Grapevine Booted from baseball playoffs

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5:20a
Trying to get three in a row which hasn't been done.

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/grapevine-baseball-ineligible-player-uil-investigation-forfeits-playoffs/
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7:31a
I'm all for accountability but the UIL is taking away something some of those kids will never get back.

The ineligible player cannot participate , the coach , administrators etc are suspended, reprimanded whatever .
Removing the entire team from the playoffs , I don't agree with.
Hell of a way for players , especially seniors to go out considering they did nothing wrong
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In reply to DWren • 7:43a
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DWren said:
I'm all for accountability but the UIL is taking away something some of those kids will never get back.

The ineligible player cannot participate , the coach , administrators etc are suspended, reprimanded whatever .
Removing the entire team from the playoffs , I don't agree with.
Hell of a way for players , especially seniors to go out considering they did nothing wrong

What about the team they kept out of the postseason because they cheated?
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Come Out Roll
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In reply to DWren • 7:46a
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DWren said:
I'm all for accountability but the UIL is taking away something some of those kids will never get back.

The ineligible player cannot participate , the coach , administrators etc are suspended, reprimanded whatever .
Removing the entire team from the playoffs , I don't agree with.
Hell of a way for players , especially seniors to go out considering they did nothing wrong

So, you're saying the ONLY people that were in on this fraud (make no mistake, that's what this is) was just the coach and the player himself??
BS….the kid knew, his teammates knew…..they ALL knew, and continued to flaunt the rules…..and keep playing.
No sympathy from me.
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DWren
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In reply to Come Out Roll • 7:56a
Come Out Roll said:
DWren said:
I'm all for accountability but the UIL is taking away something some of those kids will never get back.

The ineligible player cannot participate , the coach , administrators etc are suspended, reprimanded whatever .
Removing the entire team from the playoffs , I don't agree with.
Hell of a way for players , especially seniors to go out considering they did nothing wrong

So, you're saying the ONLY people that were in on this fraud (make no mistake, that's what this is) was just the coach and the player himself??
BS….the kid knew, his teammates knew…..they ALL knew, and continued to flaunt the rules…..and keep playing.
No sympathy from me.


That's incredibly presumptuous to assume the kids knew.
How would they know ? The ineligible player told them?
No they didn't know a player who was ineligible was playing. How would the players know ?
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7:58a
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Anyone with an insiders view? Was this a dispute tied to residency? The article doesn't seem to say why he was disqualified.
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8:04a
I'm grateful they enforced the rule prior to the playoffs. Last year in the soccer playoffs UIL waited until an hour before the state semifinals to disqualify Progresso for having multiple known ineligible players. They beat a few teams that had a shot at the state tournament and they had no recourse. This prevents a similar thing happening two years in a row.
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Very hard to make any assumptions when te article doesn't even say as to why he was ruled ineligible. I am sure the kid and his parent knew exactly what they were doing as well as the coach to a certain extent, but there are too many variable to start throwing stones and accusing anyone outside of the kid's home.

As someone who had their senior year end under a 1st year head coach playing the younger kids and I watched the last out of my senior year happen while in the on deck circle in a game placing the 6th and 7th place teams in the district, I feel for the seniors having their season end in a way they never expected, that $#it sucks.
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In reply to cevans_40 • 8:05a
cevans_40 said:
DWren said:
I'm all for accountability but the UIL is taking away something some of those kids will never get back.

The ineligible player cannot participate , the coach , administrators etc are suspended, reprimanded whatever .
Removing the entire team from the playoffs , I don't agree with.
Hell of a way for players , especially seniors to go out considering they did nothing wrong

What about the team they kept out of the postseason because they cheated?


If it was due to a grade, forfeit the games the player played in when he was ineligible and guarantee Grapevine still makes the playoffs. They were 12-0 and the last team that didn't make the playoffs was 5-7.
Of it was due to a transfer student playing then nobody can really take that serious because the UIL is so ignorant and inconsistent on their transfer rules it's comical. A kid in Houston parents moved , and the UIL ruled the kid was ineligible his senior year because they had a " gut feeling" the move was athletics related.
Thats the BS you get with the UIL
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In reply to DWren • 8:09a
Everything on Facebook seems to indicate the player was using a district address that was not their actual residence and they lived somewhere else entirely. This is blatantly against the UIL rules. It only gets caught when someone reports it. A few pointing at a player that did not make Varsity as the reporting party, but this is all just Facebook comments.
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In reply to DWren • 8:10a
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DWren said:
Come Out Roll said:
DWren said:
I'm all for accountability but the UIL is taking away something some of those kids will never get back.

The ineligible player cannot participate , the coach , administrators etc are suspended, reprimanded whatever .
Removing the entire team from the playoffs , I don't agree with.
Hell of a way for players , especially seniors to go out considering they did nothing wrong

So, you're saying the ONLY people that were in on this fraud (make no mistake, that's what this is) was just the coach and the player himself??
BS….the kid knew, his teammates knew…..they ALL knew, and continued to flaunt the rules…..and keep playing.
No sympathy from me.


