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I would accept Tech, and I am confident that if that call happened we would expect...I'm also confident that call never has and never will come

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TCU? Tech? Baylor?

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That's not an answer to the question.

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What exactly is your question?

And do you agree that if we had the same conference record as Florida that our rpi would be just fine regardless of who has the better noncon schedule? Florida is the better team and THAT is why their rpi is better

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Let me phrase the question this way. If you were A&M's baseball scheduler, Tech called tonight and said they'd do next year what they did with Arkansas this year---come in for 2 midweek games---would you accept or decline?

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I would accept as long as they did not expect a return trip, otherwise it is a no go. No need for the Ags to make such a long trip for a midweek game.

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That's not an answer to the question.

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What exactly is your question?

And do you agree that if we had the same conference record as Florida that our rpi would be just fine regardless of who has the better noncon schedule? Florida is the better team and THAT is why their rpi is better

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Let me phrase the question this way. If you were A&M's baseball scheduler, Tech called tonight and said they'd do next year what they did with Arkansas this year---come in for 2 midweek games---would you accept or decline?

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I would accept as long as they did not expect a return trip, otherwise it is a no go. No need for the Ags to make such a long trip for a midweek game.

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Exactly, which begs the question, why should Tech?

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I have already explained to you that this is a weird year for Texas schools...Rice is unusually bad, UH cancelled, and for whatever reason we missed DBU this year...our nonconference schedule is usually better than this and if we had taken care of business against our peers in the SEC and weren't just one game over .500 then we would be comfortably in the top 10 and having nothing to talk about

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No, our non-conference schedule is not normally better than this. It is 193 right now. It was 217 last year on selection day. It was 186 in 2016. It was 195 in 2015.

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Our non conference was 97 in 2016 and it was basically the same teams as this year

http://warrennolan.com/baseball/2016/rpi-live

And how do you know we haven't called Tech Baylor and TCU and THEY are turning us down?

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I have already explained to you that this is a weird year for Texas schools...Rice is unusually bad, UH cancelled, and for whatever reason we missed DBU this year...our nonconference schedule is usually better than this and if we had taken care of business against our peers in the SEC and weren't just one game over .500 then we would be comfortably in the top 10 and having nothing to talk about

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No, our non-conference schedule is not normally better than this. It is 193 right now. It was 217 last year on selection day. It was 186 in 2016. It was 195 in 2015.

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Our non conference was 97 in 2016 and it was basically the same teams as this year

http://warrennolan.com/baseball/2016/rpi-live

And how do you know we haven't called Tech Baylor and TCU and THEY are turning us down?

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So why did he say it was 186?

You can't control who is good and who is bad when you are making these schedules in advance

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I have already explained to you that this is a weird year for Texas schools...Rice is unusually bad, UH cancelled, and for whatever reason we missed DBU this year...our nonconference schedule is usually better than this and if we had taken care of business against our peers in the SEC and weren't just one game over .500 then we would be comfortably in the top 10 and having nothing to talk about

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No, our non-conference schedule is not normally better than this. It is 193 right now. It was 217 last year on selection day. It was 186 in 2016. It was 195 in 2015.

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Our non conference was 97 in 2016 and it was basically the same teams as this year

http://warrennolan.com/baseball/2016/rpi-live

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"Selection day."

Yes, it did shoot up to 96 after engaged TCU in multiple baseball games.


And I don't know that and I have never claimed that.

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I have already explained to you that this is a weird year for Texas schools...Rice is unusually bad, UH cancelled, and for whatever reason we missed DBU this year...our nonconference schedule is usually better than this and if we had taken care of business against our peers in the SEC and weren't just one game over .500 then we would be comfortably in the top 10 and having nothing to talk about

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No, our non-conference schedule is not normally better than this. It is 193 right now. It was 217 last year on selection day. It was 186 in 2016. It was 195 in 2015.

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Our non conference was 97 in 2016 and it was basically the same teams as this year

http://warrennolan.com/baseball/2016/rpi-live

And how do you know we haven't called Tech Baylor and TCU and THEY are turning us down?

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"Selection day."

Yes, it did shoot up to 96 after engaged TCU in multiple baseball games.


And I don't know that and I have never claimed that.

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I know you don't know that, that's the point.

