according to French Study.

Link

That's odd.
Our nanny's 4yo stepson gave it to her entire family.
Maybe they got it because they aren't French...

Yeah but all those teachers will give it to each other when you force them back into the same space.


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380Ag said:

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That's odd.
Our nanny's 4yo stepson gave it to her entire family.
Maybe they got it because they aren't French...

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Perhaps you're the first reported case!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/29/no-case-child-passing-coronavirus-adult-exists-evidence-review/

380Ag said:

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Our nanny's 4yo stepson gave it to her entire family.

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Seems like the 4 yr old needs a better caretaker

Schools need to be open. I'm on-board with taking precautions, but even the AAP is recommending that schools be open.

NYTs Article

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Here in Colorado, I've been following our state health department website very closely. They update data every day and include the outbreaks in the state they are investigating. As you can imagine, there are lots and lots in long-term care facilities and skilled nursing homes, some in restaurants and grocery stores. There have been a total of four in child care centers, and we do have a lot of child care centers open. In almost every one of those cases, transmission was between two adults. The kids in the centers are not spreading Covid-19. I'm hearing the same thing from other states, as well.

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https://www.healthychildren.org/English/health-issues/conditions/COVID-19/Pages/Return-to-School-During-COVID-19.aspx

COVID 19 is terrible and tragic in every way except statistically. Kids have a greater chance dying on the way to school than they do from the COVID.

How do they know he was the first one that had it?

Am I reading the study wrong? They looked at classes in February/March, before shutdown, found that 3 students had COVID-19 (3/42), followed them for two weeks, they didn't give it to anyone and TADA! COVID isn't spread by children?

So that guy says that 1) kids are at low risk AND 2) masks work really well.

Since no one in America can believe both those facts at the same time, I see a long and painful school year ahead.

Maybe I missed it, but what was the age of the kids studied? School Kids age from ~4-18, does this lack of spread apply to that whole group?

I am pro-school and pro-mask.

I'm more curious about what will happen with the older kids as there have been cases spread at summer camps this year. Ex- Pine Cove, Ozark, Kanakuk, etc.

380Ag said:

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That's odd.
Our nanny's 4yo stepson gave it to her entire family.
Maybe they got it because they aren't French...

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It's funny how certain anecdotal reports are used as justification to push certain narratives (kids spreading virus, young people dying, long-term health consequences post recovery) while other anecdotal reports (HCQ, steroids and other treatments effectiveness) are quickly dismissed as trivial.

For the record, I am not denying the severity and seriousness of the disease. And I do believe in science confirming the efficacy of medical treatments (when the studies aren't flawed).

Fewer kids have died from COVID than the flu over the same time period. Multiple studies have shown significantly reduced virus spreading from children, who are mostly asymptomatic. Find a way to protect the teachers if necessary, but closing the schools for another semester is anti-science fear mongering.


Even the CDC admits there is no data supporting children being major drivers in the spread of the virus.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/08/cdc-director-says-theres-no-data-children-drive-coronavirus-spread-but-the-us-isnt-testing-many-kids.html

valtosca said:

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COVID 19 is terrible and tragic in every way except statistically. Kids have a greater chance dying on the way to school than they do from the COVID.

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And if we didn't use car seats and seat belts the chances would be even greater.

SkiMo said:

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valtosca said:

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COVID 19 is terrible and tragic in every way except statistically. Kids have a greater chance dying on the way to school than they do from the COVID.

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And if we didn't use car seats and seat belts the chances would be even greater.

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The point is that car accidents are actually a threat to young children whereas the virus isn't.

amercer said:

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So that guy says that 1) kids are at low risk AND 2) masks work really well.

Since no one in America can believe both those facts at the same time, I see a long and painful school year ahead.

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I am no doubt expecting a s***show of a school year. There will no doubt be countless requirements and decisions that make very little sense and aren't supported by facts due to fear.

Personally know several families where asymptomatic kids transferred to parents or grandparents. Also have seen many in hospital with scenario. Yes "anecdote."

Skillet Shot said:

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380Ag said:

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That's odd.
Our nanny's 4yo stepson gave it to her entire family.
Maybe they got it because they aren't French...

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It's funny how certain anecdotal reports are used as justification to push certain narratives (kids spreading virus, young people dying, long-term health consequences post recovery) while other anecdotal reports (HCQ, steroids and other treatments effectiveness) are quickly dismissed as trivial.

For the record, I am not denying the severity and seriousness of the disease. And I do believe in science confirming the efficacy of medical treatments (when the studies aren't flawed).

Fewer kids have died from COVID than the flu over the same time period. Multiple studies have shown significantly reduced virus spreading from children, who are mostly asymptomatic. Find a way to protect the teachers if necessary, but closing the schools for another semester is anti-science fear mongering.


Even the CDC admits there is no data supporting children being major drivers in the spread of the virus.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/08/cdc-director-says-theres-no-data-children-drive-coronavirus-spread-but-the-us-isnt-testing-many-kids.html

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The key points in that link are very typical of everything from leadership so far. First person says we don't have evidence that children are drivers of the virus. Second person says not so fast, we don't have enough data to arrive at that conclusion.

Not discounting your experience, but how do you know with certainty who spread to whom?

Kids tested positive. Hanging out with friends etc. Parents and grandparents not going out hardly. Only around kids and immediate family. Point is to me - saying "kids don't transmit it" is a bit hazardous. "Kids less likely to transmit" maybe a better phrase. Pending further studies.

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The point is that car accidents are actually a threat to young children whereas the virus isn't.

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Wrong.

