In reply to rojo_ag
We get leaders to change their misguided policies by clubbing them with facts. Children aren't at risk, don't generally spread the virus, and should be in school. Overall cases don't change those basic facts, no matter how much you repeat it.
10:42a, 7/7/20
I have little hope for schools up here in Maryland to open. I figured the ones in Texas would, but that seems unlikely now.
The new spike in cases started about 3 weeks ago. So if a spike in deaths is coming, it should be now. If the cases are mostly younger people or the result of just more testing then maybe we won't see that spike.
Either way, Texas is in the **** right now and schools are supposed to open in 5 weeks? Seems unlikely.
The new spike in cases started about 3 weeks ago. So if a spike in deaths is coming, it should be now. If the cases are mostly younger people or the result of just more testing then maybe we won't see that spike.
Either way, Texas is in the **** right now and schools are supposed to open in 5 weeks? Seems unlikely.
10:46a, 7/7/20
In reply to GAC06
What purpose does it serve to "yell at clouds" about how mitigation strategies on campuses are unfounded and useless? I want information on how we are going to handle the inevitable in August. This is our reality regardless of the facts and regardless of your opinions about the severity of the virus. I will live this reality as many others for 186 days in less than 6 weeks. I want information not a political pissing match.
Go back and read any response I have posted since March. Nowhere have I advocated for restrictions. Quote me if you like. I have in fact said we need to go back business as usual. I have been consistent that this is not about what should be done or not done, but what will perhaps happen in light of public, expert, and political opinion.GAC06 said:rojo_ag said:
Hi Keegan. Nice of you to provide the facts! Will these findings influence public opinion and our response to the virus?
The countries that are analyzed in the charts have successfully contained widespread increase in cases before they reopened.schools. I know you know the surge in cases that is taking place in the U.S.
Try addressing the actual facts he brought up instead of regurgitating the same fear porn over and over
What purpose does it serve to "yell at clouds" about how mitigation strategies on campuses are unfounded and useless? I want information on how we are going to handle the inevitable in August. This is our reality regardless of the facts and regardless of your opinions about the severity of the virus. I will live this reality as many others for 186 days in less than 6 weeks. I want information not a political pissing match.
10:47a, 7/7/20
In reply to rojo_ag
That's woefully incomplete, as positive rate can be radically affected by screening.
Consider that you want to test 1000 people.
You take the temperatures of all 1000. You have 100 with a temperature over 99.0. You then only PCR test those. And 20 are positive.
What is your positive rate? Is it 20 of 100, or 20%? Or is it 20 of 1000, or 2%?
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You have to take into consideration the positivity rate and hospitalization rate. Much more effective in determining the rate of community spread. Austin: 127% increase in cases over last 2 weeks. 45% increase in testing.
That's woefully incomplete, as positive rate can be radically affected by screening.
Consider that you want to test 1000 people.
You take the temperatures of all 1000. You have 100 with a temperature over 99.0. You then only PCR test those. And 20 are positive.
What is your positive rate? Is it 20 of 100, or 20%? Or is it 20 of 1000, or 2%?
10:52a, 7/7/20
In reply to rojo_ag
Why do you keep bringing up politics? I haven't said anything remotely political
10:56a, 7/7/20
In reply to P.U.T.U
Okay. Not debating research and findings at all. What will this change in our response?
10:58a, 7/7/20
In reply to rojo_ag
It depends on the leadership. If leaders prioritize the well-being of children and the current science, schools will be open. If leaders prioritize fear and employee demands, schools will be hobbled and children and parents will suffer.
11:00a, 7/7/20
In reply to Keegan99
Okay. Tell that to the media and the county judges and the mayors and TEA and the governor. I have not control over the measures they are considering. The purpose of bringing up the numbers is to show that this is being used to inform mitigation measures. Austin is about to go into full lockdown if the numbers continue to increase.
11:02a, 7/7/20
In reply to GAC06
Okay be honest. Maybe remotely?
"We get leaders to change their misguided policies by clubbing them with facts. . ."GAC06 said:
Why do you keep bringing up politics? I haven't said anything remotely political
Okay be honest. Maybe remotely?