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And do you agree that if we had the same conference record as Florida that our rpi would be just fine regardless of who has the better noncon schedule? Florida is the better team and THAT is why their rpi is better

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Exactly, which begs the question, why should Tech?

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The same reasons they went to Arkansas and Louisville for two midweek games a piece would justify them traveling a distance to any other reputable program during the midweek.

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And do you agree that if we had the same conference record as Florida that our rpi would be just fine regardless of who has the better noncon schedule? Florida is the better team and THAT is why their rpi is better

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Let me phrase the question this way. If you were A&M's baseball scheduler, Tech called tonight and said they'd do next year what they did with Arkansas this year---come in for 2 midweek games---would you accept or decline?

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Exactly, which begs the question, why should Tech?

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They seem willing to such make long trips for midweek games since Tadlock has been in Lubbock so they might be willing but am somewhat doubtful they would consider it for another Texas team. On the other hand they might reconsider after this season. Their trip to the state of Kentucky was not a success, followed by a series loss to Baylor. Their trip to Fayetteville (in which the piggies struck out 17 tards) was followed by a series loss to TCU which was coming off an 0-4 week (the TCU midweek game being ACU).

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I told you a long time ago that if we agreed A&M should be happy to play Tech, Texas, TCU, Baylor, etc. if they would play us, including multiple times in a season, then we can put the conversation to rest.

This has gone on too long because you've shifted the argument around and then on this point, you wouldn't answer whether you agreed or not.

So I assume everyone on here will agree that the coaches want to do everything they can to further the success of their team, correct? Why would they deny themselves and their team the best chance to do that? It makes no sense.

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I told you a long time ago that if we agreed A&M should be happy to play Tech, Texas, TCU, Baylor, etc. if they would play us, including multiple times in a season, then we can put the conversation to rest.

This has gone on too long because you've shifted the argument around and then on this point, you wouldn't answer whether you agreed or not.

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I said a long time ago that they wouldn't play us and that Texas doesn't have good rpi teams outside of the major programs and Florida has 6 teams in the top 50 that are not in a major conference...if we were a Florida school I'm confident we would play the same midweek schedule as Florida does because it would be very easy to schedule those schools to come play us

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I told you a long time ago that if we agreed A&M should be happy to play Tech, Texas, TCU, Baylor, etc. if they would play us, including multiple times in a season, then we can put the conversation to rest.

This has gone on too long because you've shifted the argument around and then on this point, you wouldn't answer whether you agreed or not.

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But intent means nothing. "Trying hard" means nothing. The results are exactly the same. The schedule is the same. It just makes you somehow happier.

That's like saying if I "care" about something and do nothing than somehow it is better. When it is not. I

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And do you agree that if we had the same conference record as Florida that our rpi would be just fine regardless of who has the better noncon schedule? Florida is the better team and THAT is why their rpi is better

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Let me phrase the question this way. If you were A&M's baseball scheduler, Tech called tonight and said they'd do next year what they did with Arkansas this year---come in for 2 midweek games---would you accept or decline?

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Exactly, which begs the question, why should Tech?

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They seem willing to such make long trips for midweek games since Tadlock has been in Lubbock so they might be willing but am somewhat doubtful they would consider it for another Texas team. On the other hand they might reconsider after this season. Their trip to the state of Kentucky was not a success, followed by a series loss to Baylor. Their trip to Fayetteville (in which the piggies struck out 17 tards) was followed by a series loss to TCU which was coming off an 0-4 week (the TCU midweek game being ACU).

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Yeah, we'll see. They went to Florida State for two in 2016 and then came back and ripped off like 10 straight wins.

Have they ever played neutral games in DFW like Georgia-Clemson did earlier this season in New Augusta, SC?

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I said a long time ago that they wouldn't play us and that Texas doesn't have good rpi teams outside of the major programs and Florida has 6 teams in the top 50 that are not in a major conference...if we were a Florida school I'm confident we would play the same midweek schedule as Florida does because it would be very easy to schedule those schools to come play us

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That doesn't answer the question. You said earlier that you didn't think A&M would agree to multiple games with Texas. But if we were located in Florida, you think our leadership would play their arch-rival three times?

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I told you a long time ago that if we agreed A&M should be happy to play Tech, Texas, TCU, Baylor, etc. if they would play us, including multiple times in a season, then we can put the conversation to rest.

