Trying to get three in a row which hasn't been done.

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/grapevine-baseball-ineligible-player-uil-investigation-forfeits-playoffs/

Anyone with an insiders view? Was this a dispute tied to residency? The article doesn't seem to say why he was disqualified.

cevans_40 said:

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DWren said:

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I'm all for accountability but the UIL is taking away something some of those kids will never get back.

The ineligible player cannot participate , the coach , administrators etc are suspended, reprimanded whatever .
Removing the entire team from the playoffs , I don't agree with.
Hell of a way for players , especially seniors to go out considering they did nothing wrong

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What about the team they kept out of the postseason because they cheated?

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If it was due to a grade, forfeit the games the player played in when he was ineligible and guarantee Grapevine still makes the playoffs. They were 12-0 and the last team that didn't make the playoffs was 5-7.
Of it was due to a transfer student playing then nobody can really take that serious because the UIL is so ignorant and inconsistent on their transfer rules it's comical. A kid in Houston parents moved , and the UIL ruled the kid was ineligible his senior year because they had a " gut feeling" the move was athletics related.
Thats the BS you get with the UIL

UIL is about to be throwing out the rulebook next year thanks to TEFA.

Ive been bombarded woth ads for "accredited" private schools that are 99% focused on athletics. Residency requirements dont really matter for private schools. For example, you live in Bryan, your kids' private school could be in CS away from Bryan ISD.

Private schools and homeschools can compete in UIL atheletics. So its only a matter of time that these schools drain the best athletes.

PhatMack19 said:

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Good to see Lale is still at it. It's probably just a big misunderstanding like all of the other times he was caught.

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TheBonifaceOption said:

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UIL is about to be throwing out the rulebook next year thanks to TEFA.

Ive been bombarded woth ads for "accredited" private schools that are 99% focused on athletics. Residency requirements dont really matter for private schools. For example, you live in Bryan, your kids' private school could be in CS away from Bryan ISD.

Private schools and homeschools can compete in UIL atheletics. So its only a matter of time that these schools drain the best athletes.

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Can homeschool teams compete in UIL? I didn't think they could.

And as for private schools, as I understand it they have to go 6A and are under some other requirements too. As far as I know there's only a handful of private schools that compete in UIL. The biggest name being Strake Jesuit.

The Bennett School which has causes quite the kerfuffle as a private "school" seems to be making the biggest stink. They're a baseball-only academy and while they have played public schools I don't believe they're competing in UIL or plan to.

TarponChaser said:

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TheBonifaceOption said:

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UIL is about to be throwing out the rulebook next year thanks to TEFA.

Ive been bombarded woth ads for "accredited" private schools that are 99% focused on athletics. Residency requirements dont really matter for private schools. For example, you live in Bryan, your kids' private school could be in CS away from Bryan ISD.

Private schools and homeschools can compete in UIL atheletics. So its only a matter of time that these schools drain the best athletes.

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Can homeschool teams compete in UIL? I didn't think they could.

And as for private schools, as I understand it they have to go 6A and are under some other requirements too. As far as I know there's only a handful of private schools that compete in UIL. The biggest name being Strake Jesuit.

The Bennett School which has causes quite the kerfuffle as a private "school" seems to be making the biggest stink. They're a baseball-only academy and while they have played public schools I don't believe they're competing in UIL or plan to.

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Homeschool kids teams do not compete in UIL. They do play UIL teams in pre district games/tournaments. As of right now there only 2 private schools in the state that play UIL. Strake Jesuit and Dallas Jesuit. They have to play 6A. I don't know what Dallas Jesuit's enrollment is but Strake's is 1500+ boys. So if they had girls they would have been 6A anyway.

TarponChaser said:

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DWren said:

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Of it was due to a transfer student playing then nobody can really take that serious because the UIL is so ignorant and inconsistent on their transfer rules it's comical. A kid in Houston parents moved , and the UIL ruled the kid was ineligible his senior year because they had a " gut feeling" the move was athletics related.
Thats the BS you get with the UIL

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Yeah, the UIL is about as consistent as the NCAA on this stuff but there are still clear rules and, if what is alleged to have occurred, did occur then it's an open & shut case where they claimed residency in the district but didn't actually do so.

Normally this transfer stuff is a family getting an apartment or renting a house zoned to the school but not actually living there and from what I can surmise, this is what happened with Grapevine.

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People say stuff like this (the bolded part) but often, it actually has little to do with the UIL.

It isn't that the UIL is inconsistent; it is that the situations are dealt with inconsistently at the lower levels. First, most incidents like this aren't reported. They involve transfer issues and the school that "lost" the transfer doesn't do anything because they have benefitted from less than legal transfers themselves. When a player transfers schools, the former school must fill out what is call a PAF (or PAPF, I can't remember -- Previous Athletic Participation). It asks, "did the student transfer for athletic purposes?"). If the form alleges a transfer for athletic purposes, and the kid isn't benched, then the new school is usually brought before the District Committee to decide how to proceed.