11:02a, 7/7/20
In reply to P.U.T.U
Technically not true that zero had an outbreak. Israel had some schools that re-closed after some outbreaks.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/coronavirus-israel-news-updates-breaking-1.8888326
Israel as a whole has not had a major issue from CV compared to the western european countries and US, so it could have just been abundance of caution since they are jumpy with any sign of cases.
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Let me start off by saying that I want my children back in school this fall and if I have the option I will send them every day. I think the benefits outweigh the risks.
I do follow the science that children are at less risk for complications for the virus AND they are less likely to spread. I understand that almost all the evidence we have of kids getting sick are traced back to adults getting them sick. I also understand the younger the kids, the better the situatoin.
The main thing that has to be clearly thought through on re-opening schools is and should be protecting teachers and staff. Not only are they more likely to have complications, but if they were infected they are more likely to infect the students. I think there are some common sense ways to do this that have been implemented successfully in a lot of work settings. I hope our administrators are smart enough to see this.
The bigger issue I feel for this all to work I feel is actually not what is happening in schools, but what is happening in the community. If the community as a whole has growing, uncontrolled community spread, teachers and administrators will be at a greater risk not just from working but from doing everything in their life. If too many teachers and administrators fall sick, there will be classrooms of students who are potentially infected and/or do not have a substitute teacher to take their place while that teacher quarantines. Then, the system breaks down and school has to stop for some period until the issue subsides. If that happens often enough, then we have an issue. It's a basic logistical issue -- teachers will not be living in bubbles. The 22 countries that re-opened school successfully do not have the level of community spread that we are experiencing in Texas right now.
That's why I feel that this all goes back to being responsible and trying to limit the spread of the virus with the simple, low cost basic means we have available -- wearing a mask, militant hand washing, social distancing, and being extra careful to protect the vunerable in everything that we do. If we take the mindset that we might as well rip off the band-aid and let the virus run through the community unabated, then we probably won't be able to have sustained in-person schooling.
I do think that Houston has turned the tide. Case numbers, positive testing rate appear to be going down in the last week. It seems we have responded well to the call to action. Hospitalizations are still trending up, but not exponentially anymore, the growth rate appears to be abating. If we can get this under control in the next month I think we'll be in a good spot to start school, and I think we are making progress. Just keep it up, everyone.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/coronavirus-israel-news-updates-breaking-1.8888326
Israel as a whole has not had a major issue from CV compared to the western european countries and US, so it could have just been abundance of caution since they are jumpy with any sign of cases.
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Let me start off by saying that I want my children back in school this fall and if I have the option I will send them every day. I think the benefits outweigh the risks.
I do follow the science that children are at less risk for complications for the virus AND they are less likely to spread. I understand that almost all the evidence we have of kids getting sick are traced back to adults getting them sick. I also understand the younger the kids, the better the situatoin.
The main thing that has to be clearly thought through on re-opening schools is and should be protecting teachers and staff. Not only are they more likely to have complications, but if they were infected they are more likely to infect the students. I think there are some common sense ways to do this that have been implemented successfully in a lot of work settings. I hope our administrators are smart enough to see this.
The bigger issue I feel for this all to work I feel is actually not what is happening in schools, but what is happening in the community. If the community as a whole has growing, uncontrolled community spread, teachers and administrators will be at a greater risk not just from working but from doing everything in their life. If too many teachers and administrators fall sick, there will be classrooms of students who are potentially infected and/or do not have a substitute teacher to take their place while that teacher quarantines. Then, the system breaks down and school has to stop for some period until the issue subsides. If that happens often enough, then we have an issue. It's a basic logistical issue -- teachers will not be living in bubbles. The 22 countries that re-opened school successfully do not have the level of community spread that we are experiencing in Texas right now.
That's why I feel that this all goes back to being responsible and trying to limit the spread of the virus with the simple, low cost basic means we have available -- wearing a mask, militant hand washing, social distancing, and being extra careful to protect the vunerable in everything that we do. If we take the mindset that we might as well rip off the band-aid and let the virus run through the community unabated, then we probably won't be able to have sustained in-person schooling.