This has gone on too long because you've shifted the argument around and then on this point, you wouldn't answer whether you agreed or not.

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I said a long time ago that they wouldn't play us and that Texas doesn't have good rpi teams outside of the major programs and Florida has 6 teams in the top 50 that are not in a major conference...if we were a Florida school I'm confident we would play the same midweek schedule as Florida does because it would be very easy to schedule those schools to come play us

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If only the A&M system was as rich as the UF system in quality baseball teams we would have plenty of options for mid week.

Does not explain playing ACU or the Ivy league teams x3.

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I said a long time ago that they wouldn't play us and that Texas doesn't have good rpi teams outside of the major programs and Florida has 6 teams in the top 50 that are not in a major conference...if we were a Florida school I'm confident we would play the same midweek schedule as Florida does because it would be very easy to schedule those schools to come play us

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That doesn't answer the question. You said earlier that you didn't think A&M would agree to multiple games with Texas. But if we were located in Florida, you think our leadership would play their arch-rival three times?

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If it was in our best interest, sure. But that is not what you want.

Maybe. I don't know. As I've said I would like to see a slight upgrade in both midweek and pre-SEC weekends more from an fan interest standpoint than an RPI standpoint. Almost every season whether the Ags host or not is not going to come down to our non-SEC schedule but almost entirely how we perform within the league.

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I told you a long time ago that if we agreed A&M should be happy to play Tech, Texas, TCU, Baylor, etc. if they would play us, including multiple times in a season, then we can put the conversation to rest.

This has gone on too long because you've shifted the argument around and then on this point, you wouldn't answer whether you agreed or not.

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I said a long time ago that they wouldn't play us and that Texas doesn't have good rpi teams outside of the major programs and Florida has 6 teams in the top 50 that are not in a major conference...if we were a Florida school I'm confident we would play the same midweek schedule as Florida does because it would be very easy to schedule those schools to come play us

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If only the A&M system was as rich as the UF system in quality baseball teams we would have plenty of options for mid week.

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Florida has played an Ivy league team numerous times as part of their non conference schedule.

TCU has played ACU twice this season.

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I told you a long time ago that if we agreed A&M should be happy to play Tech, Texas, TCU, Baylor, etc. if they would play us, including multiple times in a season, then we can put the conversation to rest.

This has gone on too long because you've shifted the argument around and then on this point, you wouldn't answer whether you agreed or not.

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I said a long time ago that they wouldn't play us and that Texas doesn't have good rpi teams outside of the major programs and Florida has 6 teams in the top 50 that are not in a major conference...if we were a Florida school I'm confident we would play the same midweek schedule as Florida does because it would be very easy to schedule those schools to come play us

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If only the A&M system was as rich as the UF system in quality baseball teams we would have plenty of options for mid week.

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Florida has played an Ivy league team numerous times as part of their non conference schedule.

TCU has played ACU twice this season.

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And every other school has empty club seats also. And they show up on tv. Who'd have thunk it?

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I told you a long time ago that if we agreed A&M should be happy to play Tech, Texas, TCU, Baylor, etc. if they would play us, including multiple times in a season, then we can put the conversation to rest.

This has gone on too long because you've shifted the argument around and then on this point, you wouldn't answer whether you agreed or not.

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I said a long time ago that they wouldn't play us and that Texas doesn't have good rpi teams outside of the major programs and Florida has 6 teams in the top 50 that are not in a major conference...if we were a Florida school I'm confident we would play the same midweek schedule as Florida does because it would be very easy to schedule those schools to come play us

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If only the A&M system was as rich as the UF system in quality baseball teams we would have plenty of options for mid week.

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Florida has played an Ivy league team numerous times as part of their non conference schedule.

TCU has played ACU twice this season.

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And every other school has empty club seats also. And they show up on tv. Who'd have thunk it?

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Yep.

Some here only seem to remember the big name midweek games tech has scheduled forgetting the numerous games against New Mexico/New Mexico St..

Same folks, different subject.

