Musings from my call weekend.......

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My 18 y/o son tested pos today!! He has low grade fever but o/w ok. He couldn't get vaccinated because he had angioedema/anaphylaxis to the Gardisil (HPV) vaccine (scary as hell). He will be fine. Mom, Dad and sister have all had it and are vaccinated.

I haven't had as many new covids as I did this weekend in some time. All (except one 74 y/o) pts under 45, unvaccinated and morbidly obese. No delta variants. They are still sick as hell compared to the beginning of the pandemic. No real change in therapies on my front. But - I think it's critical for those having significant symptoms to get the monoclonal Ab infusion outpt before hospital admission is necessary,.
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Sorry to hear about your son. I wish him all the best.

I am vaccinated but am at risk for severe illness and I have researched what I could find out about the monoclonal antibodies.

If, God forbid, I get infected, how does one get this treatment? Does whoever tests you arrange for it?
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LOTS of vaccine availability out there for those that want itit is so super easy to get.
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OldArmy71 said:

Sorry to hear about your son. I wish him all the best.

I am vaccinated but am at risk for severe illness and I have researched what I could find out about the monoclonal antibodies.

If, God forbid, I get infected, how does one get this treatment? Does whoever tests you arrange for it?
At our hospital it is given thru the ER. You would need to present with your pos test results and germane symptoms.
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Thank you.

Just curious--are you guys doing the Regeneron or the sotrovimab?
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Each of these monoclonal proteins is different, correct? Ultimately, I wonder if a mixture of all of them might be used, like with the Saint Jude's protocol for ALL. Or, do they all have similar enough action, severe enough side effects, or marginal enough benefit to make such an approach unlikely? Also, I don't think people realize that these antibodies don't work once the viral load is too high. I guess it's like trying to stop the tide with a sponge at that point. Anyway, for all of the folks talking about HCQ or Ivermectin, they may not realize that there is actually something that targets the virus. It just seems like these antibodies are in no man's land like Tamiflu - by the time you realize you need it, it's too late.
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SoupNazi2001 said:

Notice they are all morbidly obese. Biggest high risk factor. Easiest Covid prevention is to get in shape.


The easiest covid hospitalization prevention is to get vaccinated. It's fee and it's two jabs. It doesn't get easier than that.
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SoupNazi2001 said:

Notice they are all morbidly obese. Biggest high risk factor. Easiest Covid prevention is to get in shape.


Yeah, maybe so...but if I'm a doctor and somebody comes to me with Covid symptoms, do I just tell them they're not fat enough to get the antibody treatment?
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SoupNazi2001 said:

Notice they are all morbidly obese. Biggest high risk factor. Easiest Covid prevention is to get in shape.


.there is also a vaccine available
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I'll stick to being young and healthy.
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SoupNazi2001 said:

Notice they are all morbidly obese. Biggest high risk factor. Easiest Covid prevention is to get in shape.
Correct. By far, and away, the biggest risk factor. No pun intended. From the beginning.
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OldArmy71 said:

Thank you.

Just curious--are you guys doing the Regeneron or the sotrovimab?
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Notice they are all morbidly obese. Biggest high risk factor. Easiest Covid prevention is to get in shape.
If getting in shape was easy, there wouldn't be so many fatties in this world.
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As I mentioned in earlier posts - we are giving tociluziumab 8mg/kg IV upon arrival now. I think it's working. Anecdote. But just sayin. Heretofore it was given as salvage too late.
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If you are fully vaccinated but test positive and have symptoms, can you still receive the monoclonal antibody treatment?
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SoupNazi2001 said:

94chem said:

SoupNazi2001 said:

Notice they are all morbidly obese. Biggest high risk factor. Easiest Covid prevention is to get in shape.


Yeah, maybe so...but if I'm a doctor and somebody comes to me with Covid symptoms, do I just tell them they're not fat enough to get the antibody treatment?


Did I say that? Covid has highlighted the unhealthy state of a lot of our population. Hopefully it will be a wake up call to them. If you are young and healthy it produces cold or flu like symptoms to the majority of young and healthy people. If you are obese it is much more severe.



