**Official Harvey Thread** Updated Staff Warning on OP 1:50 p.m. 8/27

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Rustys-Beef-o-Reeno said:

Ok so water is up to my countertops and isn't going down anytime soon. Let's say worst case scenario my house has 4-5 feet of water in it for 2weeks to a month. 2 story house. At what point does it become unsalvagable? Obviously I can't get in there till the water goes down and at 3 weeks isn't the upstairs going to be ****ed as well with mold and critters etc?

Trying to wrap my head around this stuff and if I can even ever go home again.


It'll obviously be much harder than a day or two of water. But yeah, you might be looking at some issues upstairs too. It'll just take that much longer to dry out once you gut the home. I'd have a mold remediation company give you an all clear once you've had the dehumidifiers do their job.

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Ferris Wheel Allstar said:

Seeing the relief officers go out is pretty awesome.
Loved seeing the emotion on the HPD Asst Chief. It is easy to imagine the cops as emotionless robots doing a job, but they are human too and a lot of those guys have all the same challenges as the people they are out trying to serve and protect.
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No answers. Just T&P
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BarryProfit said:

Anyone know if the houstonian hotel is flooded?
Their FB page says they are closed and not taking reservations. Doesn't say if they flooded though.
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fire09 said:

Who needs help vacuuming and gutting? I've got tools and a shop vac and a couple people ready to go now that we are no longer helping with water rescue. I do not have a generator so we will need some help with power or someone to borrow a generator from. Wanted to throw it out on here before we go sign up somewhere.
I started a separate thread, but anyone looking to volunteer with gutting/remediation can sign up with Second Baptist. http://home.second.org ALSO, anyone who needs/wants help remediating can sign up. All 6 campuses are coordinating, so you can sign up depending on which campus you're closest to.
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Already signed up thanks for posting that. Gotta go back to work Tuesday but we are ready to help out remainder of week and holiday weekend
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third coast.. said:

I also have a generate and power tools for folks to use if they need them. They are socked away in the garage after a move so ill have to dig them out.

Rusty what's the timeline on being allowed back in your house? Is there valuables on the second floor you can retrieve?
i honestly can't say how long it will be. Jeff linhow or whatever his name is that is reporting on the dam releases said that bayou levels could remain the same for weeks while they try to drain the reservoirs. If that holds true then my house will have 4-5 feet of water in it for 2-4 weeks. at that point i don't see how i could save anything and might have to bulldoze. we moved a lot of stuff upstairs like rugs and furniture but are still stuck out of town. we have a few things we would like to retrieve but it looks like i won't be able to get down to houston until saturday or maybe even sunday or monday.

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third coast.. said:

* offer contingent on my wife not going on to labor.
noted
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You're a good dude third coast!

I would love to offer my (limited) services as well to all those in need.
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Another place to volunteer:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10104320747349846&id=37521069
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Rustys-Beef-o-Reeno said:

Ok so water is up to my countertops and isn't going down anytime soon. Let's say worst case scenario my house has 4-5 feet of water in it for 2weeks to a month. 2 story house. At what point does it become unsalvagable? Obviously I can't get in there till the water goes down and at 3 weeks isn't the upstairs going to be ****ed as well with mold and critters etc?

Trying to wrap my head around this stuff and if I can even ever go home again.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/29/harvey-floodwaters-put-houston-reservoirs-in-uncharted-territory.html

"The subdivisions surrounding Addicks and Barker reservoirs will experience flooding for the next "four to five weeks" and last "until October," according to Lindner."
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Sorry man. Can't imagine what you're going through. T&P
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I think that report is referring to neighborhoods behind the dams. At least I hope so.
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https://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=hgx&gage=pptt2

This is what scares me. It appears that they think that the releases are going to stay that way for a while.
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texagpilot said:

I think that report is referring to neighborhoods behind the dams. At least I hope so.
I also think whoever is flooded by the release into buffalo will see the same levels for weeks. The releases will last for months. I guess a lot will depend on if down stream buffalo recedes to be able to handle to controlled discharge closer to the buffalo banks capacity.
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My in-laws are in section VIII as well a block off the bayou. They're 4-5 feet underwater at this point it appears.
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Ducks4brkfast said:

My in-laws are in section VIII as well a block off the bayou. They're 4-5 feet underwater at this point it appears.


Does anybody have a map or image that shows the different numbered sections around and within Barker?
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are you looking for elevation maps?
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No. Trying to figure out where sections 1, 2, 3, etc are located in and around Barker.
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TMoney2007 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

I will second the recommendation of the dehumidifier. Particularly considering that by default the air in the Houston area will be ultimately humid over the next week or so.

Also, another good recommendation I saw was to cut the sheetrock out in 2 foot increments to maximize the replacement sheets. If you flooded to 2.5 feet, cut it at 4ft. Not only do you not have to cut the sheets down (think about it, you are left with 1.5ft to cover 2.5.ft for the remaining piece of rock, but the added benefit of removing insulation and spraying against mold for water that may have wicked up above the water line.
If you are taking out over 4' of drywall, you might as well go to 8'. They will use the same amount of material covering up 6' vs. 8' and there will be a bit more labor hanging it and finishing it.


2' increments will cut material by 25% in your scenario. Labor to tape and float will be same and you just add a 2' cut that take 30 seconds at most.
Then what do they do with the 2' piece? They'll throw away that piece for most of the sheets they hang. You're not going to save money by only cutting to 6'.

