And then a month or two later?TheMasterplan said:
I'd say do whatever you're going to do. The virus is here to stay so live your normal life. Get the virus. Survive. Get the antibodies.
Keegan99 said:
Texas is a big state, so it would seem to be an error to view it in a homogeneous context.
Which areas are seeing the largest increases in hospitalization?
Yikes!AgE Doc said:Keegan99 said:
Texas is a big state, so it would seem to be an error to view it in a homogeneous context.
Which areas are seeing the largest increases in hospitalization?
I'm not sure about hospitalization numbers in terms of county of origin. So many people are getting transferred to other hospitals other than their local hospital due to bed availability it makes that difficult to track. In order to try and localize things from a community prevalence of the infection these are some notable Texas counties plus any other Texas Counties that were over the 10% Positivity Rate.
County (Positivity Rate)
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Hansford (31%)
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Geop84 said:
I thought I had seasonal allergies starting last Tuesday. Stayed home from the Florida game out of what I thought was an excess of caution. Monday I started running fevers, got tested yesterday in College Station at Baylor Scott and White through my doctor. Test came back this morning.
Goose61 said:
After reading this thread, it's not hard to see why many of our resident MDs, several who have been down in the trenches fighting the good fight with this disease, no longer wish to post here. Nothing worse than being told by a bunch of layman that their hard learned expertise is invalid, because it offends their political point of view, and infringes upon "muh freedoms."
This forum was setup to be a place for the open exchange of valuable information from our resident doctors to us layman, not to validate one's point of view (if that's what you want, then go to F16 and join in the company of all your fellow William Wallaces). A famous man once said, "The Truth Shall Set You Free" - He didn't say anything about it making you happy.
And if that's make me a "Coronabro" or a "Branch Covidian", then so be it.
This reasoning is the fundamental bone I have to pick with our public health response. It's not reasonable to shut down swathes of productive society to protect a minority of the population. The net harm is going to be greater than if we allowed life to go on and depend on the minority of individuals to make the best decisions for themselves in terms of work or exposure to relatives.AgE Doc said:GAC06 said:
Those things shouldn't have anything to do with high schools or college sports
High school athletes go home to parents and grand parents that can be high risk and sit in class rooms with teachers some of whom are at risk.
If we don't distance or mask and case numbers get too high they will cancel games/seasons and suspend in person Learning.
I don't want that to happen, but if we allow things to become a repeat of July then that will happen.
The time to make sure we are doing the LITTLE THINGS to try and prevent that is NOW... not in 3 or 4 weeks!
Goose61 said:
After reading this thread, it's not hard to see why many of our resident MDs, several who have been down in the trenches fighting the good fight with this disease, no longer wish to post here. Nothing worse than being told by a bunch of layman that their hard learned expertise is invalid, because it offends their political point of view, and infringes upon "muh freedoms."
This forum was setup to be a place for the open exchange of valuable information from our resident doctors to us layman, not to validate one's point of view (if that's what you want, then go to F16 and join in the company of all your fellow William Wallaces). A famous man once said, "The Truth Shall Set You Free" - He didn't say anything about it making you happy.
And if that's make me a "Coronabro" or a "Branch Covidian", then so be it.
eric76 said:And then a month or two later?TheMasterplan said:
I'd say do whatever you're going to do. The virus is here to stay so live your normal life. Get the virus. Survive. Get the antibodies.
I had covid in early to mid May. A month later, I had no antibodies.
Pelayo said:This reasoning is the fundamental bone I have to pick with our public health response. It's not reasonable to shut down swathes of productive society to protect a minority of the population. The net harm is going to be greater than if we allowed life to go on and depend on the minority of individuals to make the best decisions for themselves in terms of work or exposure to relatives.AgE Doc said:GAC06 said:
Those things shouldn't have anything to do with high schools or college sports
High school athletes go home to parents and grand parents that can be high risk and sit in class rooms with teachers some of whom are at risk.
If we don't distance or mask and case numbers get too high they will cancel games/seasons and suspend in person Learning.
