Technically I guess there is zero data showing someone that has been vaccinated, conceived after, and gave birth. We wouldn't see that until August?? Our teenage girls are being asked by summer camps and summer work to show proof of vaccination and because they are at such minimal risk I'd rather them not until there's more data - fertility, child birth, cycles, etc. Or is the MOA of the vaccine totally unrelated to this - just like it would be totally unrelated to the vaccine causing teeth to fall out or something like that. Anything out there that might give ob/gyns pause to getting their younger patients vaccinated? Or do we just get them their shot.

I would not vaccinate my daughters at that age. I'm not vaccinating mine but they are younger. You are introducing an unknown risk for a known risk that is basically 0.

I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.

Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.

Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...

Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.

FDA just said Pfizer/Moderna are safe for pregnant women. FWIW

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I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.

Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.

Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...

Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.

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I would take it as a healthy sign of curiosity and critical thinking. Especially for that age group where it is so lacking. They (and us) have been given so much bad and incorrect information from supposed experts since this started that I applaud them for not taking blind leaps.

Fitch said:

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I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.

Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.

Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...

Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.

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Yeah, we wouldn't want to experience mild allergy-like symptoms.

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I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.

Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.

Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...

Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.

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I would take it as a healthy sign of curiosity and critical thinking. Especially for that age group where it is so lacking. They (and us) have been given so much bad and incorrect information from supposed experts since this started that I applaud them for not taking blind leaps.

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Except its not curiosity and critical thinking. It's "I heard something somewhere from some person that this vaccine might be bad."

People today are more likely to take medical advice from a Facebook post or a Tik-Tok video they they are an actual medical or science expert.

And the term "expert" has been corrupted, since there are tons of quack doctors out there peddling all sorts of junk science - on both sides of this issue.

People are not curious when it comes to things like this - they are lazy and gullible. How do you think organic foods, supplements, and "clean" beauty became such massive industries?

Not to mention, the huge numbers of women who will spend tens of thousands of dollars to inject/implant just about anything into their bodies to look younger and/or more attractive, yet they are convinced this vaccine is just one big conspiracy theory designed to make pharma companies "rich".

I'm so sick of junk science. If someone genuinely asks a question about the vaccine because they don't know or want to learn more, that's one thing. But, I'm finding the vast majority of people who "ask" questions like these already have their minds made up, and even when they are presented with very sound and fact-based evidence showing these vaccines are safe, they still want to fall back on the "But, but, but, my friends cousin's sister's brother got autism after being vaccinated!!!"

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I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.

Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.

Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...

Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.

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Yeah, we wouldn't want to experience mild allergy-like symptoms.

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Fwiw, Utah is seeing 5% of babies age 0-1 that get covid end up hospitalized.
https://coronavirus.utah.gov/case-counts/

Just seems weird that after the laundry list of vaccines required to attend public school in Texas... that this is the one people are now concerned with.

I had to look it up but it looks like 7 vaccines, some of which have multiple doses.
https://dshs.texas.gov/immunize/school/school-requirements.aspx

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The_Fox said:

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I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.

Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.

Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...

Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.

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Yeah, we wouldn't want to experience mild allergy-like symptoms.

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Fwiw, Utah is seeing 5% of babies age 0-1 that get covid end up hospitalized.
https://coronavirus.utah.gov/case-counts/

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How many 18 year old girls with a child in utero are hospitalized?

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Just seems weird that after the laundry list of vaccines required to attend public school in Texas... that this is the one people are now concerned with.

I had to look it up but it looks like 7 vaccines, some of which have multiple doses.
https://dshs.texas.gov/immunize/school/school-requirements.aspx

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How long is the track record of the other vaccines vs the current covid vaccines? It is much longer and more of a known quantity. I don't understand why someone who is in an age group that has very little to worry about from this virus would want to be part of the human tests of a vaccine. Maybe they should be allowed to wait until all the results are in.

Moderna has been in use for 14 months now. How long do you want?

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Moderna has been in use for 14 months now. How long do you want?

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I would like a vaccine for something that I haven't already had and was a nothingburger.

I would take a cancer vaccine.

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I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.

Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.

Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...

Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.

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I would take it as a healthy sign of curiosity and critical thinking. Especially for that age group where it is so lacking. They (and us) have been given so much bad and incorrect information from supposed experts since this started that I applaud them for not taking blind leaps.

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Except its not curiosity and critical thinking. It's "I heard something somewhere from some person that this vaccine might be bad."

People today are more likely to take medical advice from a Facebook post or a Tik-Tok video they they are an actual medical or science expert.

And the term "expert" has been corrupted, since there are tons of quack doctors out there peddling all sorts of junk science - on both sides of this issue.

People are not curious when it comes to things like this - they are lazy and gullible. How do you think organic foods, supplements, and "clean" beauty became such massive industries?