That's incredibly presumptuous to assume the kids knew.
How would they know ? The ineligible player told them?
No they didn't know a player who was ineligible was playing. How would the players know ?

OK...let's follow the logic....
1. the ineligible player kept his mouth shut....
2. these are 16-17-18 yr old kids.....
3. THIS IS HIGH SCHOOL

yep, you're right.....these kids would've kept their mouth shut....nobody talks in HS.....
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In reply to DWren • 8:46a
They did forfeit the games the ineligible player played in. And as a result no longer qualified for the playoffs. My guess is the player participated in so many games they fell below the minimum threshold for the postseason.
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9:31a
According to folks I know have knowledge of the situation, it was 3 kids. They claimed residency last summer and it was accepted by the school and UIL. However, they never actually resided in the district and were ineligible due to residency rules. Allegedly, a disgruntled parent who's kid lost out on PT (or maybe a spot on varsity) turned the team in.

What is known is that Jorvorskie Lane, Jr. IS NOT one of the kids who was ineligible, contrary to some of the rumors going around.

Allegedly this was in large part connected to one parent who has 2 kids on the team who's been known as a sleazy youth coach for a long time. If you're at all aware of travel ball in Texas you'll know who I'm talking about.

And the idea that the kids didn't know is preposterous. Kids ALL know that stuff.
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In reply to DWren • 9:33a
DWren said:
Of it was due to a transfer student playing then nobody can really take that serious because the UIL is so ignorant and inconsistent on their transfer rules it's comical. A kid in Houston parents moved , and the UIL ruled the kid was ineligible his senior year because they had a " gut feeling" the move was athletics related.
Thats the BS you get with the UIL


Yeah, the UIL is about as consistent as the NCAA on this stuff but there are still clear rules and, if what is alleged to have occurred, did occur then it's an open & shut case where they claimed residency in the district but didn't actually do so.

Normally this transfer stuff is a family getting an apartment or renting a house zoned to the school but not actually living there and from what I can surmise, this is what happened with Grapevine.
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In reply to TarponChaser • 9:43a
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Good to see Lale is still at it. It's probably just a big misunderstanding like all of the other times he was caught.
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In reply to DWren • 9:58a
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DWren said:
I'm all for accountability but the UIL is taking away something some of those kids will never get back.

The ineligible player cannot participate , the coach , administrators etc are suspended, reprimanded whatever .
Removing the entire team from the playoffs , I don't agree with.
Hell of a way for players , especially seniors to go out considering they did nothing wrong


This can be easily abused. When ineligibles are used intentionally, the goal, obviously, is to win at all costs. Under what you wrote here, that is still possible. Suspensions, reprimands, etc. are of little concern if you win.

If everyone knows the TEAM will get tagged, they (hopefully) will do everything they can to avoid this kind of situation.

Your complaint is with the coaches and the ineligible player; not UIL. I'm not a huge UIL fan (I have a lot of issues myself with how they conduct business), but I get a little tired of people complaining about the enforcement of rules when they didn't say anything about those rules until they were affected by them (or know/became aware of someone who was).

The other, off the record (if you will) thing is this: with respect to ALL HS sports now, if you can't cheat and get away with it, you're STUPID. Illegal transfers and ineligible players happen in just about every school district. I'm not condoning this, of course, but I always wonder how the caught school wasn't able to cover their tracks or politic their way out of this when virtually everyone else has done just that.
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10:20a
UIL is about to be throwing out the rulebook next year thanks to TEFA.

Ive been bombarded woth ads for "accredited" private schools that are 99% focused on athletics. Residency requirements dont really matter for private schools. For example, you live in Bryan, your kids' private school could be in CS away from Bryan ISD.

Private schools and homeschools can compete in UIL atheletics. So its only a matter of time that these schools drain the best athletes.
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In reply to PhatMack19 • 10:34a
PhatMack19 said:
Good to see Lale is still at it. It's probably just a big misunderstanding like all of the other times he was caught.

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In reply to TheBonifaceOption • 10:37a
TheBonifaceOption said:
UIL is about to be throwing out the rulebook next year thanks to TEFA.

Ive been bombarded woth ads for "accredited" private schools that are 99% focused on athletics. Residency requirements dont really matter for private schools. For example, you live in Bryan, your kids' private school could be in CS away from Bryan ISD.

Private schools and homeschools can compete in UIL atheletics. So its only a matter of time that these schools drain the best athletes.


Can homeschool teams compete in UIL? I didn't think they could.

And as for private schools, as I understand it they have to go 6A and are under some other requirements too. As far as I know there's only a handful of private schools that compete in UIL. The biggest name being Strake Jesuit.

The Bennett School which has causes quite the kerfuffle as a private "school" seems to be making the biggest stink. They're a baseball-only academy and while they have played public schools I don't believe they're competing in UIL or plan to.
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