I do think that Houston has turned the tide. Case numbers, positive testing rate appear to be going down in the last week. It seems we have responded well to the call to action. Hospitalizations are still trending up, but not exponentially anymore, the growth rate appears to be abating. If we can get this under control in the next month I think we'll be in a good spot to start school, and I think we are making progress. Just keep it up, everyone.
12:21p, 7/7/20
In reply to rojo_ag
School closures are political? Better move this whole thread then.
rojo_ag said:"We get leaders to change their misguided policies by clubbing them with facts. . ."GAC06 said:
Why do you keep bringing up politics? I haven't said anything remotely political
Okay be honest. Maybe remotely?
School closures are political? Better move this whole thread then.
12:37p, 7/7/20
In reply to GAC06
You know as well as I do. The debate you are bringing to this thread is all about politics and has nothing to do with the original intention of the thread.GAC06 said:rojo_ag said:"We get leaders to change their misguided policies by clubbing them with facts. . ."GAC06 said:
Why do you keep bringing up politics? I haven't said anything remotely political
Okay be honest. Maybe remotely?
School closures are political? Better move this whole thread then.
12:40p, 7/7/20
In reply to rojo_ag
I'm talking about reopening schools. You can't seem to shut up about politics. Put me on ignore, take a break, or do whatever it takes to stop derailing the thread with your ridiculous political rant.
1:01p, 7/7/20
In reply to GAC06
I started this thread. I know what the original intent was and it was not to have a "political" battle of wits with an internet tough guy.
So, no. You are not the internet police, and I will not ignore you
Simply having a conversation about how we will navigate instruction during this time and what districts in Texas and other states are contemplating is not propagating fear. Your attempts to derail the tread with reasons why districts should not attempt to slow the spread are irrelevant to this discussion. This thread is about what is going to happen not if it should happen. No sure what your end game is but. . .
You are embarrassing yourself.
Hahahaha! Seriously? You are not talking about reopening schools and what is going to happen on our campuses. You are talking about how the data does not justify mitigation strategies to slow the spread of the virus and closing schools for any reason. I'm on board. You don't have to convince me.GAC06 said:
I'm talking about reopening schools. You can't seem to shut up about politics. Put me on ignore, take a break, or do whatever it takes to stop derailing the thread with your ridiculous political rant.
I started this thread. I know what the original intent was and it was not to have a "political" battle of wits with an internet tough guy.
So, no. You are not the internet police, and I will not ignore you
Simply having a conversation about how we will navigate instruction during this time and what districts in Texas and other states are contemplating is not propagating fear. Your attempts to derail the tread with reasons why districts should not attempt to slow the spread are irrelevant to this discussion. This thread is about what is going to happen not if it should happen. No sure what your end game is but. . .
You are embarrassing yourself.
1:25p, 7/7/20
It looks like Trump has decided that reopening schools is important to his re-election chances. So you guys can probably stop arguing over whether this is political or not. Welcome to another 2020 ****show.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/07/07/white-house-cdc-pediatricians-reopening-schools-350655
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/07/07/white-house-cdc-pediatricians-reopening-schools-350655
1:59p, 7/7/20
In reply to amercer
I quickly looked at that article, no references to any stats at all, when there are plenty of global statistics on schools reopening.......wonder why they didn't feel the need to add stats.
2:03p, 7/7/20
In reply to amercer
Because Politico is against Trump and did not pay attention to what the CDC director suggested today. That is why a lot of people have been posting facts and numbers directly from states or medical experts
amercer said:
It looks like Trump has decided that reopening schools is important to his re-election chances. So you guys can probably stop arguing over whether this is political or not. Welcome to another 2020 ****show.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/07/07/white-house-cdc-pediatricians-reopening-schools-350655
Because Politico is against Trump and did not pay attention to what the CDC director suggested today. That is why a lot of people have been posting facts and numbers directly from states or medical experts
2:06p, 7/7/20
You guys are missing the point. If the president decides its a political issue, then it is one. And none of the stats matter anymore. That's the problem.
Now when the CDC says it's safe to open schools, half the country won't believe it.
Reopening schools should be the most apolitical issue out there. But it's not anymore.
Now when the CDC says it's safe to open schools, half the country won't believe it.
