The Big12Ag said:

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Guy asked for personal opinions and I gave mine. Sorry you are so angry.

How does me personally thinking vaccines/social distancing is a good idea, mean I support "authoritarian restrictions". You 16chan types see bogeymen everywhere.

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I bet no one has more posts on this board than GAC06, he's the most active poster on Covid. Despite that, I bet he has never actually started a thread on the board. He's what you would call a contrarian reactor, no matter what the general gist of a long reply might be he'll pick out a couple of minor points and react strongly to those and derail things. He's done it to the overly Covid worried and the overly Covid dismissive, mostly the former, but he's been contrarian to both.

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Good to know I have fans. Flagged for trolling

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If we start saying we have limited beds and a triage situation to decide who receives treatment due to their personal health choices, who do you turn away? The smoker, the obese person, someone with HIV, or the unvaccinated?

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If you want to argue with a doctor that these are four equivalent preexisting conditions, I don't think you're going to win any sympathy for the one that can be addressed with a free vaccine. It's a lot harder to lose weight or stop smoking than it is to go to Walgreens and ask for a shot. And I'm not sure what argument you're trying to make against treating people with HIV.

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HIV, like smoking and overeating, is almost always contracted via irresponsibility and poor choices.

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At this point isnt catching covid is essentially a result of irresponsibility and poor choices?

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Not getting a free, effective vaccine is irresponsible and a poor choice.

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Vaccination status seems to have little effect on whether or not someone catches COVID at this point.

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Not exactly. Covid is the symptomatic disease and the vaccines have shown to prevent that. You hare thinking of infection with SARS-COV-2 which is still possible with vaccination, though the viral load duration is significantly lower with vaccination resulting in less spread.

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Vaccinated.

Still got Covid. Still got sick. Still was requested to quarantine the same duration as anyone else.

If what you say about vaccines and transmissions were true why do you still have to quarantine? You should be allowed to just continue on your business.

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In fairness, it's because spread is still high, resulting in still too many severe cases for public health's likings. Plus after 18 months of this, healthcare is burnt out exacerbating that stress. If vaccination rates increased another 15-20%, and severe cases were reduced to the point of not concerning the hospitals, I doubt vaccinated people would be required to continue to do this.

FWIW, I agree with you that we should be treating this 100% like the flu at this point for vaccinated people. And in reality, the vast majority of people who don't have a severe disease. But I digress.

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If we start saying we have limited beds and a triage situation to decide who receives treatment due to their personal health choices, who do you turn away? The smoker, the obese person, someone with HIV, or the unvaccinated?

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As long as the answer is the unvaxxed then I'm good with the OP calling goal accomplished and ending the whole thing. The ICU/hospital system capacity was built to handle the smoker, the obese and HIV positive. The system was not built to handle the current surge of unvaxxed.

Also, we do not have many medical professionals quitting and angry over the smoker/obese/HIV person. It may not be fair but medical professionals are willing to care for those folks.

The problem is the unvaxxed are driving down my potential personal access to ICU services (if needed). Back to the OP, the goal for me is that to no longer be true then goal accomplished. We either deny ICU access to the unvaxxed or we build ICU capacity (mostly a staffing issue) to handle the unvaxxed.

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lol is this sarcasm

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Maybe a little but with all of the available ways to not get infected (masks, social distancing, isolation, etc) plus access to the vaccine if you get sick at this point, you kinda did it to yourself.

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lol

if you don't hide in your house forever, you've done it to yourself

all the while having people (who are doing it to themselves) provide you goods and services

everyone is going to get this disease. you get vaccinated, it's not a big deal.

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Completely agree and this has been the case for maybe a year now. More to the OP, What is the goal? There is no goal because the most proper solution ("hide in your house forever") is untenable. Every other option is a half measure and for 98+% of us, neither infection nor sickness is going to be an issue. (Our cultural and political response however....) Ultimately we have to take personal responsibility and accept risks for ourselves and the risks imposed on us by others.

Are medical professionals quitting? Or are they quitting their current jobs to be a travel employee and make multiples of their current salary? I know many nurses that are thrilled to be able to quit their current hospital, travel and make the vast sums of money they are currently making.

In fact many of our rural nurses are working in Houston making a fortune. And the local hospitals have hired out of state folks to fill those roles.

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Remember:

Anonymous username on the internet who claims to care about his fellow man...really doesn't. There is a 99% chance he/she/shim/xim/xer is simply virtue signaling and hoping to get blue stars or likes.

Some people are terrified of the virus, and are mad that you are not terrified of the virus. They know it isn't normal to be this afraid, but the TV box and phone tell them to be afraid, so they are afraid. Then they get mad that you're not as afraid and gullible as they are. The best way for them to cope with their unnatural fear is to screech at you about masks and caring about their fellow man (which we know they don't care about).

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Remember:

Anonymous username on the internet who claims to care about his fellow man...really doesn't. There is a 99% chance he/she/shim/xim/xer is simply virtue signaling and hoping to get blue stars or likes.

Some people are terrified of the virus, and are mad that you are not terrified of the virus. They know it isn't normal to be this afraid, but the TV box and phone tell them to be afraid, so they are afraid. Then they get mad that you're not as afraid and gullible as they are. The best way for them to cope with their unnatural fear is to screech at you about masks and caring about their fellow man (which we know they don't care about).

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Actions speak louder than words...and speak WAY louder than anonymous internet posts. I see tons of virtue signaling and posts that attempt to tug at heart strings about helping/saving your fellow man...but I see next to zero actions. I see people with signs in the yards of their 4k sq ft McMansion, saying 'I believe in science, no person is illegal, climate change is real, then I see them drive away in their $75k escalade or suburban.

Going off topic...

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Actions speak louder than words...and speak WAY louder than anonymous internet posts. I see tons of virtue signaling and posts that attempt to tug at heart strings about helping/saving your fellow man...but I see next to zero actions. I see people with signs in the yards of their 4k sq ft McMansion, saying 'I believe in science, no person is illegal, climate change is real, then I see them drive away in their $75k escalade or suburban.

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Well . . . I always think people should be careful in making sweeping generalizations based on their own limited worldview.

I have seen lots of folks, as soon as they were officially and completely vaccinated, volunteer at the Dallas County drivethrough vaccination lines. I have seen them volunteer at Emergency Rooms and go door to door as part of community outreach programs.. There are lots of people out there that I know that put money where their mouth was regarding COVID.

If one has had covid, and/or takes care of his/her health, then jamming foreign s*** into one's body just because it's 'free and effective' could actually turn out to be unnecessary or even stupid af. The goal is to not be a viable substrate for clinical infection/viral replication. The vax is purported to help with this for a bit, and then you need to re-up. What will the collateral damage of this be? Is this ultimately going to tax the innate immune system and render you more susceptible to illnesses than before? Will you have antibody dependent enhancement with a future pathogen? Just because you don't drop dead immediately, will there be longterm inflammation that manifests later? No one knows at this point, so it is absolutely not irresponsible to abstain.