I don't want that to happen, but if we allow things to become a repeat of July then that will happen.
The time to make sure we are doing the LITTLE THINGS to try and prevent that is NOW... not in 3 or 4 weeks!
The first three months were understandable to begin to get a grip on a novel disease. Now there's no excuse.
coolerguy12 said:Goose61 said:
After reading this thread, it's not hard to see why many of our resident MDs, several who have been down in the trenches fighting the good fight with this disease, no longer wish to post here. Nothing worse than being told by a bunch of layman that their hard learned expertise is invalid, because it offends their political point of view, and infringes upon "muh freedoms."
This forum was setup to be a place for the open exchange of valuable information from our resident doctors to us layman, not to validate one's point of view (if that's what you want, then go to F16 and join in the company of all your fellow William Wallaces). A famous man once said, "The Truth Shall Set You Free" - He didn't say anything about it making you happy.
And if that's make me a "Coronabro" or a "Branch Covidian", then so be it.
Here's my problem with this statement. Doctors see the worst of the worst so their world view is going to be skewed by that. For example, if doctors posted on this board every time they dealt with a gun shot wound or stabbing victim and tried to extrapolate that data out to the rest of society we would all be walking around in bulletproof vests. I'm not saying we don't need to listen to doctors, but it's a little dishonest to only listen to the doctors who confirm your worldview and then accuse the rest of us just trying to score political points.
Most of us were ok with 2-4 weeks to flatten the curve and then we watched the goalposts shift over and over again and got fed up with it. As soon as Harris county started talking about positivity rate I knew we were screwed. The testing is way too inconsistent for that to be a relevant metric.
Because NOT doctors scream them down and it's apparent this board no longer is willing to listen to people with the education to provide real advice. It's pointless.cc_ag92 said:
Thank you for sharing your perspective. This board used to have quite a few doctors and scientists participating. For some reason, most of them aren't very active anymore.
Your grandparents are motivated to continue life. Our older generation is incredibly valuable to some of us, while it's obvious those that think older people's lives are disposable so they don't need to inconvenience their own life styles. I look forward until the day they are able to hold their new great grandchild. Congratulations.KlinkerAg11 said:
And to add to what I said, my grandparents watch a lot of news and won't leave their house or hang out with us until public messaging says it's ok.
That's why I ask, if they get a vaccine will the public health officials tell him it's safe? I sure hope so.
Huh?WoMD said:eric76 said:And then a month or two later?TheMasterplan said:
I'd say do whatever you're going to do. The virus is here to stay so live your normal life. Get the virus. Survive. Get the antibodies.
I had covid in early to mid May. A month later, I had no antibodies.
I'm pretty sure the antibody issue has been addressed months ago, and is no longer a significant argument for lack of immune protection.
But stick with what works, I say! Especially if that's all you got...
eric76 said:Huh?WoMD said:eric76 said:And then a month or two later?TheMasterplan said:
I'd say do whatever you're going to do. The virus is here to stay so live your normal life. Get the virus. Survive. Get the antibodies.
I had covid in early to mid May. A month later, I had no antibodies.
I'm pretty sure the antibody issue has been addressed months ago, and is no longer a significant argument for lack of immune protection.
But stick with what works, I say! Especially if that's all you got...
We may have talked about antibodies months before, but some people clearly never got the message and thinks that we should get the virus and then go "live your normal life" if you have antibodies. I merely pointed out that having the virus doesn't mean that you will have antibodies or that they will last very long. The entire premise to what I was responding to is very flawed.
There is also t-cell immunity but no indication how long that will last.
So I don't understand at all what point you are trying to make. Can you elaborate?
bay fan said:Your grandparents are motivated to continue life. Our older generation is incredibly valuable to some of us, while it's obvious those that think older people's lives are disposable so they don't need to inconvenience their own life styles. I look forward until the day they are able to hold their new great grandchild. Congratulations.KlinkerAg11 said:
And to add to what I said, my grandparents watch a lot of news and won't leave their house or hang out with us until public messaging says it's ok.
