Marcus Aurelius said:

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Mixture. Alot of younger people. Eye opening. Seems opposite of original outbreak.

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Young people that are obese or comorbidity?

Or seemingly fully healthy young people? If fully healthy that would be concerning if its in high #s as a percentage.

There are so many - not all of them mine. But I'd say. Mostly, unvaccinated heavier with comorbidities (though not all). We do have a 84 y/o vaccinated lady with break thru illness in ICU.

Marcus Aurelius said:

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There are so many - not all of them mine. But I'd say. Mostly, unvaccinated heavier with comorbidities (though not all). We do have a 84 y/o vaccinated lady with break thru illness in ICU.

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What are the death numbers looking like compared to say, 6-8 months ago?

Marcus Aurelius said:

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All (except one 74 y/o) pts under 45, unvaccinated and morbidly obese.

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Sounds heartless, but Darwin doin' work.

planoaggie123 said:

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Good point.

We see it in the swimsuit magazines etc.

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Yeah, I understand the backlash against the Cosmo version of attractiveness that has caused negative body images for decades.



But then they overcompensate with just hideously unhealthy people.



There are plenty of healthy, reasonable women out there that can be used for role models. If nothing else, the most recent Olympics have shown us plenty of active, muscular women that show great health.

Toci?

I think this is well stated. Not just with this virus but in all thingspeople want to live flippantly and expect modern medicine to save them when needed.

I know there are ethics etc but part of me thinks hospitals should set up tents outside their main building and have it be for COVID. Don't want the vaccine? Fine. 100% your choice (that has and will remain my stanceno mandates). However, get sick and you will be staying in this tent and we will see what we can do. This virus seems to be so clear (outside of some VERY rare cases) about who it hurts the worst and those people still refuse to get it or acknowledge their own health status. Tell people the care levels for COVID are being decreased, prob see another boost in vaccinations.

So would normal use of an IL-6 inhibitor increase your likelihood of getting COVID with mild to moderate symptoms because you're on an immunosuppressant, but decrease your likelihood of severe issues because of the same properties?

Marcus Aurelius said:

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Frustrating it is. I have a 70 y/o with RA immunosuppressed. Just got intubated for covid. Not vaccinated. Her rheumatologist told her she was too "high risk" for the vaccine. I would argue the total opposite. Now she is facing 10% survival odds.

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WOW. I hope that rheumatologist seems the error of their ways and contacts any other "high risk" patient and says I was wrong.

ramblin_ag02 said:

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Right?!! Everyone "too high risk" for the vaccine is at much higher risk from COVID. All of my patients on monoclonal antibodies for various reasons are being told not to get the vaccines by their specialists, and it's irritating. They won't be the ones taking care of them when they end up in the hospital.

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Would they be the ones taking care of them if they recommended the vaccine and it caused them to end up in the hospital?

Marcus Aurelius said:

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Frustrating it is. I have a 70 y/o with RA immunosuppressed. Just got intubated for covid. Not vaccinated. Her rheumatologist told her she was too "high risk" for the vaccine. I would argue the total opposite. Now she is facing 10% survival odds.

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I'd be curious as to the rationale behind that position.

I mean, I suppose the thinking would be that the vaccine could cause her to get so sick as to die that it's better to isolate and try to avoid exposure (a fool's errand) than vaccinate.

But that's precisely the kind of person I would urge to get vaccinated.

For example:
- both of my parents in the 70's though very healthy otherwise got vaccinated
- my FiL (age- 76) who is a total disaster, diabetic, in the early stages of dementia, whom we financially support, and I'll not get into all of it but I can't stand the POS and he needs to die in a fire - got him vaccinated
- my MiL (age- 74 & divorced from my FiL since 1979) she's also a health disaster - she's vaccinated

All of 4 of them absolutely need to be vaccinated.

However,
- my sister (39), no health conditions whatsoever. Former collegiate swimmer, runs 2-3 marathons per year, consistently runs 25-30 miles per week or more when she's not in marathon specific training. She also does triathalons. BMI is nowhere near overweight
- my BiL (39), no health conditions whatsoever. Not the workout freak my sister is but he's a runner and typically does about 20 miles per week. He's about 6'1" 175 which puts his BMI at a healthy 23.
- my brother (41), former college football player, BMI would have him as overweight to borderline obese at 5'11.5" 215 (30 BMI) but considering the fact he's got visible abs, no other health issues other than the knee & shoulder stuff from football injuries. Works out pretty hard core. Had covid right before Thanksgiving.
- my SiL (33- I think? She's his second wife and younger by a decent amount) - she's very fit but frankly she seems to ALWAYS get sick, had covid right before Thanksgiving
- my nephew (17 in 2 weeks) - my brother's oldest - would also be considered overweight as he's a shade under 6'0" and about 210. He did have asthma when he was younger but appears to have outgrown it; he's also got visible abs and is definitely in shape as a pretty good HS football player (he's about to be a junior and getting interest from FCS and DII programs) and runs track. Had covid before Thanksgiving (he was patient 0 for my brother's family)
- my niece (16 next week) - my brother's youngest. Definitely not overweight at all. She's about 5'8" and pretty skinny. I can't estimate weight for women/girls. She's a pretty decent tennis player. Had covid around Thanksgiving.

Anyway, all of them got vaccinated and frankly I'm not sure they needed to at all. It's clearly their call and I'm not judging them for doing it but except for my SiL they're all the lowest of the low-risk.

ramblin_ag02 said:

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No, I'm the one who takes care of them when they end up in the hospital. I've had dozens of COVID patients in the hospital in the last year and several COVID deaths among my patients. I haven't had one serious complication to the vaccines. So your question reveals a poor understanding of the risks of disease compared to vaccination

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You spoke specifically of people who were considered high risk, for both the vaccine and the disease, being advised by their specialist. I presume their specialists are also Doctors? Are you saying their Doctors, specialists with their disease, are also not well versed in understanding the risk to their patients as it relates to the vaccines v the disease?

I'm genuinely curious to what vaccination numbers look like for people with known autoimmune disorders?

Sorry, I clarified my comment about people "high risk for the vaccine" in the post above.

2 months ago (pre surge) my aunt had a stroke. None of the DFW area hospitals were able to transfer her in. Covid is probably making things worse, however there was a staffing issue before.

Anecdotal I know but I know of nurses leaving much higher paying hospital jobs less stressful positions.

Boom