Governor Abbott press conference 6/22/20

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murphyag
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aginlakeway said:

culdeus said:

cone said:

restaurants are not as risky as bars and represent a much large part of the service economy and require much more time and effort to stand up after a shutdown

if you're going to target anything with the highest risk least economic reward, it's bars and nightclubs
If I was going to target anything I'd do restaurants as you get a larger % of the over 65 justaflus present. bars and nightclubs may ultimately fill up hospitals due to the sheer numbers, fine, if that's the case shut them down.

If you want to talk risk/reward restrict the 65+ crowd from restaurants. It's beyond stupid we can't manage this like Sweden did. It's going to hurt the economy, and cause some job stress but people need to get their priorities straight.

I know very few people over 65 who are going anywhere, other than maybe the grocery store.



I agree with you. All of the 65 plus people that I know (and I know quite a few from my large church, civic groups, and my neighborhood) don't go anywhere that they don't absolutely have to go- doctor's appointments, grocery store (most I've talked with have been doing curbside pickup or have groceries delivered. Many have been taking advantage of our church's new Covid-19 grocery/errand services for the elderly provided by different groups of younger parishioners at our large church.
cone
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It isnt the beach that would be the problem, it is everything leading up to it.
it's not the gas stations either

but it is the restaurants

we went to Galveston for Memorial Day and the restaurants were looking pretty lively
cone
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it's all about

- ventilation
- proximity
- duration
- vocalization

with ventilation clearly trumping the rest

you could go make a matrix with activities and show where the features you want are not present and then weigh them versus economic requirements (extending all the way down to commercial real estate derivatives) and then close from the bottom up
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Silky Johnston said:

I never understood this logic of going to the beach not contributing to the spread because it left out an important part of the equation. I don't think hanging out at the beach is a problem, it is the small number of gas stations and restaurants that were now being flooded with people ass to ass. I went kayak fishing in Freeport and have never seen the Buccee's and other gas stations as packed as they were when I drove by.

It isnt the beach that would be the problem, it is everything leading up to it.
I agree and would not think a normal beach day is a problem however the younger crowd that is getting it now seems to pack up and enjoy recreation in large spring breakish groups. They also have packed pool parties at apt complexes, float the river that is packed tube to tube and engage in bars/house parties. If one uses common sense based on what we already know about transmission, it should not be that hard to keep the spread under some type of control.
murphyag
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SoupNazi2001 said:

murphyag said:

aginlakeway said:

culdeus said:

cone said:

restaurants are not as risky as bars and represent a much large part of the service economy and require much more time and effort to stand up after a shutdown

if you're going to target anything with the highest risk least economic reward, it's bars and nightclubs
If I was going to target anything I'd do restaurants as you get a larger % of the over 65 justaflus present. bars and nightclubs may ultimately fill up hospitals due to the sheer numbers, fine, if that's the case shut them down.

If you want to talk risk/reward restrict the 65+ crowd from restaurants. It's beyond stupid we can't manage this like Sweden did. It's going to hurt the economy, and cause some job stress but people need to get their priorities straight.

I know very few people over 65 who are going anywhere, other than maybe the grocery store.



I agree with you. All of the 65 plus people that I know (and I know quite a few from my large church, civic groups, and my neighborhood) don't go anywhere that they don't absolutely have to go- doctor's appointments, grocery store (most I've talked with have been doing curbside pickup or have groceries delivered. Many have been taking advantage of our church's new Covid-19 grocery/errand services for the elderly provided by different groups of younger parishioners at our large church.


I just got back from a beach trip in Florida and there were tons of seniors at the beaches, restaurants, hotel, etc.


Well, I was talking about the age 65+ people that I know who live in Texas. I can assure you that none of them are planning vacations to Destin/30A area of Florida.

There are of course people who are age 65+ in the "But, my Freedoms crowd!" that will ignore their doctors and any other health recommendations put forth. They are just the older version of the same people who refuse to wear masks at indoor businesses and where social distancing isn't possible. Hard for me to feel sorry for them if they get sick. But, what are you suggesting be done about those folks? Politicians won't do anything to them.
culdeus
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Hospice 65+ at admission and you'll get their attention real fast. Some need a stick and some need a carrot.
GAC06
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murphyag said:

SoupNazi2001 said:

murphyag said:

aginlakeway said:

culdeus said:

cone said:

restaurants are not as risky as bars and represent a much large part of the service economy and require much more time and effort to stand up after a shutdown

if you're going to target anything with the highest risk least economic reward, it's bars and nightclubs
If I was going to target anything I'd do restaurants as you get a larger % of the over 65 justaflus present. bars and nightclubs may ultimately fill up hospitals due to the sheer numbers, fine, if that's the case shut them down.

If you want to talk risk/reward restrict the 65+ crowd from restaurants. It's beyond stupid we can't manage this like Sweden did. It's going to hurt the economy, and cause some job stress but people need to get their priorities straight.