That's why I ask, if they get a vaccine will the public health officials tell him it's safe? I sure hope so.
TheMasterplan said:
What about the doctors in this thread that have said it's ridiculous to treat the virus with an IFR of 0.3% this way and ridiculous to force the vast majority to change behavior to protect a small minority.
What's your response to those doctors?
I was very clearly responding to someone who thinks that we need to get covid so that we WILL have antibodies and you CAN then go about your life normally.WoMD said:eric76 said:Huh?WoMD said:eric76 said:And then a month or two later?TheMasterplan said:
I'd say do whatever you're going to do. The virus is here to stay so live your normal life. Get the virus. Survive. Get the antibodies.
I had covid in early to mid May. A month later, I had no antibodies.
I'm pretty sure the antibody issue has been addressed months ago, and is no longer a significant argument for lack of immune protection.
But stick with what works, I say! Especially if that's all you got...
We may have talked about antibodies months before, but some people clearly never got the message and thinks that we should get the virus and then go "live your normal life" if you have antibodies. I merely pointed out that having the virus doesn't mean that you will have antibodies or that they will last very long. The entire premise to what I was responding to is very flawed.
There is also t-cell immunity but no indication how long that will last.
So I don't understand at all what point you are trying to make. Can you elaborate?
My point is, not having antibodies after getting the virus does not mean you don't have immune protection. So your statement that you don't have antibodies does not mean that the example stated about getting the virus and living your life is somehow incorrect.
Duration of immune protection is still unknown, you are correct, but stating that not having antibodies as if that makes a point is proving some ignorance on the subject.
Which policies are you talking about?Fenrir said:
What is the percentage of people that have had the virus twice out of the entire population of people that have had the virus? And do you think such a percentage is meaningful for policy discussion?
My niece has covid and I do have regular contact with her at the office (family business), but being as those contacts tend to be short and often from at least six feet, especially this year, so I'm not covered by the above guidelines. However, as a reasonable precaution, I am avoiding contact with the elderly and with others who are at greater risk.Quote:
CDC recommends that all people, whether or not they have had COVID-19, take steps to prevent getting and spreading COVID-19. Wash hands regularly, stay at least 6 feet away from others whenever possible, and wear masks.
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Who needs to quarantine?
People who have been in close contact with someone who has COVID-19excluding people who have had COVID-19 within the past 3 months.
People who have tested positive for COVID-19 do not need to quarantine or get tested again for up to 3 months as long as they do not develop symptoms again. People who develop symptoms again within 3 months of their first bout of COVID-19 may need to be tested again if there is no other cause identified for their symptoms.
What counts as close contact?
- You were within 6 feet of someone who has COVID-19 for a total of 15 minutes or more
- You provided care at home to someone who is sick with COVID-19
- You had direct physical contact with the person (hugged or kissed them)
- You shared eating or drinking utensils
- They sneezed, coughed, or somehow got respiratory droplets on you
TheMasterplan said:
What about the doctors in this thread that have said it's ridiculous to treat the virus with an IFR of 0.3% this way and ridiculous to force the vast majority to change behavior to protect a small minority.
What's your response to those doctors?
WoMD said:TheMasterplan said:
What about the doctors in this thread that have said it's ridiculous to treat the virus with an IFR of 0.3% this way and ridiculous to force the vast majority to change behavior to protect a small minority.
What's your response to those doctors?
Only those on the "front lines" should have an opinion of how to fight a war that impacts close to zero percent of the population. Other doctors should shut their mouths and know their places. They just don't understand, so shouldn't have an opinion anyway.
Who said that this should drive government restrictions?Fenrir said:
I don't see evidence supporting government restrictions on gatherings and businesses. Do you think that one "study" highlighting what seems to be one case of reinfection that had a worse second infection is meaningful in anyway to the discussion of how the overall population needs to act with respect to the virus?
A virus that is filling up the larger regional hospitals all over the place?yukmonkey said:
The media is the problem with all of this.
The fact that we are still doing this charade for a virus with a 99%+ survival rate is laughable. We deserve the leaders we have.