Not to mention, the huge numbers of women who will spend tens of thousands of dollars to inject/implant just about anything into their bodies to look younger and/or more attractive, yet they are convinced this vaccine is just one big conspiracy theory designed to make pharma companies "rich".

I'm so sick of junk science. If someone genuinely asks a question about the vaccine because they don't know or want to learn more, that's one thing. But, I'm finding the vast majority of people who "ask" questions like these already have their minds made up, and even when they are presented with very sound and fact-based evidence showing these vaccines are safe, they still want to fall back on the "But, but, but, my friends cousin's sister's brother got autism after being vaccinated!!!"

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This is exactly it, and it's been this way since the beginning of covid on all issues. People are more concerned with confirmation bias than they are getting to the actual truth. If you think the vaccine is a big conspiracy for government control, or that they are covering up vaccine related deaths and other issues, you can scour the internet to confirm your bias.

If you look at the data from a public health officials perspective, then it all makes much, much more sense than trying to tie in any conspiracy theory together regarding them.

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I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.

Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.

Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...

Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.

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Yeah, we wouldn't want to experience mild allergy-like symptoms.

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For the record, there is data that the outcome for the unborn child is worse for pregnant women who catch covid than pregnancy witbout covid. The vaccine is not showing those same negative outcomes to the unborn child.

Why is the virus a known risk and the vaccine an unknown risk? If you're worried about long term health impacts why are you worried about a vaccine which has a very limited effect to invoke an immune response, but not worried about the virus which is much more destructive and long lasting. Before the trials began the FDA determined that the absolute longest a negative side effect from vaccination had ever occurred was 2 months after the vaccine. Unlike vaccines, viruses have been known to cause both permenant damage and expose you to longer term health consequences. Why is the virus a known risk? It's likely to be not a huge risk, but the moderna and Pfizer vaccines are likely to be orders of magnitude less risky.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/pregnant-people.html
This has multiple academic papers siting the increased risk to both mother and child of a pregnant woman catches COVID. Unlike the data for women who are actually pregnant and get the vaccine:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-02/28-03-01/05-covid-Shimabukuro.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwijlvzBwZ7wAhU5KDQIHdbAAAwQFjAAegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw2VS4LNH-ZKHDBM6s5iJvJa
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104983

At some point we need to stop fearing something that has a 0.0000001% death rate - like the mRNA vaccines. Or does that mentality only apply to the virus with a couple magnitudes larger death rate than the vaccine?

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The_Fox said:

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I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.

Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.

Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...

Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.

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Yeah, we wouldn't want to experience mild allergy-like symptoms.

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For the record, there is data that the outcome for the unborn child is worse for pregnant women who catch covid than pregnancy witbout covid. The vaccine is not showing those same negative outcomes to the unborn child.

Why is the virus a known risk and the vaccine an unknown risk? If you're worried about long term health impacts why are you worried about a vaccine which has a very limited effect to invoke an immune response, but not worried about the virus which is much more destructive and long lasting. Before the trials began the FDA determined that the absolute longest a negative side effect from vaccination had ever occurred was 2 months after the vaccine. Unlike vaccines, viruses have been known to cause both permenant damage and expose you to longer term health consequences. Why is the virus a known risk? It's likely to be not a huge risk, but the moderna and Pfizer vaccines are likely to be orders of magnitude less risky.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/pregnant-people.html
This has multiple academic papers siting the increased risk to both mother and child of a pregnant woman catches COVID. Unlike the data for women who are actually pregnant and get the vaccine:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-02/28-03-01/05-covid-Shimabukuro.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwijlvzBwZ7wAhU5KDQIHdbAAAwQFjAAegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw2VS4LNH-ZKHDBM6s5iJvJa
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104983

At some point we need to stop fearing something that has a 0.0000001% death rate - like the mRNA vaccines. Or does that mentality only apply to the virus with a couple magnitudes larger death rate than the vaccine?

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I am not afraid of the vaccine or the virus. But because the virus is not a threat to me, there is zero reason to waste time getting vaccinated.

The virus is even less of a threat to a 16-24 year old girl. Getting it would be an utter waste of time and effort. There is probably an excellent chance they have already been exposed to the actual virus.

There is increased risk for pregnant women who have Covid. And in turn, to the unborn child. If a woman wants to get pregnant, it is a good idea to consider vaccination, along with many of the other things she should consider regarding her health.