I run a drywall company... They'll use the remnants where they can, but most are going to get tossed in the trash.
If you cut 6', couldn't you use 12' boards cut in half?
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Wow! 4-5 weeks of flooding? Are homes even salvageable at that point? How many homes and neighborhoods are going to be affected by the extended releases?
Prayers are with everyone dealing with this.
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Passed a long line of emergency vehicles heading south. I believe they were from Nashville FD.
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I still can't believe subdivisions were allowed to be built below the height of the spillway. I guess no one ever thought it would be needed, but it just seems strange. That, and that development appears to have been allowed right at the base of the spillways. Weird planning all around on that one.
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My coworker and his wife and one year old are trapped in their house on West side of Kirkwood just south of bayou. Trying to get out. Anyone in area with boat? Pls text me 83two 38one 8554
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txaggie_08 said:

I still can't believe subdivisions were allowed to be built below the height of the spillway. I guess no one ever thought it would be needed, but it just seems strange. That, and that development appears to have been allowed right at the base of the spillways. Weird planning all around on that one.


I was thinking about that last night, as well. If land was allowed to be developed inside of the earthen dams and below the elevation of said dams, why weren't those homeowners required to purchase flood insurance? It doesn't make sense and I'd be surprised if lawsuits aren't filed.
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Should be lawsuits filed for sure. I just wonder if homes aren't salvageable and no flood insurance how many homeowners will just walk away from their homes or declare bankruptcy. Ugh. Makes me so sad thinking about it.
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txaggie_08 said:

I still can't believe subdivisions were allowed to be built below the height of the spillway. I guess no one ever thought it would be needed, but it just seems strange. That, and that development appears to have been allowed right at the base of the spillways. Weird planning all around on that one.

I heard some discussion the ACOE took a pretty strong position against any residential development in the area, but I don't know if thats truthful or just rumor given everything thats happening right now.
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I still can't believe subdivisions were allowed to be built below the height of the spillway. I guess no one ever thought it would be needed, but it just seems strange. That, and that development appears to have been allowed right at the base of the spillways. Weird planning all around on that one.
Well, just like the folks clamoring for us to build and design to 1000-year flood events, these areas sat there for a long time, never being needed, and along the way, people said "hey, this never fills up with water, why do we need it? So many houses could be built here..."
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whitebread_1 said:

Should be lawsuits filed for sure. I just wonder if homes aren't salvageable and no flood insurance how many homeowners will just walk away from their homes or declare bankruptcy. Ugh. Makes me so sad thinking about it.


This is a big concern I've been thinking about, wondering what kind of an impact this is going to have on the economy.
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TurboAg2012 said:

My coworker and his wife and one year old are trapped in their house on West side of Kirkwood just south of bayou. Trying to get out. Anyone in area with boat? Pls text me 83two 38one 8554
I put it on the cajun navy app. Register on Houstonharveyrescue.com

We have friends running boats and they said that was the fastest way to get help
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So I am hearing a narrative on another board I visit for fantasy football. They have a similar large Houston group and there is a guy that's part of some of the industrial planning teams dealing with power mostly though.

What's coming out is that they think that the actual scope of the issue is probably not as awful as TV makes it look. The city has 4M residents and maybe at most 75k homes are impacted with water, and that number could be more like 35k. (Do not shoot messenger, this data could be way way off)

Either way in a situation where you have affected homes < MLS inventory it won't create some huge housing crisis. A big cleanup effort but recoverable.

Bigger issue will be the filthy water creating a health hazard short and long term and whether flood plains need to be re-evaluated.

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txaggie_08 said:

I still can't believe subdivisions were allowed to be built below the height of the spillway. I guess no one ever thought it would be needed, but it just seems strange. That, and that development appears to have been allowed right at the base of the spillways. Weird planning all around on that one.
I can remember taking an engineering geology course from Norm Tilford (RIP) and he took us on a field trip to El Paso to a stormwater retention dam situated on the side of the mountains out there. We stood on the spillway as Norm explained that planners had known about the risk of flash floods coming down the mountainside water shed for decades...and the dam we were standing on had been in the planning maps for decades. It was built to hold back a 20-yr storm event and then would overflow over a concrete spillway and allow water to continue down the mountain. Then he turned us around to face downhill and we could see approximately 500 homes built immediately downstream of the dam...built AFTER the dam was built, with the closest only about 200-300 yards downstream of the spillway. Norm explained to us that the developers knew in explicit detail what would happen to that subdivision when the dam overtopped. He explained that city leaders and planners knew what would happen. He explained that realtors selling those houses knew what would happen. And then he explained that when the inevitable happened, that we would all get to watch on live TV as the governor stood in the aftermath of the flood and told us how the state or the federal government was going to spend millions of our tax dollars to help these poor unfortunate people recover from this terrible "unforeseeable" natural disaster. A natural disaster that he was standing there with us foreseeing.

Now an 800-1000 year storm in Houston and a 20 year storm frequency in El Paso are completely different, but I think the state needs to take a look at how we allow development in risky situations like that. I would be in favor of allowing liability to carry back over to developers if they failed to disclose potential hazards to residents buying from them. Obviously you can't make that kind of thing retroactive, but you could at least make new development be considered more carefully. I can't help but look at all the homes built in low lying former rice fields south and west of Houston and wonder why anybody is surprised at all that we are seeing widespread flooding there? I know in Fairfield, the subdivision has numerous small faults running across residential lots. I had a friend looking to buy there that asked the developer for a map of which lots had faults, and he was flat out told there were no faults in Fairfield. The sales agent for the developer lied to his face and continued to lie, even when told that my friend knew it was a lie. We should not allow developers to walk away unscathed from those kinds of situations where they are fully aware of a hazard and refuse to disclose it to buyers. Needless to say, my friend bought a house elsewhere.
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