samurai_texan said:

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Interesting



https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2021/07/26/covid-vaccination-california-counties/

A new analysis finds several counties with above-average vaccination rates also have higher COVID case rates, while case rates are falling in counties with below-average vaccination rates.

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Statewide data analyzed by the Bay Area News Group found five counties, Los Angeles, San Diego, Alameda, Contra Costa, and San Francisco, have both a higher percentage of people who are fully vaccinated than the state average and a higher average daily case rate.

Compare that to these five counties: Modoc, Glenn, Lassen, Del Norte, and San Benito, which have below-average vaccination rates and decreasing case rates.

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Los Angeles County: 8,495 people per square mile
Modoc County: 2 people per square mile

Picadillo said:

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Israel says 84% of infecteds have been vaccinated

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The politician says "its certainly looking like the pfizer vaccine is not working against the delta variant".

How many fully vaccinated people are there in Israel? How many of those have been hospitalized in the last month from the delta variant of covid? How many fully vaccinated folks have died as a result of the delta variant?

The politician does not appear to understand that the success of the vaccine is not just measured by a pos covid test. If its keeping hospitalizations low and the death rate even lower, then would it not be considered successful?

38% of fatalities involved un-restrained passengers, seatbelts don't help!

Well 93% of people wore seatbelts according to the National Safety Council
In fatal crashes 21% of restrained passengers died while 79% of unrestrained passengers died

7% of the population generates 38% of the deaths.


Well statistically it looks like vaccinated patients are like wearing super seatbelts. You could argue the same for natural immunity at this point with these particular variants but of course to get to that natural immunity you have to kill a ton of people.

This thread illustrates the lack of critical thinking/ignorance of an increasing percentage of the population when it comes to evaluating statistics (or really any information), coupled with the often-knowing exploitation of that ignorance by the media and others (especially politicians).

Since the vast majority of Israelies are vaccinated, even if the breakthrough rate is low, it would not be a surprise that a large number of those infected were vaccinated.

Conversely, if you look at low-vaccination states (like Oklahoma), the overwhelming percentage of infections are in unvaccinated people. Its simple math.

The increasing lack of critical thinking in this country is disturbing. Splash a headline and a lot of people will believe it, especially if it supports the outcome that they want.

The populations of those counties alone explain it.

The unvaccinated, low case counties are in the middle of nowhere so coming in contact with an infectious person is FAR less likely while the highly vaccinated counties are also highly populous, active and busy. Not surprisingly, the vast majority of hospitalizations are unvaccinated in keeping with rest of country.

JesusQuintana said:

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Picadillo said:

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Israel says 84% of infecteds have been vaccinated

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The politician says "its certainly looking like the pfizer vaccine is not working against the delta variant".

How many fully vaccinated people are there in Israel? How many of those have been hospitalized in the last month from the delta variant of covid? How many fully vaccinated folks have died as a result of the delta variant?

The politician does not appear to understand that the success of the vaccine is not just measured by a pos covid test. If its keeping hospitalizations low and the death rate even lower, then would it not be considered successful?

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You don't necessarily have to follow every detail of these studies. But if there are a dozen studies saying the vaccines are ~80% effective against mild Delta cases, and there's one study showing 40%, you probably shouldn't anchor to the outlier.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) July 28, 2021

this is the OP's MO. Post some nonsense study that is quickly refuted, then disappear.

We'll get another one tomorrow.

People are going to believe what they want to believe and nothing is going to change their mind. When stats line up with their beliefs, its treated as gospel. When they don't, it's stat manipulation or fake news. This happens constantly on the politics board, but liberals are just as bad.

Jmiller said:

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TulsAg said:

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The increasing lack of critical thinking in this country is disturbing. Splash a headline and a lot of people will believe it, especially if it supports the outcome that they want.

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Ahhhh. I see you are starting to understand these lowly hyoo-mans. Soon you'll learn that not only do the lack critical thinking, but it's not even something to which they are attracted. You must appeal to them at a primal level.

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How'd they even graduate college is what I want to understand. Especially A&M.

Bruce Almighty said:

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People are going to believe what they want to believe and nothing is going to change their mind. When stats line up with their beliefs, its treated as gospel. When they don't, it's stat manipulation or fake news. This happens constantly on the politics board, but liberals are just as bad.

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and this is the real issue of it all. Instead of common sense, critical thinking and a basic ability to interpret studies and science we are instead left with my side is better than your side and what they say goes. The clip above from the senator is the perfect example. Someone who is supposed to be a leader but seems to not understand the basic fundamentals and makes a idiotic claim that the vaccine is not working because of case counts while ignoring (purposely?) hospitalizations and deaths. He has the latest data from Israel yet he can't seem to make sense of it and has "questions". He's likely not an idiot so the conclusion is that he is purposely focusing on one metric to pander his side instead of looking at what's really important and critical.

The bigger issue is that some folks will listen to people like this instead of seeking advice from a medical professional and not get vaccinated because some politician said it doesn't work on their favorite news channel.

Jmiller said:

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TulsAg said:

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The increasing lack of critical thinking in this country is disturbing. Splash a headline and a lot of people will believe it, especially if it supports the outcome that they want.

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Ahhhh. I see you are starting to understand these lowly hyoo-mans. Soon you'll learn that not only do the lack critical thinking, but it's not even something to which they are attracted. You must appeal to them at a primal level.

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This is super rich coming from you.