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How about we take the angels.
Lost 2 of 3 to the mets. Lost 2 of 3 to the marlines. Lost 2 of 3 to the braves. Got swept by the dodgers.

Man thats some more AL domination there by you guys. Losing 9 of 13 to nl teams, great job. Next...

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wow....talk about the all time in getting called out....since the angels were 12-6 against the NL i figured this line to be a little fishy....

the angels actually won the series against AT atlanta, AT new york AND Vs. florida. AND SWEPT THE DODGERS....did you get confused what the W and L stand for??? hahahahaha this is your proof that the angels suck...that they only went 9-3 against the teams that you cited. WOW

by the way the a's and mariners both had winning records against the NL and the rangers were .500 (with the majority of all games being played against the NL east the hrdest of the NL's divisions) should i just assume you came up with the a's W-L out of your a** or call you out on some more as well?

Call me out? Your claiming that a team that didnt make the postseason is better then a team thats in the world series. You can try to come up with every stat or power ranking you want, but that is probably one of the dumber things ive heard.

ok...

one of the dumbest things i have ever heard is confusing a W for an L

to each his own...

chi sox in 4......

Making a simple mistake VS Claiming that a team that finished 4 games under .500 and finished 3rd in their own divison is better then a team in the world series? Umm yeah..

honestly....what do you think the rangers record would be in the NL central....

what do you think the stros would have done in the AL west??

i think ESPN got it right....houston in the AL west in my opinion is a below .500 team

Well i guess thats your opinion then.

Enjoy the off season.

I'm a Ranger fan who was pulling for the Astros... this was the year you could do it. Clemens is done! No way you can get back to the WS with him gone..........

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...and out come the Rangers fans again, y'all have been supiciously absent since the 8th inning

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I've enjoyed this series immensely. Great baseball.

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That being said I will not give up on the 'Stros until this thing is officially over.

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Reference Inning #5

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actually it was more directed towards teams that talk trash about teams that are in the world series, when they couldnt even come close, and have never come close in their entire history. imagine if the cowboys were in the playoffs and they choked one game and texans fans made fun of them. it would be just as idiotic.

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You must not have hung around the football board much when the Cowboys made the playoffs a few years back and lost to the Panthers. I love it when fans think that their fans don't stoop to certain levels.


As for who is the better team -- the Astros are obviously the better team, but naturally if we had signed Pettitte and he convinced his good friend Roger to pitch here we'd be the better team. Thats just the way it works.

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With a 2 run loss, a 1 run loss, and an extra inning loss, the Astros are basically 1 run a game worse than the White Sox, being almost even. If you think the Rangers are better than the Astros, then you are saying they are basically even with the White Sox, who finished 20 games better than you in the AL and went 7-1 against teams that also finished above you?

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A team that is 1 run a game worse than another team is incredibly significant in baseball. You'd have about 5 different teams in the playoffs had certain teams not been "1 run a game better".


Again, for the record, I don't think the Rangers are as good as the Astros -- but you switch one pitcher from one team to another and there is very little gap.

Colleyville, go suck a **** like the rest of your loser Rangers buds. You obviously have NO idea about baseball or sports in general and are an absolute embarrasment to this board.

Why respond to ColleyvilleAG? There is no arguement for people that are just stupid.

I think its funny how an idiot Ranger troll can suck you all in like that. Of course any Ranger fan on this board with any baseball sense knows that the Astros are better. We all watched the Rangers lose like always in August while the Astros kept winning and won their way to a pennant.

However, I do agree with mhayden though. Moving just one of your three workhorses over to the Rangers rotation and the race for which team is better becomes much harder to determine.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way, so the Rangers are stuck with their anemic rotation.

To the off season!

[This message has been edited by Bob Ross (edited 10/26/2005 8:57a).]

What a retarded thread.

On a side note: Why don't the Rangers ever get any pitching? This is their problem every year.

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If you were a hot dog, would you eat yourself?

It must just be because they don't know they need pitching.