If you think the way Congress makes decisions can be sleazy, they don't have anything on these DACs. Everyone on there from different schools know each other and often used to work with each other. "Vote in my favor this time and I'll support you when you come up..." is almost always the way business gets done. If it isn't that or something like it, it is a revenge vote based on a previous matter.

Second, UIL only gets involved at the state level if someone appeals the district decision. I think in this case, it wasn't school-on-school related but a report from someone else. Thus it probably went directly to the district committee.

Again, UIL has some big problems and needs serious reform, and the way things work in these cases may be one of those areas of reform, but you can't say they aren't consistent on these issues without further evidence of actions at the STATE level that don't make sense. Just saying XYZ high got away with a transfer last year and GV got nailed this year isn't an indictment of UIL's consistency.

TarponChaser said:

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According to folks I know have knowledge of the situation, it was 3 kids. They claimed residency last summer and it was accepted by the school and UIL. However, they never actually resided in the district and were ineligible due to residency rules. Allegedly, a disgruntled parent who's kid lost out on PT (or maybe a spot on varsity) turned the team in.

What is known is that Jorvorskie Lane, Jr. IS NOT one of the kids who was ineligible, contrary to some of the rumors going around.

Allegedly this was in large part connected to one parent who has 2 kids on the team who's been known as a sleazy youth coach for a long time. If you're at all aware of travel ball in Texas you'll know who I'm talking about.

And the idea that the kids didn't know is preposterous. Kids ALL know that stuff.

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Sounds like karma for the sleazy coach

TarponChaser said:

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And the idea that the kids didn't know is preposterous. Kids ALL know that stuff.

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And do what exactly? They're screwed without recourse.

They aren't selling a house and moving to play 2 months of baseball. They report before the season and have no season (if they knew). They find out and report during the season and get disqaulified and screwed as well.

In what way exactly does the scenario not screw the kids that were elegible?

TarponChaser said:

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TheBonifaceOption said:

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Private schools and homeschools can compete in UIL atheletics. So its only a matter of time that these schools drain the best athletes.

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Can homeschool teams compete in UIL? I didn't think they could.

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It's a very new thing -- from the state's perspective, there is no difference between private schools and homeschool, they're all classified as private schools.

If memory serves, in order for homeschoolers to join a UIL team, the student has to take a test to ensure their academics follow the rules.

TarponChaser said:

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PhatMack19 said:

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Good to see Lale is still at it. It's probably just a big misunderstanding like all of the other times he was caught.

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He looks exactly how I expected him to look.

It's been interesting watching J Lane sr. response to all of this. Jr. did transfer from Fort Worth school to Grapevine in August and even Sr. Is saying he isn't sure if he is one of the 3 in question. Don't think those names will be released. More interesting seeing how Jr and Sr have no relationship and Jr refusing to acknowledge Sr, even turning around and walking away at a recent baseball game in Louisiana. Family commenting how would sr expect anything different after being absent with no support over the years. Lots of back and forth on Facebook live. My take is he was probably one of the 3.

Lady Aravis said:

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trouble said:

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Hell, we don't even play travel ball and I know his name

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That's because you know everyone and everything.

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Cuz I'm always listening and for some reason, people tell me stuff

dirkjones said:

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It's been interesting watching J Lane sr. response to all of this. Jr. did transfer from Fort Worth school to Grapevine in August and even Sr. Is saying he isn't sure if he is one of the 3 in question. Don't think those names will be released. More interesting seeing how Jr and Sr have no relationship and Jr refusing to acknowledge Sr, even turning around and walking away at a recent baseball game in Louisiana. Family commenting how would sr expect anything different after being absent with no support over the years. Lots of back and forth on Facebook live. My take is he was probably one of the 3.

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I don't know Lane, Sr. but we have several friends in common (like real life friends not internet friends, including kids who have played with Lane, Jr when they were younger) and from what I hear from the mutual friends regarding the estrangement is that the ex-wife basically left when Lane, Sr.'s NFL career was over and the gravy-train stopped. So she left with the kids and made like he abandoned them to poison that well.

But that's also just one side of the story.

I don't, spill the beans!

He's all about winning. Brings players in from across the country. Makes roster decisions based on which of his big players is coming in when. There's no way you'd let your kid play for him.

Thinks people hate him for winning. Even compares himself to the cowboys and yankees

trouble said:

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He's all about winning. Brings players in from across the country. Makes roster decisions based on which of his big players is coming in when. There's no way you'd let your kid play for him.

Thinks people hate him for winning. Even compares himself to the cowboys and yankees

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There was a podcast last night with this guy and he pretty much said the same about being hated. Lane jr was there with his 2 sons, none of the 3 seemed too upset.