrum said:
Ok maybe you weren't deflecting, but people who want us to stop encouraging the vaccine hesitant make that same argument.
Being overweight and not being vaccinated are not equal failures of personal responsibility. Losing weight is MUCH harder to do than going to get vaccinated. So there is a yes, both, but let's not give unvaccinated people an opportunity to point at others and say "it's their fault" when they have the option to help with so much less effort.
I think if this were month 1 I'd agree. But we are 18 months into this and our lives are still being affected by people that refuse to take responsibility for their health and put burdens on hospitals.
It is not just fat people going to the hospital but it just unvaccinated people going.
It is almost all fat people going to the hospital. That's been statistically proven. I'm pro vax but let's not turn a blind eye to the data about who this overwhelmingly affects. And yes, some vaccinated are indeed going to the hospital per docs on this board.
tomtomdrumdrum said:
Ok, so it's nonsense underneath the surface too.
I don't ask that people get vaccinated so that I can feel powerful. I do it because I believe, or at least hope, that every reassuring voice helps in the fight to get more people vaccinated. And the more people that are vaccinated, the less death and sickness we have, and the less strain we will put on hospitals.
We should also be asking the same for our obese citizens as well? The more people that lose 20-50 pounds the less strain we would put on the entire healthcare industry. And losing weight can, over the long run, cost much less than even a "free" vaccine.
AustinAg2K said:FratboyLegend said:I have lost over 50 lbs during covid. BMI went from 37 --> 29. Hypertension gone and off meds. Age 50.Wakesurfer817 said:
Over 40 and overweight/mildly obese is a whole lot of folks in this country. Many of whom work out and eat pretty well. I'd be curious to see how many of the "just get in shape" folks are over 40 on this board.
Just wait you young whippersnappers. When you can only throw 1200-1500 calories a day down your pie hole before you put pounds on, we'll see how well you "just take a few pounds off."
Unvaccinated.
Pound sand.
First off, great job of losing weight and getting healthier. However, I think you just proved the other poster's point. If you got covid and died today you would still be considered overweight due to your 29 bmi.
Overweight, not obese. Most people with severe problems from covid have a BMI well above 35. There is a significant difference between secondary effects of a 29 BMI on a person and living with a 38-40 BMI for decades.
I'm referring to people that use anecdotal evidence to inform their views on these topics. You don't get anecdotes from people who are dead. Thus there is a survivor bias in the anecdotes. I guess you don't get this. A lot of people don't, and won't. And their stories won't be told either if they die.waitwhat? said:Everyone that chokes to death on a pretzel wishes they never ate pretzels.shiftyandquick said:
No one is able to come back from the dead and tell us their regrets.
Hence every post-covid message is from a survivor.
Remember that, those of you who are high risk and choosing not be vaccinated.
Silly comment.
People using anecdotes to inform their opinions are already playing from behind
Would be a shame to contract covid and die and not get to enjoy your new body. It doesn't have to be either/or. Both is best.FratboyLegend said:I have lost over 50 lbs during covid. BMI went from 37 --> 29. Hypertension gone and off meds. Age 50.Wakesurfer817 said:
Over 40 and overweight/mildly obese is a whole lot of folks in this country. Many of whom work out and eat pretty well. I'd be curious to see how many of the "just get in shape" folks are over 40 on this board.
Just wait you young whippersnappers. When you can only throw 1200-1500 calories a day down your pie hole before you put pounds on, we'll see how well you "just take a few pounds off."
Unvaccinated.
Pound sand.
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