Umpire Ryan Broussard

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Joe Schillaci 48
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The guy who screwed up 1st base on Friday and ejected Lacy on Saturday was suspended from the Sun Belt Conference.

What is happening to SEC umpires? Why are we using these guys?

https://www.theadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/ul/2018/02/28/sun-belt-suspends-umpire-crew-mistakes-ul-cajuns-game/382787002/
ironmanag
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I have read that its getting very hard to get refs, umps, officials in all sports. It is a huge time commitment and doesn't pay well. Maybe this is the best we can grt.
Aggie Class of '97 and '16, Proud father of Aggie classes of '25 and '29
trouble
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We've discussed him on both game threads. SEC has crappy officials. For a while, they had a guy who regularly screwed us over in the Big 12.
Emilio Fantastico
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Someone other than the Yeast infection?
trouble
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Yeah, Mike Morris I think.

Hell, even yeast has a job. He's coordinator of baseball umpires for the WAC
dermdoc
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trouble said:

Yeah, Mike Morris I think.

Hell, even yeast has a job. He's coordinator of baseball umpires for the WAC
Yep. Evidently umpiring is kind of like being a pro coach. You can suck really bad but somebody will always hire you.
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ironmanag said:

I have read that its getting very hard to get refs, umps, officials in all sports. It is a huge time commitment and doesn't pay well. Maybe this is the best we can grt.
The SEC can't do better? Guess then it doesn't mean more
Luke The Drifter
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Officiating in all sports at all levels is progressively getting worse. I used to do it (baseball, volleyball), but got out of it for some of the very reasons mentioned above.

1. The pay is terrible. For the time and effort required, the pay is not at all in line with what other professions pay.

2. The game is getting faster and it's harder and harder to get things right. This isn't a knock on officials, but players today are bigger, faster, stronger, etc. and getting things right like balls/strikes, block/charge, offensive/defensive pass interference is much tougher than it was 20, 30, 40 years ago.

3. Players, coaches, fans, etc. are much more abusive than they used to be. These officials have to put up with a lot of crap at the stadium/arena (admittedly, a lot of it doled out by me), but now they have to put up with crap on social media, message boards, and in their personal life outside of the game. That's tough. I don't know what you guys all do for a living, but when you get off work and go home, I doubt you've got folks on Twitter or TexAgs ripping you apart and tearing you down for everything you did while you were on the clock.

4. There is not much of a true training program for young officials. Granted, if you get to the MLB, NBA, or NFL level, you've put in some work, but high school and college officials are mostly just guys who have stuck around for a long time and, based on longevity and nothing else, have worked their way up the ladder. They're not necessarily better than younger officials...but they've "paid their dues" and get higher level assignments.

5. There's no real accountability, especially in the non-revenue sports like college baseball. The SEC (and other leagues) are so desperate for officials in baseball, softball, volleyball, and other non-money makers, they really can't afford to start suspending every official who isn't an A-level employee. There's just no one any better behind them to take their place.

At the end of the day, it's all about money. If college baseball spent more money on training, salaries, etc., they'd get a better crop of folks interested in doing the job. But as it stands, umpiring is a budget afterthought and not a priority. So essentially, you get what you pay for...and until baseball becomes a money-maker, that's just the way it's going to be.


But those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Isaiah 40:31 (NIV)
dermdoc
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So very true.
Captain Pablo
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Sports officiating is most definitely getting worse

It all starts at the middle school level, and organizations like TASO are having a harder time obtaining, and retaining decent officials...

It's not the pay. Disagree with Luke there. The pay at the middle school And high school level is just fine. You're not supposed to do it for the money at that level anyway. It's not supposed to pay comparably to other professions. It's a hobby, not a job.

It's the abuse that people don't like. Some people handle it fine, most don't like to get screamed at. And while we're talking about lack of accountability on the part of officials, lack of accountability on the part of fans and coaches is a big problem that is the direct cause of a shortage of officials

And make no mistake, when you're not getting good officials at the 7th grade level, eventually you won't get them at the college level, because it all starts on Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday nights

Expect it to get worse
drthoop
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This is why I think the "robo-ump" may be closer than we realize. With the 5G technology it can be done.
Tom Hooper '82,'84,'86---- College Station, Texas
Wicked Good Ag
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The pay for officials is getting better but who are you trying to get is also something that comes into play

I reffed BB and VB for years but in college it was great money. But what happens when those college students get out into the real world. Bosses don't care that you need to leave at 3:00pm twice a week. So you drop out and then maybe get back in later and then the money isn't as good marginally because Out in the real world the extra money is good but time spent away from family,leaving work early, spectator abuse etc makes many people realize it isn't worth it

Playoffs suck as you don't get a bump in pay and have to drive sometimes leaving at 1:00pm to get to the game to arrive home at 1:00am all for one game fee and mileage.

dermdoc
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Captain Pablo said:

Sports officiating is most definitely getting worse

It all starts at the middle school level, and organizations like TASO are having a harder time obtaining, and retaining decent officials...

