Natural infection vs vaccination

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samurai_science
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7:01p, 7/26/21
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762


Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.


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7:17p, 7/26/21
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no way in hell I'd roll the dice with this bug without getting vaccinated first
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In reply to cone • 7:28p, 7/26/21
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Solid contribution to the topic.

How old and unhealthy are you to have that level of fear?
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7:34p, 7/26/21
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mostly just seeing people my age (40) get really sick from this thing

know a guy who rode the vent, survived, lost 65 lbs doing so
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In reply to Aggie_Boomin 21 • 7:41p, 7/26/21
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Cone knows like 20,000 long haulers and the entire ICU ward at Hermann Memorial
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In reply to Old Buffalo • 7:44p, 7/26/21
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if you think I'm lying say so

also have a neighbor who got infected and he is double vacc'd and everyone at the small gathering where he got it was double vacc'd (except the baby)

luckily, he's doing okay and getting over it
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7:45p, 7/26/21
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Sorry to hear that cone. I am about to turn 40 and most of my friends are over the hill, or close too it and the majority of us had covid, including most if my immediate family. We all made it through just fine and will definitely be enjoying natural immunity. Looking forward to more data to drive home that natural immunity means something and can't be ignored any longer.
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8:13p, 7/26/21
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I would certainly get vaccinated if not already blessed to be infected pre-vax. I lost trust in medical community and news probably earlier than most. I had been donating life saving plasma for 9 months while doctors and media said natural immunity lasted 2 weeks, then 3 months, then 6 months, and now it appears years better than vaccine.

I even had an MD at methodist tell me in person "a lot of people are getting reinfected after 2 weeks". I asked if it was his patients or others at methodist, and he said "uh I just heard about it".

Sorry to all the great MDs here, but this whole pandemic knocked your profession down a couple pegs. It's been a messaging disaster.
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8:15p, 7/26/21
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In reply to cone • 8:36p, 7/26/21
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Do you hate good sources of information?

Only relying on anecdotes and linking an anonymously run Twitter account with ~7k followers?
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9:03p, 7/26/21
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Maybe natural immunity is better than vaccination, but that is in no way a reason to not get vaccinated if you haven't had COVID before.
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In reply to AggieUSMC • 9:07p, 7/26/21
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AggieUSMC said:
Maybe natural immunity is better than vaccination, but that is in no way a reason to not get vaccinated if you haven't had COVID before.


This is the way
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In reply to AggieUSMC • 9:40p, 7/26/21
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Maybe natural immunity is better than vaccination, but that is in no way a reason to not get vaccinated if you haven't had COVID before and are over 50.
FIFY
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In reply to Old Buffalo • 2:23p, 7/27/21
Old Buffalo said:
Cone knows like 20,000 long haulers and the entire ICU ward at Hermann Memorial
Cone's best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw his next door neighbor pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
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2:25p, 7/27/21
So the best way to avoid getting covid is to get covid?
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In reply to AggieUSMC • 5:19p, 7/27/21
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AggieUSMC said:
Maybe natural immunity is better than vaccination, but that is in no way a reason to not get vaccinated if you haven't had COVID before.
There is if your risk/reward profile tilts to COVID being a weak flu or less to you individually.
Gig'Em and God Bless,

JB'91
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In reply to The_Fox • 5:21p, 7/27/21
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The_Fox said:
AggieUSMC said:
Maybe natural immunity is better than vaccination, but that is in no way a reason to not get vaccinated if you haven't had COVID before and are over 50.
FIFY
Had it when I was 50 - mild 2 week flu.
Gig'Em and God Bless,

JB'91
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In reply to Teslag • 7:30p, 7/27/21
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Salute The Marines said:
AggieUSMC said:
Maybe natural immunity is better than vaccination, but that is in no way a reason to not get vaccinated if you haven't had COVID before.


This is the way


You should just salute him.
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1:25p, 7/28/21
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So what do we do if we have had it and are over it? What are the rates of breakthrogh infections, reinfections, and breakthrough reinfections?

We already know reinfection is super rare. In fact you don't even hear about them much in the news. I've heard many more cases of being vaccinated and developing COVID than reinfection.