I will say that I do not want any institution requiring parents to give their children the vaccine. It's not their place to require that. And I think anti-vaxers are nut jobs. But given this is a new vaccine, it should not be a requirement to anyone. But I can understand a parent wanting to wait a little while longer before they let their kids get vaccinated. There has been so much hysteria surrounding this virus, we need to all take a step back and realize a maskless person at the grocery store isn't going to give you Covid, you do not need a mask outside, surfaces will not give you Covid, the best approach to being protected from Covid is get healthier and in shape, no one should have to show a vaccine "passport", the vaccine is healthy for adults and we all should get it, 6 foot social distancing was an arbitrary distance with no real science behind it, once you are vaccinated you do not need to follow any Covid restrictions and rules, overwhelming the hospital system was the one and only reason to ever shut down, mask, social distance or follow any other protocol and not the idea of saving every single life as possible b/c it isn't realistic and the medical world should stop generalizing everything for us and instead admit to the nuances that are the reality of viruses and let things open up. I could just go on.

Someone needs to explain vaccines to people. If you have it then you are protected. Why do these people care if someone else is not protected? Leave them alone.

Lol...... 14 months isn't long enough to form any conclusions on long term effects. If you think it is, then no wonder you got the vaccine.

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aggiebrad94 said:

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Fitch said:

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I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.

Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.

Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...

Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.

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I would take it as a healthy sign of curiosity and critical thinking. Especially for that age group where it is so lacking. They (and us) have been given so much bad and incorrect information from supposed experts since this started that I applaud them for not taking blind leaps.

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Except its not curiosity and critical thinking. It's "I heard something somewhere from some person that this vaccine might be bad."

People today are more likely to take medical advice from a Facebook post or a Tik-Tok video they they are an actual medical or science expert.

And the term "expert" has been corrupted, since there are tons of quack doctors out there peddling all sorts of junk science - on both sides of this issue.

People are not curious when it comes to things like this - they are lazy and gullible. How do you think organic foods, supplements, and "clean" beauty became such massive industries?

Not to mention, the huge numbers of women who will spend tens of thousands of dollars to inject/implant just about anything into their bodies to look younger and/or more attractive, yet they are convinced this vaccine is just one big conspiracy theory designed to make pharma companies "rich".

I'm so sick of junk science. If someone genuinely asks a question about the vaccine because they don't know or want to learn more, that's one thing. But, I'm finding the vast majority of people who "ask" questions like these already have their minds made up, and even when they are presented with very sound and fact-based evidence showing these vaccines are safe, they still want to fall back on the "But, but, but, my friends cousin's sister's brother got autism after being vaccinated!!!"

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This is why my wife and I eventually decided to get the shot.

We realized all of the dissenting information about getting it was coming from Facebook shares and conspiracy theorists, while the people telling us that it was safe to get were my neurologist, our daughter's pediatrician, our family physician and my wife's OBGYN.

We trust these doctors with literally everything else, why not trust them now?

As others have said, there is increased risk to the fetus in utero when a pregnant mother gets it. So far data is showing that there is no increased risk of any adverse outcomes associated with pregnancy in those that get vaccinated (and this is from 10's of thousands of vaccinated mothers/mothers-to-be). Some were vaccinated prior to pregnancy, some were vaccinated during various points in pregnancy.

There is no known impact to fertility - again, thousands have gotten pregnant after vaccination.

I think it's easy to believe that this virus is a harmless cold to the young and healthy, even to pregnant females, but the data doesn't support that conclusion in a decent chunk of the population that gets it. The potential risk of harm from actual infection is higher than the risk of harm from the vaccine, by a significant margin.

No one can promise that there is zero risk of a long term adverse outcome from the vaccine, because we don't have time machines. But, in the history of vaccines, the vast majority of bad outcomes will occur within 1-14 days. Then they start petering out and are pretty much non-existent past 60 days. Of course, even in prior vaccines, how do you tie an adverse outcome to a vaccine that you got 2 years ago, and prove it wasn't something else that happened in the interim 2 years? The first humans got this vaccine over a year ago, and we're now 6 months past when the clinical trial ended.

If you live in a place where the risk of getting COVID is less than the risk of an adverse outcome from the vaccine, then it's probably in your best interest to not get the vaccine. But considering how much people travel these days, getting vaccine makes more sense for most people.

This your gut feeling or based on data?

Be careful about how much faith you place in your doctors. They are good people who are often only working with government guidelines. My neurologist told me 5 years ago that my muscle twitches, pain, and weakness were something I'd have to live with for the rest of my life and changing my diet would have no impact. Her only options for me were pills and more pills. This is how she was trained.

Five years later and I'm free from all of those things without any medication, only dietary changes. Yes, the folks on facebook are crazy (I stay away from that cesspool), but there's a lot of good information out there, even on social media, that is inconsistent with what doctors and governmental authorities are saying. It's always worth investigating independently of what your doctor and other "experts" are saying.

When has 14 months been considered long term in any study? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the answer to that question. Nobody knows the long term risks of taking this vaccine... we don't know how this will affect our bodies 10-15 years from now... Scientists don't even know the full extent because mRNA vaccines are brand new.