It's not the pay. Disagree with Luke there. The pay at the middle school And high school level is just fine. You're not supposed to do it for the money at that level anyway. It's not supposed to pay comparably to other professions. It's a hobby, not a job.

It's the abuse that people don't like. Some people handle it fine, most don't like to get screamed at. And while we're talking about lack of accountability on the part of officials, lack of accountability on the part of fans and coaches is a big problem that is the direct cause of a shortage of officials

And make no mistake, when you're not getting good officials at the 7th grade level, eventually you won't get them at the college level, because it all starts on Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday nights

Expect it to get worse


Agree with Luke. If you pay people enough they will stand in line for any job. And yelling at umps has not gotten worse over the years.

And the big problem is ball and strike calls, because at this level where pitchers' command is not at MLB level, shifting strike zone size can determine a game. I agree with Hoop on the computer, laser, or whatever home plate blue. Almost everything else except for balks is reviewable now anyway.
Luke The Drifter
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Captain Pablo said:


It's not the pay. Disagree with Luke there. The pay at the middle school And high school level is just fine. You're not supposed to do it for the money at that level anyway. It's not supposed to pay comparably to other professions. It's a hobby, not a job.


Everything is about the pay. If it's a job, it's about the pay.

Correct that middle school and high school officials are probably paid the correct amount. No, they shouldn't make an hourly wage comparable to a doctor, engineer, accountant, etc. So for a prep school level official, they are probably paid about what they deserve.

HOWEVER, especially in college baseball, volleyball, softball, and other non-revenue sports, officials don't make all that much more money than high school officials do. It's been several years since I officiated, but I could work a high school baseball tourney (heck...or even a city league softball tourney), take a substantial less amount of abuse, spend less time traveling, and make nearly the same amount of money I would make hitting the road and calling a single JUCO baseball game.

Think about college baseball umps working the A&M-Bama series. They got up early Friday morning and traveled from who-knows-where to Tuscaloosa. Then they got to the stadium 2+ hours before the game. Next they worked a 3-hour game, then spent and hour or more after the game in the locker room breaking down their calls and looking to improve for the next game. They probably got to their hotel Friday night (after the rain delay), around 1:00 a.m. Then they had to do it all over again on Saturday...getting to the stadium at noon or before. Oh...and they have to do it all again today...then travel however many hours back home to start their real jobs on Monday morning. And they're doing all of this for less than $500 an a little meal money. I don't know about you, but my time on the weekend with my family, spending time to relax, or possibly traveling and doing something fun is much more valuable than what these umpires are doing. Now...if I make $1000 or $1200 to go to Lexington, Athens, Fayetteville, etc. for the weekend, it would be different.

But those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Isaiah 40:31 (NIV)
backintexas2013
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They make over $500 A GAME. They make almost $1800 for the weekend not including travel.

High school baseball is way underpaid. That's why high school has trouble recruiting and keeping umpires.


I also disagree with dermdoc the abuse at the middle school and high school level has gotten way worse. It's crazy what's going on
dermdoc
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backintexas2013 said:

They make over $500 A GAME. They make almost $1800 for the weekend not including travel.

High school baseball is way underpaid. That's why high school has trouble recruiting and keeping umpires.


I also disagree with dermdoc the abuse at the middle school and high school level has gotten way worse. It's crazy what's going on
I defer to you on that as I have not been to a hs game in a long time. I just do not see a big difference at the college or pro level as I remember Billy Martin, Leo Durocher, etc. Maybe it is just me.
drthoop
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Billy Martin. Damn he was fun to watch. Nice "blast from the past".
Tom Hooper '82,'84,'86---- College Station, Texas
dermdoc
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FWIW, the director of SEC baseball umpires is Paul Guillie. Odd that his email is not on the SEC website but I emailed the SEC requesting it.
dermdoc
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drthoop said:

Billy Martin. Damn he was fun to watch. Nice "blast from the past".
Earl Weaver was a hoot too.
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Agree with Luke. If you pay people enough they will stand in line for any job. And yelling at umps has not gotten worse over the years.



It's gotten worse, just in my life time.

At the high college level and above, every stadium has a big high definition screen and 20 cameras and everyone can find an angle to support their opinion that a call was wrong.

But certainly, online abuse, including the threads some people start here calling out officials, simply didn't exist 15 years ago. And it's just accelerating and accelerating.

And the amount of online abuse folks get away with is bleeding over into real life. It's emboldening people.
TXAggie2011
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And to add to that, we capture many of those, even some fans, who yell and get into it with officials with those 20 cameras and then you become a hero on the internet and highlight show and whatever.
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TXAggie2011 said:

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Agree with Luke. If you pay people enough they will stand in line for any job. And yelling at umps has not gotten worse over the years.



It's gotten worse, just in my life time.

At the high college level and above, every stadium has a big high definition screen and 20 cameras and everyone can find an angle to support their opinion that a call was wrong.

But certainly, online abuse, including the threads some people start here calling out officials, simply didn't exist 15 years ago. And it's just accelerating and accelerating.