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I said a long time ago that they wouldn't play us and that Texas doesn't have good rpi teams outside of the major programs and Florida has 6 teams in the top 50 that are not in a major conference...if we were a Florida school I'm confident we would play the same midweek schedule as Florida does because it would be very easy to schedule those schools to come play us

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That doesn't answer the question. You said earlier that you didn't think A&M would agree to multiple games with Texas. But if we were located in Florida, you think our leadership would play their arch-rival three times?

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If it was in our best interest, sure. But that is not what you want.

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I don't want our best interest?

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I said a long time ago that they wouldn't play us and that Texas doesn't have good rpi teams outside of the major programs and Florida has 6 teams in the top 50 that are not in a major conference...if we were a Florida school I'm confident we would play the same midweek schedule as Florida does because it would be very easy to schedule those schools to come play us

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That doesn't answer the question. You said earlier that you didn't think A&M would agree to multiple games with Texas. But if we were located in Florida, you think our leadership would play their arch-rival three times?

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I said neither school would agree because of our history after leaving, I'm surprised we play them even once.

And I meant that if we were located in Florida we would schedule Jacksonville, Florida Atlantic, Florida Gulf Coast, and North Florida without hesitation...this just happens to be a year when all those teams are in the top 40

Maybe you do. You seem to either think our coaches and AD do not or are not as good at this as you are. But that is just my observation and I do not want to project as I do not know you.

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I said neither school would agree because of our history after leaving, I'm surprised we play them even once.

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I said neither school would agree because of our history after leaving, I'm surprised we play them even once.

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I have answered your question plenty of times

And if we are under scheduling by design, why? What is the motive? There is absolutely no logic when your job and team's success depends on all this stuff. Would you do that at your job? I know I wouldn't.

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I said neither school would agree because of our history after leaving, I'm surprised we play them even once.

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You answered it once, but seemed to only be addressing Tech.

You've never said if TCU or Texas or Baylor called and wanted games, that you would accept.

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I said neither school would agree because of our history after leaving, I'm surprised we play them even once.

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You answered it once, but seemed to only be addressing Tech.

You've never said if TCU or Texas or Baylor called and wanted games, that you would accept.

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I would, but they won't, and if they did we would

There is a lot of bad blood between us and the big 12, you really think they are sitting there saying you know what would be good, a road trip to a&m on a Tuesday

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You answered it once, but seemed to only be addressing Tech.

You've never said if TCU or Texas or Baylor called and wanted games, that you would accept.

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So let me get this straight, if we "tried real hard" to get the teams you mentioned on the schedule and it did not work out, you would be okay with that even if the schedule was exactly the same? I do not get it.

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I told you a long time ago that if we agreed A&M should be happy to play Tech, Texas, TCU, Baylor, etc. if they would play us, including multiple times in a season, then we can put the conversation to rest.

This has gone on too long because you've shifted the argument around and then on this point, you wouldn't answer whether you agreed or not.

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I said a long time ago that they wouldn't play us and that Texas doesn't have good rpi teams outside of the major programs and Florida has 6 teams in the top 50 that are not in a major conference...if we were a Florida school I'm confident we would play the same midweek schedule as Florida does because it would be very easy to schedule those schools to come play us

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If only the A&M system was as rich as the UF system in quality baseball teams we would have plenty of options for mid week.

Does not explain playing ACU or the Ivy league teams x3.

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Florida has played an Ivy league team numerous times as part of their non conference schedule.

TCU has played ACU twice this season.

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Thank goodness TCU lost at home to them or ACU would be an even greater RPI drain. TCU split winning at ACU.

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And if we are under scheduling by design, why? What is the motive? There is absolutely no logic when your job and team's success depends on all this stuff. Would you do that at your job? I know I wouldn't.

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People have different philosophies. My dad can tell you as a D-1 head coach, he has encountered a variety of ADs that have a variety of scheduling philosophies. Sometimes they disagree(d) on scheduling philosophies.

There are strengths and weaknesses to each of them.

jkag89 illuminated a potential philosophical trade off earlier when he discussed Texas Tech. Tech has traveled to Florida State, Louisville, and Arkansas in the past several years...they're great for RPI...but you risk being tired after a long road trip. Different philosophies lead to different judgment of that.

Was it smart of Arkansas to fly to North Carolina in the midweek earlier this year? Folks here have pushed against the idea of an SEC team needing to travel in the midweek. Do you think Arkansas deliberately hurt themselves? Surely not.