The reasoning behind it is tocutdown on the number of people in the store.

aggie_bryan said:

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GiveEmHellBill said:

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PJYoung said:

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Weird to take your spouse to the store in these times unless there's extenuating circumstances.

And since they got the ticket I guess there wasnt.

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My wife and I shop together all the time and haven't stopped during the end of the world.

In fact, we just got back from a trip to HEB in College Station. Glad I live in a reasonable town and not in 1940's Germany where we have to justify "extenuating circumstances."

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I really wish people would stop comparing our current circumstances to 1940's Germany. It's ****ing dense and frankly insulting.

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You do realize Hitler didn't take over in a matter of 1 month. It was a gradual progression for the good of a nation over many years, right?

aggie_bryan said:

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GiveEmHellBill said:

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PJYoung said:

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Weird to take your spouse to the store in these times unless there's extenuating circumstances.

And since they got the ticket I guess there wasnt.

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My wife and I shop together all the time and haven't stopped during the end of the world.

In fact, we just got back from a trip to HEB in College Station. Glad I live in a reasonable town and not in 1940's Germany where we have to justify "extenuating circumstances."

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I really wish people would stop comparing our current circumstances to 1940's Germany. It's ****ing dense and frankly insulting.

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Please tell us how we're supposed to act and how many people are allowed to be out of the house at once.

88planoAg said:

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The reasoning behind it is tocutdown on the number of people in the store.

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But did you hear what benny franklin said back in 1790

The Bill of Rights were ratified in 1791. Great wisdom doesn't expire. So your point? Or just more statist love to give and ass to show?

This is ridiculous.

TxAG#2011 said:

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88planoAg said:

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The reasoning behind it is tocutdown on the number of people in the store.

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But did you hear what benny franklin said back in 1790

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Do you not feel the ideals this country were founded on are no longer valid?

88planoAg said:

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The reasoning behind it is tocutdown on the number of people in the store.

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Then count the number of people coming in the store. Don't make it a $1000 fine.

agdaddy04 said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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88planoAg said:

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The reasoning behind it is tocutdown on the number of people in the store.

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But did you hear what benny franklin said back in 1790

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Do you not feel the ideals this country were founded on are no longer valid?

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They are just mere suggestions comrade!

It's a silly fine, but don't forget almost every state has declared an emergency. It gives the government greater powers to restrict movement. Legally we aren't under normal circumstances.

TxAG#2011 said:

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Love this rule. People loading up the family minivans to Walmart like it's a vacation are ridiculous

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You and the eleven sheep that liked your post should be ashamed of yourselves.

I'm updating my bootlicker spreadsheet so I know whose opinion to ignore once everything has calmed down a bit.

Where I'm at the Covid scare never took hold. Nobody follows any of the directives, because this is simply not a legitimate concern. We also have 0 reported deaths.

Did we ever figure out what city? And how it was charged? I'm curious exactly how they are writing these so we can all know how to argue.

T Boon Pickens said:

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Where I'm at the Covid scare never took hold. Nobody follows any of the directives, because this is simply not a legitimate concern. We also have 0 reported deaths.

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Cool, can we make out?

AggieKatie2 said:

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Cleburne

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Of course in my hometown.

There are two groups on Facebook, "Cleburnites Talking" and "Cleburnites Talking (After Dark)" that have people complaining or defending themselves for going to the store with other people. Lot's of pearl clutching and saber rattlin'.



Side note to those groups, great drama reading if you are bored during quarantine

Best part is this one guy, a few years older than myself, that went to hollywood for a while a came back. Long story short, raised by grandmother who he calls his mom, was bullied for being gay in hs, changed schools, graduated and was a boy band impersonator for a while in New Orleans, moved to hollywood, was an extra or had tiny parts in a handful of nothing films, wrote a book full of typos that sold like 100 copies, moved back, and has become Mr. Social Justice of Cleburne while living with and off his grandmother who is currently hospice, wrote a follow up book and claimed to have a release party with a lot of celebs in Hollywood, gets exposed that he lied about it and was catfishing people (see https://pagesix.com/2019/11/15/phony-publicist-falsely-uses-paris-hilton-lisa-rinna-amazon-to-promote-book-party/). He starts all sorts of petitions, rally events, etc. Also goes on the attack of peoples looks and anything about them if they disagree with him. Really is a hate follow for me at this point, but highly entertaining

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AggieKatie2 said:

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HS friend got ticket in North TX for being in Walmart with wife in violation of that city's one person per household ordinance.

He lives in the next town over.

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What city? I take my kids to HEB and Costco to give the wife a break . Montgomery County here... they lifted the shelter in place orders, etc.

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Costco has a new rule that a max of two people per membership can enter now.

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AggieKatie2 said:

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Cleburne

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Of course in my hometown.

There are two groups on Facebook, "Cleburnites Talking" and "Cleburnites Talking (After Dark)" that have people complaining or defending themselves for going to the store with other people. Lot's of pearl clutching and saber rattlin'.