And the amount of online abuse folks get away with is bleeding over into real life. It's emboldening people.
I started umpiring HS baseball in 2007 and ended in 2017. The anger and abuse progressively got worse every year; parents think that little Johnny is going to make the pros and that they deserved the right to vent their anger if the call went against him.

The lack of baseball IQ of coaches, parents, and players is another reason that there is such anger. For example, what is the baseline? or when is a catch not a catch? foul tips vs foul balls?

People arguing because of what they think vs the facts.
ABATTBQ87
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another thing has changed is respect for coaches and umpires.

In 1979 I was on our 14U Pony all-star team. One of our games had a female plate umpire who rung me up on a pitch that I thought was outside and I looked back and made some comment as I was walking back to the dugout.

My dad met me at the dugout and told me if I ever acted that way again then he would take me home immediately.

Today the players are empowered by their parents to pop off to umpires about calls.


EMY92
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Shoot, today's parents are worse than the kids. Kids are having to retrain the parents, not the other way around.
mwm
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Here's a name for you: Leo Dourcher (sp?) . Now that guy could pitch a fit.
mwm
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In the East Texas area? She work with her husband?

If we're thinking of the same ump, she was very good.
dermdoc
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mwm said:

Here's a name for you: Leo Dourcher (sp?) . Now that guy could pitch a fit.


Agree and I mentioned him above with martin.
mwm
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Sorry, Doc. I see it now.

Bring home a "W" today, please.
dermdoc
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Lasorda could raise hell with the best of them. As could Whitey Herzog. And as I said, have not been to a hs game in a long time and am not doubting what y'all are saying. I actually think college and MLB are tamer than 20 years ago.

Now that could keep some of the better umps from going on to the next level from hs.
dermdoc
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No worries.
kevmiller
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This thread is reasons why people don't want to umpire.
Looks at these replies.. every umpire sucks, every umpire is " out to screw us"

High school level is really struggling to fill games.
Nobody wants to umpire.
Little pay and don't want to deal with BS from coaches, players and especially parents.

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ABATTBQ87 said:

TXAggie2011 said:

Quote:

Agree with Luke. If you pay people enough they will stand in line for any job. And yelling at umps has not gotten worse over the years.



It's gotten worse, just in my life time.

At the high college level and above, every stadium has a big high definition screen and 20 cameras and everyone can find an angle to support their opinion that a call was wrong.

But certainly, online abuse, including the threads some people start here calling out officials, simply didn't exist 15 years ago. And it's just accelerating and accelerating.

And the amount of online abuse folks get away with is bleeding over into real life. It's emboldening people.
I started umpiring HS baseball in 2007 and ended in 2017. The anger and abuse progressively got worse every year; parents think that little Johnny is going to make the pros and that they deserved the right to vent their anger if the call went against him.

The lack of baseball IQ of coaches, parents, and players is another reason that there is such anger. For example, what is the baseline? or when is a catch not a catch? foul tips vs foul balls?

People arguing because of what they think vs the facts.


The treatment of umpires has indeed 100% gotten worse just in the last 5-10 years.

And the baseball IQ .. especially from baseball parents.. has steadily declined.
Hell it has at Olsen field also.. I laugh at some of the comments people make regarding the " rules".

If you don't know.. don't act like a jackass pretending you know
dermdoc
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kevmiller said:

This thread is reasons why people don't want to umpire.
Looks at these replies.. every umpire sucks, every umpire is " out to screw us"

High school level is really struggling to fill games.
Nobody wants to umpire.
Little pay and don't want to deal with BS from coaches, players and especially parents.




The only ump disparaged on here was Broussard. Quit with the hyperbole. You sound like docs I know. People only talk about the bad docs.
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kevmiller said:

ABATTBQ87 said:

TXAggie2011 said:

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Agree with Luke. If you pay people enough they will stand in line for any job. And yelling at umps has not gotten worse over the years.



It's gotten worse, just in my life time.

At the high college level and above, every stadium has a big high definition screen and 20 cameras and everyone can find an angle to support their opinion that a call was wrong.

But certainly, online abuse, including the threads some people start here calling out officials, simply didn't exist 15 years ago. And it's just accelerating and accelerating.

And the amount of online abuse folks get away with is bleeding over into real life. It's emboldening people.
I started umpiring HS baseball in 2007 and ended in 2017. The anger and abuse progressively got worse every year; parents think that little Johnny is going to make the pros and that they deserved the right to vent their anger if the call went against him.

The lack of baseball IQ of coaches, parents, and players is another reason that there is such anger. For example, what is the baseline? or when is a catch not a catch? foul tips vs foul balls?

People arguing because of what they think vs the facts.


The treatment of umpires has indeed 100% gotten worse just in the last 5-10 years.

And the baseball IQ .. especially from baseball parents.. has steadily declined.
Hell it has at Olsen field also.. I laugh at some of the comments people make regarding the " rules".

If you don't know.. don't act like a jackass pretending you know



Lol only one umpire here has been talked about and he deserves it for the way he acted.
mwlkr
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Having a hissy fit? Earl Weaver. Not even close.
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