Amazing how it seems like the Texas owner and the Colorado owner are oblivious to the fact that they need pitching...

... or maybe its difficult to get pitching to come there.

While I agree that signing top level pitching to come pitch in the BiA is a challenge, it seems like management doesn't even try. Who was the last big name pitcher the Rangers went after? Chan Ho?

Even with the previous ownership, what pitchers were ever brought to play. Wetteland? An over the hill Nolan? An aging Charlie Hough?

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or maybe its difficult to get pitching to come there.

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That's the problem:

1. Hitters' ballpark
2. Tom Hicks

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While I agree that signing top level pitching to come pitch in the BiA is a challenge, it seems like management doesn't even try. Who was the last big name pitcher the Rangers went after? Chan Ho?

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Any big name pitcher that has been on the market. It's not like that if the Rangers just choose to go after an arm they will come to Texas. And publically making your bid only allows players to use our offer to drive other offers up (ie Carlos Delgado).

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Even with the previous ownership, what pitchers were ever brought to play. Wetteland? An over the hill Nolan? An aging Charlie Hough?

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The previous stadium wasn't any less a hitter's park than TBiA.

Again, look at Colorado. You think they are run by a bunch of idiots? They've tried to lure big name free agent pitching as well, best they could do was Mike Hampton on a ridiculous contract. Fact of the matter is a pitcher lowers his free market worth by coming to Texas as his ERA will inflate by at least a run. Why would anyone go to a place where their value will decrease?

Rangers are doing what they need to do -- draft and develop pitchers of their own. This takes time.

>>i hate the stros, but i do admire their overachieving efforts<<

I can agree fully with that.

And say that while I thought hiring Garner last year wasn't a very smart move then, I was wrong. However, the stros need to learn to win in the first half of the year. Doesn't really matter much if you are getting to the series, but it makes that path easier.

in the response to the name calling against me earlier in the thread (bc thats really all it was) that i havent had a chance to respond to.....

Its not that I think the rangers are a great team....its more that i wholeheartedly think that the astros and the rest of the NL are absolutely terrible. And i have seen very little over the previous two years to go against this.

and also....of course i acknowledge the rangers have serious flaws at pitching...but i think the astros flaws at hitting outweigh them, and before you get all gripy about pitching wins championships... 2 points

1) im not talking about championships, i'm talking about who is the better team, and since neither team is going to win the world series, then the ability to win it all doesnt really matter because both teams are out.

2) The astros all year have had terrible [EDIT: hitting], the rangers at times this year (and not just for stretches of a few games or weeks but for huge chunks of the season) have had average to good pitching. Obviously when they lost 4 out of their opening day 5 starting pitchers it became a little bit harder to compete at the end but having one of the top 3 offenses in baseball outweighs or nullifys this IMO........just like having a top 3 rotation in all of baseball outwieghs having one of the worst offenses in baseball....until you play an AL team that can hit...

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ColleyvilleAg- I agree that the AL is the better league talent wise right now and has been for about a decade, but that doesn't mean the top teams of the NL are horrible or that the league as the whole is. The NL was considered the superior league talent wise in from the '50s into the '80s, yet the AL won their fair share of World Series.

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What in gods name are you talking about? They have had the lowest team ERA in all of baseball this year and are in the top 5 in just about every catagory there is. The have the best starting 3 man rotation in the bigs, with one of the best closers in the game and 2 of the better setup men in the mlb's. Where are you getting this stuff?

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Surely he didn't mean to actually say that.

And much like the Cubs fans disavowed association with the gigemhowdywhoop guy, as do Rangers fans with this clown.

Yeah everyone now realizes that the Astros just made it to the World Series out of luck. They are a sub-par team that went on hot streak towards the end. Everyone said they were going to win but before they said that they didn't see how well the Sox were playing. I knew for the get go that the Sox were going to win in either 4 or 5 and after last night's game you can say it is over. Backe is going to try to win one but he is going to be so pumped that his pitches are going to be wild and he gets pulled around the 5th inning. So moral victory for the Astros and a World Series Championship for the White Sox.
GO SOX !!!!!!!