No it hasn't highlighted the unhealthy state. Do you hear anyone in the media or health department talking about losing weight? If anything this whole deal has done the opposite by putting politics above common sense and health and this country is dumber and more divided as a result of it. It's ****ing amazing how many people can't or won't go see a/their doc if they are sick and many more won't listen to them because they "know more" or the doc doesn't align with their political side or what they read on Facebook.
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Not to get all F16 and everything, but the media still loves glorifying that big Cosmopolitan Mag model when in reality they're promoting the wrong value.

(Yes I get that some people have glandular and other factors to blame for obesity and not just lifestyle)
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Marcus -

In your opinion should my daughter get the vaccine? She's 17, healthy, had COVID in July 2020. A few lbs overweight maybe but nowhere near obese.
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Why wouldn't anybody who is medically able to get the vaccine get it so we can start to move on with our lives. This wave is more and more looking like it is concentrated on the young unvaccinated obese group.
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Salute The Marines said:

SoupNazi2001 said:

Notice they are all morbidly obese. Biggest high risk factor. Easiest Covid prevention is to get in shape.


The easiest covid hospitalization prevention is to get vaccinated. It's fee and it's two jabs. It doesn't get easier than that.



It does get easier.

Why would anyone get two shots when J&J single shot is widely available? Should be promoting simplicity.
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Salute The Marines said:

SoupNazi2001 said:

Notice they are all morbidly obese. Biggest high risk factor. Easiest Covid prevention is to get in shape.


The easiest covid hospitalization prevention is to get vaccinated. It's fee and it's two jabs. It doesn't get easier than that.
This is just wrong. Marcus has said it is "by far" the biggest factor is obesity...and not just slightly obese but morbidly obese

We should not, as a society, look for medical cures to fight off the results of a lazy / obese society. Doing basic things like eating healthy, walking outside, etc could easily shave off a large portion of the deaths we have seen from this. However, you and others would suggest the easiest thing to do is wait for scientists to create a vaccine and inject.

To clarify just how FAT morbidly obese is....at my hight of 5'10' / 5'11' i would need to gain 120 - 130 pounds to hit the 280 mark to put me at the low end of morbid obesity. I am by no means a stick figure either....
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Quote:

I am by no means a stick figure either....
You kind of are...just sayin'...
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planoaggie123 said:

Salute The Marines said:

SoupNazi2001 said:

Notice they are all morbidly obese. Biggest high risk factor. Easiest Covid prevention is to get in shape.


The easiest covid hospitalization prevention is to get vaccinated. It's fee and it's two jabs. It doesn't get easier than that.
This is just wrong. Marcus has said it is "by far" the biggest factor is obesity...and not just slightly obese but morbidly obese

We should not, as a society, look for medical cures to fight off the results of a lazy / obese society. Doing basic things like eating healthy, walking outside, etc could easily shave off a large portion of the deaths we have seen from this. However, you and others would suggest the easiest thing to do is wait for scientists to create a vaccine and inject.

To clarify just how FAT morbidly obese is....at my hight of 5'10' / 5'11' i would need to gain 120 - 130 pounds to hit the 280 mark to put me at the low end of morbid obesity. I am by no means a stick figure either....

He's saying the biggest risk factor for those in the hospital is obesity; however, only one of his patients currently is vaccinated. So either obese people aren't getting vaccinated or he isn't seeing obese people that are vaccinated in hospital in his area.

I think both sides of this can be true. We as a country need to be less fat for a whole host of reasons and being vaccinated helps mitigate not only the risk of infection but the risk of serious infection requiring a stay in the hospital.

For the record I'm heavier than I should be and I'm vaccinated. COVID has helped drive me to change my eating habits and get out and sweat more so that's a good thing.
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SoupNazi2001 said:

Notice they are all morbidly obese. Biggest high risk factor. Easiest Covid prevention is to get in shape.
I started around 280 at Christmas (I'm 6'6", so definitely fat, but not morbid). 265 in March and got serious. Down to 235 now...previous goal was 230. I'm thinking 220-225 now. We'll see. Nothing easy about it. Lots of work and focus. And can't yo-yo. I've lost a fair amount before, but it yo-yoed back. Going to require a lot of work and focus.

Also got the RONA vax. That was easy, even if my 2nd one took about 2.5 hours due to the line.
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I am glad to hear about your eating habits, etc. We actually changed our entire eating lifestyle about 5 months back and i dropped 20+ pounds and never will go back. It incorporates a lot of greens (breakfast, lunch and dinner) and lean meats and is very simple to follow. We still splurge on mexican once a weekend (nachos, chips/salsa, frozen ritas, etc) and if i want cake, etc at a kids bday party i go for it.