Reopening schools should be the most apolitical issue out there. But it's not anymore.
2:10p, 7/7/20
In reply to kjcAg
33% response rate. That seems low, but maybe that is the norm across the state. I find this first stat to be almost unbelievable
"Just over three-quarters (76%) of participants said the online learning opportunities provided to their child(ren) this past spring were valuable or somewhat valuable."
Unless Katy just really did an outstanding job on online.....
Boerne ISD is generally on top of things, I would not rate our online experience as either of those two, and that's no knock on Boerne, just the reality of doing it ad hoc with 2 weeks to prepare.
"Just over three-quarters (76%) of participants said the online learning opportunities provided to their child(ren) this past spring were valuable or somewhat valuable."
Unless Katy just really did an outstanding job on online.....
Boerne ISD is generally on top of things, I would not rate our online experience as either of those two, and that's no knock on Boerne, just the reality of doing it ad hoc with 2 weeks to prepare.
2:24p, 7/7/20
Cy Fair just had a special meeting.
In person and at home will be the options. Every student gets a Chromebook.
In person and at home will be the options. Every student gets a Chromebook.
2:35p, 7/7/20
In reply to tylercsbn9
Is that official? In person as one of the options?
tylercsbn9 said:
Cy Fair just had a special meeting.
In person and at home will be the options. Every student gets a Chromebook.
Is that official? In person as one of the options?
2:38p, 7/7/20
In reply to jenn96
Unless the State comes in and shuts it down, they are preparing for in person instruction. What that exactly looks like is unknown...jenn96 said:tylercsbn9 said:
Cy Fair just had a special meeting.
In person and at home will be the options. Every student gets a Chromebook.
Is that official? In person as one of the options?
2:50p, 7/7/20
In reply to jenn96
ETA: parents that don't feel comfortable sending their kids can utilize the at home option. Just hope the in person is full 5 days a week and not some hybrid crap but I suspect it will be 5 days a week or they likely would have mentioned the hybrid model already.
Yes. It was mentioned in the special session at noon today along with the Chromebook purchases.jenn96 said:tylercsbn9 said:
Cy Fair just had a special meeting.
In person and at home will be the options. Every student gets a Chromebook.
Is that official? In person as one of the options?
ETA: parents that don't feel comfortable sending their kids can utilize the at home option. Just hope the in person is full 5 days a week and not some hybrid crap but I suspect it will be 5 days a week or they likely would have mentioned the hybrid model already.
2:56p, 7/7/20
In reply to tylercsbn9
Thanks. That's great news. My kids need in person; even a truncated schedule is a huge improvement over anything online. They are elementary (2nd & 5th) so that's just great news.
3:08p, 7/7/20
In reply to jenn96
Yeah I have an 8 grader at Smith. At home just doesn't work well for him. I have a kindergartener at one of the Bridgeland schools. I'd hate for him to to learn at home. My wife teaches at the same school and she's ready to be back in person.
jenn96 said:
Thanks. That's great news. My kids need in person; even a truncated schedule is a huge improvement over anything online. They are elementary (2nd & 5th) so that's just great news.
Yeah I have an 8 grader at Smith. At home just doesn't work well for him. I have a kindergartener at one of the Bridgeland schools. I'd hate for him to to learn at home. My wife teaches at the same school and she's ready to be back in person.
3:15p, 7/7/20
In reply to planoaggie123
I completely understand that. I would feel the same way she does if in that situation. I hate that stipulation that was mandated by TEA.
Edited to add: Now that I've read the entire thread, maybe I'm wrong that TEA mandated synchronous instruction. If not, I don't understand why that would be a requirement.
Edited to add: Now that I've read the entire thread, maybe I'm wrong that TEA mandated synchronous instruction. If not, I don't understand why that would be a requirement.
3:25p, 7/7/20
In reply to Bassmaster
UIL is supposed to be releasing guidance along with TEA on Friday
Bassmaster said:
Anyone hearing rumors of official guidance from the state coming down Friday?
UIL is supposed to be releasing guidance along with TEA on Friday
3:47p, 7/7/20
Just saw nine pages of guidelines. Fairly comfortable except for self screening. And opening windows wll be interesting in Texas heat