I'll concede to Hakeem, but DRob was my favorite player from my conception. He was the single reason I started liking the Spurs, and he will probably remain the most respected player ever to be in the NBA. He never exemplified the toughness of a true NBA center, which is what will keep him from being in the list of all-time greatest.

Hakeem because of his defense. The man was just an unreal shot blocker.

And thats not to say Robinson was bad, he was a great defender as well.

All time leader in shot blocking speaks for itself though.

You clowns want to throw out the robinson lost three years smack because of serving his country and the injury. It is pretty much a fact that hakeem's listed age is not correct. Most people think he was in his mid to late thirties during those championship years. If hakeem started playing basketball when robinson did there is no telling how much better he could have been.

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Hakeem was amazing to watch. Especially since he didn't start playing basketball until he was like 16 or so.

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So Hakeem started earlier than Robinson?
DRob didnt play basketball until his senior year of HS.

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Hakeem gets the nod over DRob because of offensive playoff production. I'm not going to look it up, but I believe Robinson's playoff numbers are down from his regular season numbers. Duncan and The Dream both had better numbers in the playoffs vs their regular season.

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18PPG vs 21PPG playoff vs career.

The difference being that Robinson played 59 of his 123 playoff games after Duncan was drafted - meaning he was second fiddle. His numbers were obviously down for that reason. Pre-Duncan, Robinson always averaged around 25PPG in the playoffs.

Hakeem never played a playoff series where he wasn't THE MAN on the team. It also isnt like Hakeem came out and dominated every playoff series. EIGHT times in his 15 playoff appearances, Hakeem was booted in the first round. Some of those he played great (88) some of those he didnt (90.)

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It is pretty much a fact that hakeem's listed age is not correct. Most people think he was in his mid to late thirties during those championship years. If hakeem started playing basketball when robinson did there is no telling how much better he could have been.

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This is possibly the most idiotic and asinine statement I have ever read. Just because Robinson grew up in America, doesnt mean that he grew up playing basketball. He never played until his senior year of HS. He was 6'7 when he went to Navy. If Robinson was thinking about basketball as a career, he wouldnt have gone somewhere like the Naval Academy.

I would say if you ask people who know hakeem that they would say that he was in his mid 20s when he got to uh.

Olajuwon.

World B. Free just a half step behind.

The bottom line is that hakeem lost years from his career just like robinson.

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If hakeem started playing basketball when robinson did there is no telling how much better he could have been.

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I'm pretty sure Hakeem had played some basketball before his 17th birthday.

My vote is for Duncan. 2 MVP's, 3 finals MVP's and 3 championships.

I'm surprised people are biased enough to even be having this debate.

Duncan will easily finish above DRob and Hakeem so the DRob/Hakeem argument for the 234,532nd time is not needed.

The funny similarity between the "Big 3" everyone is talking about here is that they all started playing bball late. Duncan never played until his mid HS years either, he was a top notch swimmer and when Hugo destroyed all the pools on St Croix he picked up bball on a whim. It makes you wonder how much learning the fundamentals later in life without the bad habits of playing pickup bball may have had in shaping all 3 of these guys.

I think Hakeem is still the guy but by a nose. Robinson is just a notch below him because of the famous playoff series and his lack of a hard core passion for the game. Robinson, more good than bad, was never a guy that lived for bball even though he worked his a$$ off. He was a freak athlete though. I would love to have seen him walk the length of the bball floor on his hands, how bizarre was that?

I think in the end Duncan will be seen as the best. He already has the far superior playoff resume, the MVP's, and the All NBA selections. He just needs to rack up a few more to make it not close. He also never got DPOY but it wasn't because he couldn't have with all of his NBA All Defense 1st Team selections.

I'll agree with the rest that Timmy, D-Rob, and Hakeem are easily the best.

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Lewis Lloyd

Matt Bullard

Hakeem, hands down.

Is anyone here old and actually remembers watching Moses Malone play? I was alittle too young, but he hasn't even been brought up and he's a two-time MVP with a Title.