I can 100% get on board with a "both" approach but I cannot get on board with a "medicate first" approach. We are blaming healthy people who don't want a vaccine far more than we are blaming the overweight people who eat fast food and ice cream and beer daily.

Maybe just maybe many others will take an approach like you (and sorta me too although mine was just trying to look good for vacation vs concerns over covid haha) and we will find a few positives from this ordeal in the long-run.
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Ol Jock 99 said:

SoupNazi2001 said:

Notice they are all morbidly obese. Biggest high risk factor. Easiest Covid prevention is to get in shape.
I started around 280 at Christmas (I'm 6'6", so definitely fat, but not morbid). 265 in March and got serious. Down to 235 now...previous goal was 230. I'm thinking 220-225 now. We'll see. Nothing easy about it. Lots of work and focus. And can't yo-yo. I've lost a fair amount before, but it yo-yoed back. Going to require a lot of work and focus.

Also got the RONA vax. That was easy, even if my 2nd one took about 2.5 hours due to the line.

That is tall.

It makes me laugh too b/c yesterday we went to Dicks and behind us in line was a younger kid, looked to be high school or maybe early college, and he was ever bit of 6'6" or more and it was one of the first times my daughter realized that 'dad' isnt as big as she thought lol.
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We have 2 guys at our little church that are 6'8". Still wigs my kids out.

People that know us as a couple think my 5'9" wife is short.
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It's a lot quicker to get a shot today than to drop 100 pounds today.

Yes we need to drop the pounds. No one is denying that. But unless someone is lining up to shave massive amounts of weight off of people, getting the shot is something that people can do RIGHT NOW
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2wealfth Man said:

Why wouldn't anybody who is medically able to get the vaccine get it so we can start to move on with our lives. This wave is more and more looking like it is concentrated on the young unvaccinated obese group.


Because most of us moved on with our lives a long time ago and the vaccine offers us nothing in that regard. I'm not in the obese group so I'm not concerned. Not up to me to keep them healthy.
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Cool...now you should encourage your fat friends and relatives to lose weight and get vaccinated.
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Charpie said:

It's a lot quicker to get a shot today than to drop 100 pounds today.

Yes we need to drop the pounds. No one is denying that. But unless someone is lining up to shave massive amounts of weight off of people, getting the shot is something that people can do RIGHT NOW

Agree the immediate impact is a shot. Not denying. Glad we have the shots. My parents got them and happy to have limited concerns on their end.

However, a lot of blame seems to be placed on young, healthy individuals not getting the vaccine when the ultimate issue resides in a handful of groups of individuals.....older, obese, and immunocompromised. Those individuals need to take responsibility for their own lives. Get the shot and lose weight. Obviously immunocompromised and elderly have situations that are out of their control (weight may or may not be an issue) but those groups should be getting the shots at a near 100% rate + take other necessary precautions as they see fit and let the rest of the world move on....
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coolerguy12 said:

2wealfth Man said:

Why wouldn't anybody who is medically able to get the vaccine get it so we can start to move on with our lives. This wave is more and more looking like it is concentrated on the young unvaccinated obese group.


Because most of us moved on with our lives a long time ago and the vaccine offers us nothing in that regard. I'm not in the obese group so I'm not concerned. Not up to me to keep them healthy.
consistently being a bullheaded ass doesn't solve anything. We get it. You tell all of TexAgs in every thread about covid how you aren't getting the vaccine and moved on with life, but seemingly cannot avoid posting.
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Ragoo said:

coolerguy12 said:

2wealfth Man said:

Why wouldn't anybody who is medically able to get the vaccine get it so we can start to move on with our lives. This wave is more and more looking like it is concentrated on the young unvaccinated obese group.


Because most of us moved on with our lives a long time ago and the vaccine offers us nothing in that regard. I'm not in the obese group so I'm not concerned. Not up to me to keep them healthy.
consistently being a bullheaded ass doesn't solve anything. We get it. You tell all of TexAgs in every thread about covid how you aren't getting the vaccine and moved on with life, but seemingly cannot avoid posting.


No ***** He's moved on with his life from Covid except posting constantly about it on a message board. Soup Nazi is another one. I need to hear another two dozen times about how his Covid experience was nothing more than the sniffles.
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