Treating it like the flu, basically.
MouthBQ98 said:
Treating it like the flu, basically.
Irwin M. Fletcher said:
Just because SARS- CoV isn't as contagious as SARS-CoV2 doesn't explain why it went away. It explains why this one became a pandemic worldwide as opposed to SARS but not the other.
The answer is we don't know, but it is likely that immunity to SARS-CoV-2 will be longer lasting than the flu which mutates and sort of interbreeds with other strains of flu much more quickly than coronaviruses have been known to do. An infection and recovery from SARS-CoV-2 will likely give immunity for at least a year and likely much longer than that. Possibly permanently.Irwin M. Fletcher said:
Have a question for the docs and researchers on this thread. I have seen a lot of thought leaders stating that this could become a seasonal issue, with an uptick in cases come in the fall. Thus reservations about getting back to a true normal for a while. My question is why did SARS- CoV that caused SARS go away after its first outbreak? Also the same for MERS, these were also coronavirus'. I just want someone on here with knowledge of all these viruses explain why they expect this virus to behave differently once the first wave is put down. Not doubting that that will be the case, I just wanted some clarification. Thank you for your work!
And if the answer is we don't really know at this point, then my question is why did SARS-CoV just die off to never return after its initial outbreak?
Once again it does not explain why it went away. You have explained what kept it from becoming a worldwide pandemic. You used Ebola as an example, but Ebola still exists, it did not go away, although it is fairly easy to contain. SARS-CoV does not exist right now.John Francis Donaghy said:Irwin M. Fletcher said:
Just because SARS- CoV isn't as contagious as SARS-CoV2 doesn't explain why it went away. It explains why this one became a pandemic worldwide as opposed to SARS but not the other.
Sure it does. Less contagious = easier to contain. And of you can contain it before it spreads worldwide, you can eradicate it.
It's also generally easier to contain faster acting and more lethal viruses like Ebola. Not a lot of people get infected woth Ebola and manage to jet set around the world for a week while contagious with it. They get it, they get sick, and they either die or recover in pretty much the same place they got it. Not much time to infect others unless they're the ones taking care of the sick. Which brings us back to the conclusion above: easier to contain = easier to eradicate.
See my post above yours. Also it didn't go away. It could still jump back to people from animals and cause another outbreak, but we will probably be able to contain it again using the same strategies.Irwin M. Fletcher said:Once again it does not explain why it went away. You have explained what kept it from becoming a worldwide pandemic. You used Ebola as an example, but Ebola still exists, it did not go away, although it is fairly easy to contain. SARS-CoV does not exist right now.John Francis Donaghy said:Irwin M. Fletcher said:
Just because SARS- CoV isn't as contagious as SARS-CoV2 doesn't explain why it went away. It explains why this one became a pandemic worldwide as opposed to SARS but not the other.
Sure it does. Less contagious = easier to contain. And of you can contain it before it spreads worldwide, you can eradicate it.
It's also generally easier to contain faster acting and more lethal viruses like Ebola. Not a lot of people get infected woth Ebola and manage to jet set around the world for a week while contagious with it. They get it, they get sick, and they either die or recover in pretty much the same place they got it. Not much time to infect others unless they're the ones taking care of the sick. Which brings us back to the conclusion above: easier to contain = easier to eradicate.
Being in the hemorrhagic fever family of diseases I'm pretty sure Ebola is not asymptomatic. Bleeding from all your orifices is usually a sure sign something is wrong.John Francis Donaghy said:Irwin M. Fletcher said:
Just because SARS- CoV isn't as contagious as SARS-CoV2 doesn't explain why it went away. It explains why this one became a pandemic worldwide as opposed to SARS but not the other.
Sure it does. Less contagious = easier to contain. And of you can contain it before it spreads worldwide, you can eradicate it.
It's also generally easier to contain faster acting and more lethal viruses like Ebola. Not a lot of people get infected woth Ebola and manage to jet set around the world for a week while contagious with it. They get it, they get sick, and they either die or recover in pretty much the same place they got it. Not much time to infect others unless they're the ones taking care of the sick. Which brings us back to the conclusion above: easier to contain = easier to eradicate.
MouthBQ98 said:
It apparent wasn't as highly contagious and easily transmissible as this version. They use a bit different infectious mechanism.
AggiePeeps06 said:
Here's a question for the doctors on here. I had severe asthma as a child but haven't had any issues or attacks since I was in probably 5th or 6th grade. I'm 34 now. My parents and siblings are all wanting to get together for Easter, but we're hesitant out of concern for our health and theirs. We've been in lockdown with our young family for Almost a month. Am I considered high risk if I had asthma as a child but asymptomatic since? Does asthma stay present in your lungs even with no symptoms?
Thanks in advance!
No one really knows the answer, but the virus is known experimentally (in the lab) to thrive at cooler temperatures and lower humidity. Most other coronaviruses typically peak in incidence during the fall/winter cold and flu season and it is likely this virus will behave similarly. However, since this particular disease is new to science, we can't really say anything with certainty.Lester Freamon said:
Doc, what have you heard on the seasonality of this bug?
Reveille said:
Today's post!
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I'm not Doc Rev, but I'll tell you this guy is missing the forest for the trees. He is right that this disease will eventually spread throughout the population without a vaccine and we are prolonging the spread by "flattening the curve," but we are doing it so as to not overwhelm the medical capacity of our health care system and allow those who need critical care to have the opportunity to receive it during the entire course of the pandemic.aggiepaintrain said:
doc- you are my go to guy on this, in fact we chatted earlier this week.
what do you think about this?
https://www.wnd.com/2020/04/epidemiologist-coronavirus-exterminated-lockdowns-lifted/
Is Germany really doing poorly? Their per capita numbers seem better than oursBadace52 said:I'm not Doc Rev, but I'll tell you this guy is missing the forest for the trees. He is right that this disease will eventually spread throughout the population without a vaccine and we are prolonging the spread by "flattening the curve," but we are doing it so as to not overwhelm the medical capacity of our health care system and allow those who need critical care to have the opportunity to receive it during the entire course of the pandemic.aggiepaintrain said:
doc- you are my go to guy on this, in fact we chatted earlier this week.
what do you think about this?
https://www.wnd.com/2020/04/epidemiologist-coronavirus-exterminated-lockdowns-lifted/
Italy, Germany, and to a lesser extent New York are examples of what happens if you let this disease run rampant and everyone gets it at once. Now imagine how bad those places would have been if once the disease hit they hadn't locked down. That would have led to the millions of deaths nationwide that were projected early on in the course of this virus. As it stands we may hold deaths to the tens of thousands.
Social distancing is working. If people had listened to this guys advice at the beginning, the toll of this disease would have been astronomical and many in the health care community would have died along with the at risk and elderly. Looking at his picture, I'm not sure he would have fared all that well either.
Thanks for what you do doc. I'm curious to ask...How are those treatments working?AggieMD04 said:
With all of that said - and this may be the most important thing I want to tell you guys - in the ICU, my hospital is using EVERY one of these treatments. Hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, remdesivir, and tocilizumab or sarilumab, are all being used in our ICU. I think you can rest assured that doctors are, in practice, doing everything we can when it comes to aggressively treating sick patients. No one wants to sit and watch patients die with our hands tied behind our backs. That's just simply not in our nature.