Jabin said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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There are over 200 million Americans who are vaccinated, and daily cases right now are 300% higher than they were a year ago when there were ZERO people vaccinated. Fauci and the lockdowners don't even attempt to explain this. Ask why.

— Buck Sexton (@BuckSexton) September 9, 2021

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That guy is either really stupid or is being purposefully deceptive.

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Explain.

Jabin said:

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Why did he pick 1 year ago as his comparison date? Why not 8 months ago? His percentages don't look nearly so compelling with that date.

Anyone can prove anything they want if they cherry pick the data.

And folks are explaining the current surge - it's largely due to Delta and the unvaccinated.

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Because he can't blame Trump of you start at his presidency and see how awful it's gotten.

user name checks out, lol

Thanks for posting. This is a great deep dive into the datasets.

"The University of Pennsylvania biostatistician Jeffrey Morris wrote an especially thorough and widely shared blog post making this point although the post was not shared nearly as widely as the worry that vaccines aren't helping you stay out of the intensive care unit."

Jeff Morris is a great Ag and represents our university well.

CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Jabin said:

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Why did he pick 1 year ago as his comparison date? Why not 8 months ago? His percentages don't look nearly so compelling with that date.

Anyone can prove anything they want if they cherry pick the data.

And folks are explaining the current surge - it's largely due to Delta and the unvaccinated.

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Their only purpose is to earn cash by presenting clickbait. And it's working so no incentive for him to stop.

Anti vaxxers getting severely sick and prolonging the pandemic blaming the government for prolonging the pandemic. Dumb beyond words.

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The pandemic is prolonged because the virus hasn't slowed down. It is still burning through vaccinated and unvaccinated people. I'd say people who fail to see and acknowledge that is the case are dumb beyond words.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iceland/

https://www.icelandreview.com/ask-ir/whats-the-status-of-covid-19-vaccination-in-iceland/

As of Aug 16th, 69% of Iceland's total population has been fully vaccinated. In early august, they had most cases since the beginning of the pandemic. Currently only 1% of cases are serious (7 people).

Why 85-90%? What if the vaccine isn't as effective as thought and the virus has become less deadly and more contagious? Both can be true.

Capitol Ag said:

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03_Aggie said:

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Jabin said:

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Why did he pick 1 year ago as his comparison date? Why not 8 months ago? His percentages don't look nearly so compelling with that date.

Anyone can prove anything they want if they cherry pick the data.

And folks are explaining the current surge - it's largely due to Delta and the unvaccinated.

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Their only purpose is to earn cash by presenting clickbait. And it's working so no incentive for him to stop.

Anti vaxxers getting severely sick and prolonging the pandemic blaming the government for prolonging the pandemic. Dumb beyond words.

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The pandemic is prolonged because the virus hasn't slowed down. It is still burning through vaccinated and unvaccinated people. I'd say people who fail to see and acknowledge that is the case are dumb beyond words.

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On this point, it's the unvaccinated that are crowding ICUs, not the vaccinated. It is burning through the vaccinated but with little to no real serious affect. I'd argue, and you as well, if we had been 85-90% vaccinated in the early summer, hospitals would have been precovid levels and this "surge" would have been much less of a story. As in not a story at all.

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That's true and if your line in the sand of "pandemic" is hospitalizations then you'd be correct. But then don't be surprised when others move the line to deaths.

The virus is the cause of it all and the potential to mutate and circumvent current vaccines was very much one of the talking points for pushing the vaccine "protect yourself and others and stop the spread…do it now before a variant is produced that will not be covered by the vaccine".

In their studies the vaccines performed well against the strain at the time (alpha?) but has not performed as well against delta. Is it keeping people from hospitals? Yes. Is it working well enough to stop transmission to a level of stopping future mutations? Not so sure, doesn't appear to be the case.

92Ag95 said:

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Sure seems like an awful lot of convenient stories of anti-maskers and anti-vaxers contracting COVID and dying.

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Lol masks.

And my parents have two friends in their mid 60's who have had rough cases, fully vaxxed. One had severe pneumonia and was in ICU for a while and in hospital for weeks and barely made it and physically looks like he'll never be the same. I think the vaccinations are great for most, but if I know two vaxxed people who have had severe cases on the last few weeks, it makes me question the numbers and overall narrative.