Side note to those groups, great drama reading if you are bored during quarantine

Best part is this one guy, a few years older than myself, that went to hollywood for a while a came back. Long story short, raised by grandmother who he calls his mom, was bullied for being gay in hs, changed schools, graduated and was a boy band impersonator for a while in New Orleans, moved to hollywood, was an extra or had tiny parts in a handful of nothing films, wrote a book full of typos that sold like 100 copies, moved back, and has become Mr. Social Justice of Cleburne while living with and off his grandmother who is currently hospice, wrote a follow up book and claimed to have a release party with a lot of celebs in Hollywood, gets exposed that he lied about it and was catfishing people (see https://pagesix.com/2019/11/15/phony-publicist-falsely-uses-paris-hilton-lisa-rinna-amazon-to-promote-book-party/). He starts all sorts of petitions, rally events, etc. Also goes on the attack of peoples looks and anything about them if they disagree with him. Really is a hate follow for me at this point, but highly entertaining

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Sounds like the hardest working actor and author in Cleburn!

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Premium said:

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AggieKatie2 said:

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HS friend got ticket in North TX for being in Walmart with wife in violation of that city's one person per household ordinance.

He lives in the next town over.

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What city? I take my kids to HEB and Costco to give the wife a break . Montgomery County here... they lifted the shelter in place orders, etc.

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Costco has a new rule that a max of two people per membership can enter now.

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Good thing I got in before the rule, the wife is going to have to take it in the chin next time and only send one kid with me. Then again, do kids count as a whole person?

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Did we ever figure out what city? And how it was charged? I'm curious exactly how they are writing these so we can all know how to argue.

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Cleburne and Violation of Emergency Management Plan.

AggieKatie2 said:

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OldArmyBrent said:

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Did we ever figure out what city? And how it was charged? I'm curious exactly how they are writing these so we can all know how to argue.

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Cleburne and Violation of Emergency Management Plan.

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I will say, going to the Cleburne walmart means he must have been in dire straits. HEB and Albertsons are way better. And if from a town over, must be one without a walmart close by so Rio Vista, Keene, Grandview, or Godley I'm guessing. Joshua people would go to Burleson, Covington to hillsboro.

GiveEmHellBill said:

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PJYoung said:

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Weird to take your spouse to the store in these times unless there's extenuating circumstances.

And since they got the ticket I guess there wasnt.

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My wife and I shop together all the time and haven't stopped during the end of the world.

In fact, we just got back from a trip to HEB in College Station. Glad I live in a reasonable town and not in 1940's Germany where we have to justify "extenuating circumstances."

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Wow, that is a terrible comparison. I get your point, but comparing this to Nazi Germany is showing your ignorance of history.

So police officers who probably come into contact with dozens of people a day violate social distancing to give two people who are social distancing from others, but not themselves because they happen to live together, a ticket. Sounds like a smart plan to me.

I don't think you will have much luck fighting it. It is pretty settled law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

If taking a field trip outside of your local jurisdiction to go the store was so important, you should have chosen to willfully enter a jurisdiction that was more aligned with your risk appitite.

You cant support HOAs and be opposed to local jurisdictions taking more restrictive measures than their more distant counter parts.

Maybe he shouldn't have broken the law.

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Love this rule. People loading up the family minivans to Walmart like it's a vacation are ridiculous

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So a single parent has to decide between getting supplies at Walmart and possibly getting a ticket, or leaving their children home alone?

This nanny state business has gone too damn far. This Covid stuff is NIMBY Christmas, Easter, a Hanukkah all rolled into one.

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I believe this only applies to adults.

Federale01 said:

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I don't think you will have much luck fighting it. It is pretty settled law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

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But muh rights

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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TxAG#2011 said:

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Love this rule. People loading up the family minivans to Walmart like it's a vacation are ridiculous

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So a single parent has to decide between getting supplies at Walmart and possibly getting a ticket, or leaving their children home alone?

This nanny state business has gone too damn far. This Covid stuff is NIMBY Christmas, Easter, a Hanukkah all rolled into one.

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I believe this only applies to adults.

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Technically only if you can't find someone to watch them, but of course who is going to ask.

Was there clear signage posted? Or could the recipient of the citation have been reasonably expected to be aware of the order?

Mens rea is still a component of any criminal charge.

Most of you are focused on state law, but this is a local order that is more strenuous than the state order.

Also, unless posted on the store door, how would someone from out of town know the order in this type of instance?

This is dumb.

For the past month I have taken one family member with me. They hold my phone with the shopping list and touch nothing.

Keeps me from having to use my readers and fumble with my phone.

sounds made up

I don't think the question is whether the jurisdiction has the power to enact this ordinance. I think they generally do because state and local governments have broad power to ensure the health and welfare of its citizens. To me the question is whether or not, admitting that they have the power to enforce, it is a good policy or not. To me it is a bad policy because it serves to increase the risk rather then reduce the risk.

The same way you know about every other local ordinance