LaKeith Blanks.

To try to say Hakeem was a substantially better defender is silly. For his career, he averaged .1 more blocks per game than DR. And again, this is with DR missing 3 years of his prime, when he would have averaged 3.5-4.0 blocks per game, which would have upped his average substantially. In fact, it most likely would have been higher than Hakeem's. They're both great defenders. Again, I'd rank Hakeem one spot above DR, but certainly not because of his defense.

The greatest NBA player to play in the State of Texas?

Jordan or Wilt.

Saying, "Hakeem" = okay, there is a case to be made.

Saying: "Hakeem, hands down" = stupid Houstonians who have nothing else to be proud of.

There is no clear cut best and a very good case can be made for Hakeem, Rob, and TD each.

Personally, that Duncan is already argueably the best with a good 5 years of solid production left suggets to me that he'll be the best by the time he retires (especially with 1 or 2 more rings).

1. Hakeem, Duncan
3. Robinson

4. Gervin

This is where the Texags line is drawn in the sand:

Spurs fans: D-Rob or Timmy
Rockets fans: Hakeem
Mavs fans: nobody worth mentioning so no posts.

Count me in the "Spurs fan: D-Rob" camp.

Timmy and The Dream are on a different level than D-Rob..

guys, guys, guys... let me put this to rest.

what kind of freak of nature do you get when God mixes a little D-Rob, a little of the Dream, and a little TimVP together?? thats right. perfection on earth.




































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hakeem was a much better player than robinson.

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Saying: "Hakeem, hands down" = stupid Houstonians who have nothing else to be proud of.

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let me guess your choice, aaron bruce, jerrells, dien, arthur (whoa, scratch that).

No, no he wasn't. He only was if you're biased.

Actually I would go with Terry Black, but that's just me...

"Hakeem, hands down"

has as much credibility as

"BU MBB to win big 12 in 2006"

There is a debate to be had, but anybody claming that one of the three is clearly better is just a moron who can't appreciate great basketball players due to some petty geographic differences....

Hakeem, no question IMO.

HOWEVER, if Duncan hangs around for another 3 years, I'd put them as equals. Hakeem was a lot more fun to watch and really expanded his game as he matured, but can't argue Duncan's amazing dependable production.

DRob was an amazing player, shame the 95 playoffs tarnished his reputation so much. Even forgetting that series, I'd put him a notch below the other two...he could not carry a team like they could.

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To try to say Hakeem was a substantially better defender is silly. For his career, he averaged .1 more blocks per game than DR. And again, this is with DR missing 3 years of his prime, when he would have averaged 3.5-4.0 blocks per game, which would have upped his average substantially. In fact, it most likely would have been higher than Hakeem's. They're both great defenders. Again, I'd rank Hakeem one spot above DR, but certainly not because of his defense.

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I didnt say he was substantially better, I said he was better though, which he is, although not by much. Hakeem also averaged more steals a game than Robinson over the course of his career and won 2 DPOY awards to Robinson's 1.

I have to go with the Three J's of the late 90's Mav's......nobody can touch their talent....

Jason Kidd
Jamaal Mashburn
Jim Jackson

If Hakeem was so much more dominating than Robinson, answer me this:

Why did Hakeem fail to get the Rockets into the playoffs three times?

Seven times, Hakeem failed to get the Rockets out of the first round.

Hakeem only led the Rockets to three division titles in 17 years with the Rockets.




Eight times, Robinson led the Spurs to the best record in the midwest.

Only once in his career - 96-97 when he played one 6 games - did Robinson's Spurs fail to make the playoffs.

Robinson won 2 or every 3 games he played against Hakeem.

Guitar, you have alot of posts with all your precious internet research but what is your answer to the subject of this thread? Are you just sticking up for Robinson, or do you think he is the best?

Robert Horry

Its all about the Bling.

And it isnt internet research. Now it is basketball knowledge. It was internet research 5 years ago.