I know very few people over 65 who are going anywhere, other than maybe the grocery store.



I agree with you. All of the 65 plus people that I know (and I know quite a few from my large church, civic groups, and my neighborhood) don't go anywhere that they don't absolutely have to go- doctor's appointments, grocery store (most I've talked with have been doing curbside pickup or have groceries delivered. Many have been taking advantage of our church's new Covid-19 grocery/errand services for the elderly provided by different groups of younger parishioners at our large church.


I just got back from a beach trip in Florida and there were tons of seniors at the beaches, restaurants, hotel, etc.


Well, I was talking about the age 65+ people that I know who live in Texas. I can assure you that none of them are planning vacations to Destin/30A area of Florida.

There are of course people who are age 65+ in the "But, my Freedoms crowd!" that will ignore their doctors and any other health recommendations put forth. They are just the older version of the same people who refuse to wear masks at indoor businesses and where social distancing isn't possible. Hard for me to feel sorry for them if they get sick. But, what are you suggesting be done about those folks? Politicians won't do anything to them.


What should be done about these folks? They should be left the f alone so they can live their lives. Do you even hear yourself?
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murphyag
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SoupNazi2001 said:

GAC06 said:

murphyag said:

SoupNazi2001 said:

murphyag said:

aginlakeway said:

culdeus said:

cone said:

restaurants are not as risky as bars and represent a much large part of the service economy and require much more time and effort to stand up after a shutdown

if you're going to target anything with the highest risk least economic reward, it's bars and nightclubs
If I was going to target anything I'd do restaurants as you get a larger % of the over 65 justaflus present. bars and nightclubs may ultimately fill up hospitals due to the sheer numbers, fine, if that's the case shut them down.

If you want to talk risk/reward restrict the 65+ crowd from restaurants. It's beyond stupid we can't manage this like Sweden did. It's going to hurt the economy, and cause some job stress but people need to get their priorities straight.

I know very few people over 65 who are going anywhere, other than maybe the grocery store.



I agree with you. All of the 65 plus people that I know (and I know quite a few from my large church, civic groups, and my neighborhood) don't go anywhere that they don't absolutely have to go- doctor's appointments, grocery store (most I've talked with have been doing curbside pickup or have groceries delivered. Many have been taking advantage of our church's new Covid-19 grocery/errand services for the elderly provided by different groups of younger parishioners at our large church.


I just got back from a beach trip in Florida and there were tons of seniors at the beaches, restaurants, hotel, etc.


Well, I was talking about the age 65+ people that I know who live in Texas. I can assure you that none of them are planning vacations to Destin/30A area of Florida.

There are of course people who are age 65+ in the "But, my Freedoms crowd!" that will ignore their doctors and any other health recommendations put forth. They are just the older version of the same people who refuse to wear masks at indoor businesses and where social distancing isn't possible. Hard for me to feel sorry for them if they get sick. But, what are you suggesting be done about those folks? Politicians won't do anything to them.


What should be done about these folks? They should be left the f alone so they can live their lives. Do you even hear yourself?


Maybe we should round them up and put them in camps because they are different and don't do what we think they should. Oh wait.


Um, that isn't what I was saying at all....and you both know it. I posted about what I was seeing where I live in Texas (since the topic of this post was about Texas) and you responded to me about what you saw in a short trip to the Florida panhandle a few weeks ago. I was merely responding to you that yes, there are groups of older people who don't care about wearing masks to keep themselves and others safe, or social distancing, etc. They're no different than the two of you who hate the thought of wearing masks to help others. But, nothing will change them, just as nothing will change the two of you. Pleas and suggestions to wear masks obviously won't work. And politicians can't and won't single out the elderly as the only ones who are required to wear masks. So, I predict that soon all of us will be facing more restrictions about wearing masks.

Duncan Idaho
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his "behave or I am turning the car around" message was weak leadership.
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Benny the Jet Rodriguez
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cone said:

all the people I know who got it in this wave were young and doing young people things

and not at a protest
Good, now tell us where the people who passed it to the people you know got it.
cone
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the gym?
GAC06
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Just taking wild guesses now or do you have something to base that off of?
Duncan Idaho
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Duncan Idaho said:

his "behave or I am turning the car around" message was weak leadership.


I guess he turned the car around. And is now telling the kids "go ask your mother mayor
Capitol Ag
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bay fan said:

Well, it also effects the people exposed at bars and the work they miss. My daughter, like many 20 somethings hit an outdoor bar (she admits it was packed) two weekends ago. A week later two of her group tested positive and she has been waiting in Dallas for test results for 6 days. She feels totally fine but can't leave home. Her friends, both in essential jobs can't work. Seems the economy will need to make some painful choices.....


Painful choices is an interesting term and a very good one for our situation. Do we want to make painful choices to close businesses down again and displace workers or do we make painful choices to let the virus run its course through those effected most severely considering 99.997% will survive this and most without side effects. It's a serious question given we may never have a vaccine.
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