But masks? LOL

92Ag95 said:

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Sure seems like an awful lot of convenient stories of anti-maskers and anti-vaxers contracting COVID and dying.

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I'm not anti mask, I'm pro face, and we were here first.

texan12 said:

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Why 85-90%? What if the vaccine isn't as effective as thought and the virus has become less deadly and more contagious? Both can be true.

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It will become more contagious and less deadly. I'm on your side with this....

03_Aggie said:

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Capitol Ag said:

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03_Aggie said:

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Jabin said:

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Why did he pick 1 year ago as his comparison date? Why not 8 months ago? His percentages don't look nearly so compelling with that date.

Anyone can prove anything they want if they cherry pick the data.

And folks are explaining the current surge - it's largely due to Delta and the unvaccinated.

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Their only purpose is to earn cash by presenting clickbait. And it's working so no incentive for him to stop.

Anti vaxxers getting severely sick and prolonging the pandemic blaming the government for prolonging the pandemic. Dumb beyond words.

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The pandemic is prolonged because the virus hasn't slowed down. It is still burning through vaccinated and unvaccinated people. I'd say people who fail to see and acknowledge that is the case are dumb beyond words.

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On this point, it's the unvaccinated that are crowding ICUs, not the vaccinated. It is burning through the vaccinated but with little to no real serious affect. I'd argue, and you as well, if we had been 85-90% vaccinated in the early summer, hospitals would have been precovid levels and this "surge" would have been much less of a story. As in not a story at all.

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That's true and if your line in the sand of "pandemic" is hospitalizations then you'd be correct. But then don't be surprised when others move the line to deaths.

The virus is the cause of it all and the potential to mutate and circumvent current vaccines was very much one of the talking points for pushing the vaccine "protect yourself and others and stop the spread…do it now before a variant is produced that will not be covered by the vaccine".

In their studies the vaccines performed well against the strain at the time (alpha?) but has not performed as well against delta. Is it keeping people from hospitals? Yes. Is it working well enough to stop transmission to a level of stopping future mutations? Not so sure, doesn't appear to be the case.

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That's really all it needs to do at this point. Never was sold as stopping future mutations or shutting Covid down. It's here with us forever in some form. I agree. I honestly think way too many are overreacting by masking and continuing to social distance.

I will say this: What we want, most of us, is for the government to get out of our lives with all this crap. The avenue I felt was best was to vaccinate. It washed my hands of everything moving forward. On top of that, I have had covid. Perfect super-immunity. I laugh at all the school districts and county leaders like Clay (LEROY) Jenkins going all pre-2021 and trying to mask every body up again. I support Abbot's ban on mandates and love the aggressiveness that the Texas AG Paxton has perused the towns, counties and districts trying to implement masking mandates. It should be up to the individual. Same with the vaccine. But I LOVE the fact that I can look at a pro mandate person and show them I've checked their entire list and am exempt form all this crap moving forward. I honestly believe the same about anyone. Why would we require vaccination proof without proof of anti-body and natural immunity, which is a stronger immunity than the vaccine alone? This has become such a huge political game now. It's the hardliners wanting to mandate everything that are keeping the numbers of vaccinated lower than they should be.

texan12 said:

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Why 85-90%? What if the vaccine isn't as effective as thought and the virus has become less deadly and more contagious? Both can be true.

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Impossible. The vaccine will end the virus in its tracks.

Now go get in line for n+1 booster shot or I'll have to pass another mandate. I'm getting really impatient with people with only 3 shots prolonging this pandemic.

...be sure also to wear 1...or 2? masks....when indoors...and outdoors?

...be sure to stand 6....or 3? feet apart...

...be sure to put your mail on the patio in the sun for 24 hours....

...be sure to wipe down your foods when it comes from the delivery service....

End game? We just getting started baby! Vaccines are the new quantitative easing. For each booster they'll first tell you it's your choice and you can pat yourself on the back for being a hero, but if you're not a hero after 4 months, you are relegated to the non compliant unclean category.