I agree with you. Plus, how many kids have gotten tested compared to adults? Since they tend to not get severe symptoms, I would imagine that testing in children is far less than adults...so we may find that lots of kids had it and we never knew. Goes back to whether asymptomatic patients (not presymptomatic or paucisymptomatic) tend to spread to others. It would be fascinating if not so damned frustrating... and it wasn't killing people.

JesusQuintana said:

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Skillet Shot said:

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380Ag said:

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That's odd.
Our nanny's 4yo stepson gave it to her entire family.
Maybe they got it because they aren't French...

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It's funny how certain anecdotal reports are used as justification to push certain narratives (kids spreading virus, young people dying, long-term health consequences post recovery) while other anecdotal reports (HCQ, steroids and other treatments effectiveness) are quickly dismissed as trivial.

For the record, I am not denying the severity and seriousness of the disease. And I do believe in science confirming the efficacy of medical treatments (when the studies aren't flawed).

Fewer kids have died from COVID than the flu over the same time period. Multiple studies have shown significantly reduced virus spreading from children, who are mostly asymptomatic. Find a way to protect the teachers if necessary, but closing the schools for another semester is anti-science fear mongering.


Even the CDC admits there is no data supporting children being major drivers in the spread of the virus.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/08/cdc-director-says-theres-no-data-children-drive-coronavirus-spread-but-the-us-isnt-testing-many-kids.html

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The key points in that link are very typical of everything from leadership so far. First person says we don't have evidence that children are drivers of the virus. Second person says not so fast, we don't have enough data to arrive at that conclusion.

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The burden of proof lies on those who are proposing the fundamental change. You cannot logically shut down schools based on a lack of evidence showing children don't spread the virus.

I do agree the CDC article is a little wishy washy. Try this one.

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

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JesusQuintana said:

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Skillet Shot said:

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380Ag said:

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That's odd.
Our nanny's 4yo stepson gave it to her entire family.
Maybe they got it because they aren't French...

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It's funny how certain anecdotal reports are used as justification to push certain narratives (kids spreading virus, young people dying, long-term health consequences post recovery) while other anecdotal reports (HCQ, steroids and other treatments effectiveness) are quickly dismissed as trivial.

For the record, I am not denying the severity and seriousness of the disease. And I do believe in science confirming the efficacy of medical treatments (when the studies aren't flawed).

Fewer kids have died from COVID than the flu over the same time period. Multiple studies have shown significantly reduced virus spreading from children, who are mostly asymptomatic. Find a way to protect the teachers if necessary, but closing the schools for another semester is anti-science fear mongering.


Even the CDC admits there is no data supporting children being major drivers in the spread of the virus.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/08/cdc-director-says-theres-no-data-children-drive-coronavirus-spread-but-the-us-isnt-testing-many-kids.html

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The key points in that link are very typical of everything from leadership so far. First person says we don't have evidence that children are drivers of the virus. Second person says not so fast, we don't have enough data to arrive at that conclusion.

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The burden of proof lies on those who are proposing the fundamental change. You cannot logically shut down schools based on a lack of evidence showing children don't spread the virus.

I do agree the CDC article is a little wishy washy. Try this one.

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19

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Wouldn't it be logical to assume children DO spread a coronavirus (like other coronaviruses and the flu) and work from there?

I am NOT saying we need to keep schools closed or that COVID-19 is a major danger to children or that they are a major vector, just commenting on your statement specifically.

I Am A Critic said:

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GAC06 said:

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The point is that car accidents are actually a threat to young children whereas the virus isn't.

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Wrong.

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Actually, poster is correct. Statistically speaking, the virus in a child is a near zero death rate. A car accident is far more dangerous.

I Am A Critic said:

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GAC06 said:

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The point is that car accidents are actually a threat to young children whereas the virus isn't.

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Wrong.

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https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

Influenza has killed more children under the age of 14 than COVID-19. In the age 14-24 cohort more young people have died from pneumonia than COVID-19. The data is starkly clear, schools should open up. Children should not suffer undue mental stress and anxiety due to the paranoia and hysteria surrounding COVID-19.

Schools need to open!!! I need a break from the wife!

380Ag said:

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That's odd.
Our nanny's 4yo stepson gave it to her entire family.
Maybe they got it because they aren't French...

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Kids passing it to adults is more common than kids passing it to other kids.

22 other nations say that is a lie. But I would be interested to see where your data came from. Keegan has posted the articles and if they are wrong they need to corrected.

P.U.T.U said:

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22 other nations say that is a lie. But I would be interested to see where your data came from. Keegan has posted the articles and if they are wrong they need to corrected.

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Where are these articles that Keegan has posted? I'm pretty sure kids passing this to each other is very uncommon.

I get that this is a sensitive subject for most people, but it's my opinion that kids need to be back in school. As a former educator kids are suffering far more from not being in school and "distance learning". What do you think is going on in these inner city schools? The resources are not as readily available for these students as others. Not to mention the living situations these kids face. What? Are we going to leave a 3rd grader at home by themselves while their parents work?
I know from a first hand source that said when they went to online learning last year it became a cluster trying to get kids to "show up for class" or to complete assignments. You hear all the time how we are one of the most uneducated countries in the world, well we already have 12 grades of students that have essentially missed an entire semester of education. I just doesn't seem feasible from an educational standpoint.

I Am A Critic said:

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GAC06 said:

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The point is that car accidents are actually a threat to young children whereas the virus isn't.

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Wrong.

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"Wrong" is correct to the point the comment being labeled "wrong" is only partially correct... "does the child have risks exacerbated by Covid-19?" It's multi variate. Covid-19 is a information problem disguised as a medical problem. There is no perfect solution for every individual. Everyone should perform a personal risk inventory and then proceed to make an informed decision from there. People go mad attempting to mitigate all risks to zero.