It's often said that "good pitching beats good hitting." And if you disagree with that, take it up with Sparky Anderson. But be prepared; he knows a little bit about the game.

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wow, you just lost what little credibility you had with that post. even the most die hard rangers fan could admit the astros had one of the best rotations(probably the best first 3 pitchers with the exception of the white sox) in baseball. you are a complete idiot.

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yes.....i did mean to put hitting rather than pitching...obviously....

i said earlier in my post that houston had great pitching and a terrible offense, it was a mistake in my summation but use a little bit of context clues.

And bullard your the first to call out that mistake?? after what you tried to cite in this same thread....hahaha.......

So, ColleyvilleAg, winning the league championship doesn't matter? Perhaps you are knew to baseball tradition, but winning the pennant, i.e. your league, is an accomplishment and is a championship. Whether you like it or not the Astros have won a championship this year. That is what is so great about the separation of the leagues.

Of course you are so biased that everything out of your mouth is total BS and you prove my point that there are no real baseball fans in DFW. I lived there for 2.5 years and I met no one that followed baseball everyday. I met people that went to Rangers games, but no one that loved baseball.

sure there is some importance attached to a LCS.... but i think it is stupid to go around bragging about it just as it would be for a high school to brag about their junior varsity won state or whatever.....i guess it really matters a little bit but at the same time nobody cares. Especially when at least 5 teams in the AL could have done the same thing. How silly would it be for the nets or sixers or pacers be to brag about winning the eastern conference a couple years ago only to get embarassed at the real series???

of course i guess that is your bias too.....to think that you compete on the same level as the AL..... everybody has bias i am not denying that i have one but to accuse someone in this scenerio of it is pretty retarded when you are displaying your own bias by talking about how great the stros are.

ok let me see if i follow this idiot's logic. last year the texans finished 7-9 in what was probably the hardest division in the nfl. by colleyville's logic, it would be ok for them to make fun of the eagles for losing the super bowl because the eagles played in the worst division in football last year.

dallas fans you need to call this guy out. he's making all the actual dallas fans look bad.

if you think the texans could have won the NFC championship then yes....READING COMPREHENSION.... if your team is better then yes i think its ok to talk smack even if the team you are better than won a weaker conference. If it comes that the percieved weaker team pulls an upset and ends up winning it all its time to eat some crow but that is not the case here.

Forget about the astros for a second do you honestly not see how it is ok for this scenerio to be ok: in 2002 in the NBA....it would be ok for a multitude of teams to still talk smack about the nets even though they made the finals (and got swept). For example teams 1-7 or 8 probably would have had very little trouble getting through the terrible east. The rangers....who are probably the 6th or 7th best team in the AL are probably still better than the astros....and hate to tell you but the astros are doing very little to hold the NL flag.


By the way...i just wanted to tell you how awesome this is that a thread designed only to poke a little fun at the houston fans has drawn so many in for 24 hours hahaha

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Probablies don't count sweetheart.

We made the WS and you can have your moral victory parade.

haha

do you even know what a moral victory is???

sorry...the rangers arent probably the 6th or 7th..they are....im not saying they are great.....im saying the astros and the NL sucks....for the 200th time....

C'ville is in 3rd grade.

keep thinking that sweetheart, while your team sits at home for the 45th year in a row

Take the Silver Boot; it's a fake rivalry anyway. Dallasites had such ***** envy for Astros fans who didn't give a damn they existed, that MLB needed to create a rivalry.

You are not a rival. You will never be a rival. You are the same as the Seattle Mariners, but more annoying because they don't have ***** envy.

did i say i think its a great rivalry???

why does everyone on here resort to putting words in my mouth??

i dont care about the NL either and that includes the astros.....i think it is great when the better team puts the pretenders in their place and i just started this to get a few people riled up, congrats you took the bait.