The vaccine may be perfectly safe, but they are still being studied. How long was asbestos and tobacco seen as safe by science before discovering the long term effects?

So, what do I gain by being recovered and getting the vaccine? A more robust antibody response? What if mine is fine? How can we test for that?

The way I see it is vaccinated or recovered, you have done your part.
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In reply to Bill Bigfoot • 1:58p, 7/28/21
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So, what do I gain by being recovered and getting the vaccine?
Nothing. If you already had the virus then there is no reason to get the vaccine. I think this is proven to be true more and more true every day.
Hillary paid for warrant to spy on Trump.
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In reply to Bill Bigfoot • 2:21p, 7/28/21
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So, what do I gain by being recovered and getting the vaccine? A more robust antibody response? What if mine is fine? How can we test for that?
Sign up here for free antibody testing (includes both natural and vaccine-induced antibodies). Immunity is more than antibodies but will give you some idea of where you are. https://sph.uth.edu/projects/texascares/
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In reply to MiMi • 2:39p, 7/28/21
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Closest place to me is an hour each way. Wish they would have had the labs mapped out before all the questions.

Guess I wont be in their survey after all.
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3:49p, 7/28/21
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44...had it in March, felt like crap for a week, fatigued for awhile after, was back to normal in May. Spread the fear cone!
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In reply to texsn95 • 4:34p, 7/28/21
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not sure if saying you felt less than normal for a month is accomplishing what you think it is?
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7:39p, 7/28/21


In summary, vaccination and previous infection look to be pretty much equivalent with a very slight edge to vaccination being more robust.
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In reply to cone • 7:42p, 7/28/21
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cone said:
no way in hell I'd roll the dice with this bug without getting vaccinated first


I'm 31 and had very weird chills and a slight cough.
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10:28p, 7/28/21
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I know in the past, most doctors on this board said if you're relatively young and have had COVID previously, they don't recommend needing a vaccine. Is that still the case?

Saw the CDC and WHO are pushing for everyone to get vaccinated, even if you had COVID before, because they don't trust how long natural immunity lasts.
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10:52p, 7/28/21
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A few recommendations to get vaccinated despite prior infection:

Why COVID-19 Vaccines Offer Better Protection Than Infection

Information for Special Populations and the COVID-19 vaccine

Do I still need to get vaccinated if I've already had COVID-19?

When Should You Get Vaccinated if You've Had COVID-19?

Do I need a vaccine if I've already had COVID-19?

You Should Still Get Vaccinated Even If You've Already Had COVID-19

Why you should get a COVID-19 vaccine even if you've already had the coronavirus
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11:00p, 7/28/21
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A few recommendations that vaccination is not necessary after prior infection.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01557-z





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In reply to chap • 11:23p, 7/28/21
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Thanks to you and Fido for the information. Not confusing at all haha. Guess it depends on which doctor you talk to or which article you read. I'm just frustrated that all the talk is vaccinated vs unvaccinated and no one seems to include the thousands of us who've already had the virus.
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In reply to Tom Cardy • 9:01a, 7/29/21
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Kick-R said:
not sure if saying you felt less than normal for a month is accomplishing what you think it is?
No kidding. Same as the poster above who described a two week flu. If I can prevent either of those reactions, count me in!
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In reply to ExpressAg11 • 9:26a, 7/29/21
ExpressAg11 said:
Thanks to you and Fido for the information. Not confusing at all haha. Guess it depends on which doctor you talk to or which article you read. I'm just frustrated that all the talk is vaccinated vs unvaccinated and no one seems to include the thousands of us who've already had the virus.
20% to 30% of Americans have had covid. There's a reason the media and White House only refer to vaccinated vs. anti-vaxx: division and politicization. And $$$.
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Here's a study done one international travelers arriving in Qatar Feb-April of this year where everyone was quarantined and tested. The article and figures have some good data, but the TLDR is that it looks like immunity from natural infection is roughly 8% less than immunity from vaccination during that time period. So maybe slightly lower, but still very good based on the data.


https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2781112
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