There's a reason why this vaccine is currently labeled as EXPERIMENTAL.

What does "long term" mean to you and why do you believe that?

mRNA have been studied for nearly 20 years. This is the first one on the market widespread. What vaccines have been this safe for nearly a billion people, have had so few issues in about 7-8 months since the first trials, but then rear their ugly head with long term effects 10-15 years later? The vast majority of vaccines, including some of the mRNA studies years ago, all showed the main negative side effects within weeks.

Has there been any? Do we need to wait 10-15 years before anyone ever takes a vaccine in any future(god forbid) pandemic?

I suppose there is nothing 100% in life, just like it's not 100% that you could have debilitating long term damage from covid itself 10-15 years from now. I continue to be amazed with all the concerns over the vaccines years from now and how those same people continue to ignore the virus itself could likely be even worse with all the initial data we have. I'd bet with my life that the vaccines produce far, far less long term side effects than covid will, for all age groups.

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I can not see how fertility is in any way involved let alone affected.

Not throwing stones as two younger women in my family share the same (confusing) concern, but it very much seems like worry for the sake of worry, rather anything remotely based reality.

Suppose it's more a sign of the stress of the times...

Get the shot. Better than being pregnant with Covid.

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Yeah, we wouldn't want to experience mild allergy-like symptoms.

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As someone who has known 3 people who passed away from Covid, all below the age of 60 and 2 of whom were in great shape, I tire of your downplaying of this disease.

Get the shot and let's all return to normal. It is allergy like symptoms for most, but don't discount the 585,000+ deaths in our country over the past year either.

Occurring over a long period of time. A long period of time being 10, 15, 20+ years. "Long term studies" are not done over the course of several months.... they teach that in beginner science courses.

I hope there aren't any long term effects or risks of taking it but you just don't know. mRNA vaccines are brand new with relatively zero studies behind them. Look up the time it has taken other vaccines to be developed and ask yourself if you're comfortable with the short period of time it took to study and produce the mRNA vaccine. If you want to take that risk because you only see short-term, then go for it.

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When has 14 months been considered long term in any study? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the answer to that question. Nobody knows the long term risks of taking this vaccine... we don't know how this will affect our bodies 10-15 years from now... Scientists don't even know the full extent because mRNA vaccines are brand new.

There's a reason why this vaccine is currently labeled as EXPERIMENTAL.

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586,000 deaths in one year say we do know the effects of the virus. It is all about risk assessment.

You've had it drilled into your mind that COVID will produce some sort of "debilitating, long-term health issues" when doctors and scientists don't even know because the virus has been around for a year...Do you really not understand the word "long-term"? mRNA has been studied for years but it hasn't been used or implemented or even deemed safe lol there is a reason why this vaccine is still in the "experimental" stage. You are the guinea pig.

The media has lied to you and you've bought every second of it. I suggest doing some more research... HHS produces a chart with vaccine-related injuries, hospitalizations and deaths (known as VARS). Maybe you'll change your mind.

What happened to the flu and pneumonia? Kinda odd how those just disappeared, don't you think? Especially when the winter of 2019-2020 was supposed to be the worst flu season we had seen in decades....

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You've had it drilled into your mind that COVID will produce some sort of "debilitating, long-term health issues" when doctors and scientists don't even know because the virus has been around for a year...Do you really not understand the word "long-term"? mRNA has been studied for years but it hasn't been used or implemented or even deemed safe lol there is a reason why this vaccine is still in the "experimental" stage. You are the guinea pig.

The media has lied to you and you've bought every second of it. I suggest doing some more research... HHS produces a chart with vaccine-related injuries, hospitalizations and deaths (known as VARS). Maybe you'll change your mind.

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How many deaths due to vaccines this year?

You can look up the statistics. I told you exactly where to look. I don't need to hold your hand and spoon feed you information. If you can use this site, you are perfectly capable of doing a google search.

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What happened to the flu and pneumonia? Kinda odd how those just disappeared, don't you think? Especially when the winter of 2019-2020 was supposed to be the worst flu season we had seen in decades....

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Given the complete lack of international travel over the prior year and the masking requirements, a large deduction in flu symptoms is not surprising in the least. Are you suggesting that every doctor in the US conspired to change flu diagnosis to Covid? Are you suggesting that governors like Abbott would willingly go along with a plan to increase covid cases in their state? You understand the level of effort that would have to be done to get everyone on board with that narrative?

Put your tinfoil hat down and really think about what you are saying.

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You can look up the statistics. I told you exactly where to look. I don't need to hold your hand and spoon feed you information. If you can use this site, you are perfectly capable of doing a google search.

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So you don't know. Got it.