Buzz won't make it to 26/27

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Maryland is 351st of 361 teams in FG%... 40%
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Oh yeah I had no problem with him recruiting those guys with one foot out the door. It was apparent he was recruiting them to himself and not to A&M which is how most coaches operate now.

I was just thinking to myself last night about how there was a very real scenario where 75% of that Maryland roster could have been playing for us this season and how awful that would've been.
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Poor Solo.

Buzz keeps letting him shoot threes and he keeps missing. For four years!

23% this year and 24% for his career - 37 of 154

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I think that's at the heart of this whole thing if you take away all of the people that seem personally offended by Buzz or whatever. Some people hated him the whole time and want to dance on his grave here, that's fine, not worth trying to talk them out of it.

But people can handle a step back if the peak is worth the valley. We were clearly building toward last year. And it was a good year. But it wasn't like an INCREDIBLY good year where you'd be fine tolerating completely missing the tournament this year.

I think that's why almost everyone, including people like me who thought people saying we should fire Buzz were living in some kind of fantasy land, were hoping he'd find another job to take. I even talked about it during the season but the vibe at Reed last year was just off. I think everyone was ready to try something else but we were never going to fire the guy.

I don't think he was some kind of charlatan or fraud. He's a pretty good coach. But being pretty good isn't exactly inspiring when you play a brutal style of basketball AND you're more or less openly hostile to your own fans.
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they sure do here
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bobinator said:

Yeah this is where I was at. It was insane to think we'd even consider paying $15M to fire a basketball coach coming off a tournament win. Never gonna happen.


Yeah, never gonna happen. Just glad buzz did us a favor and left on his own
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AggieCrew44 said:

NyAggie said:

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Judging a coach purely by how they do in a single elimination tourney remains a fool's errand, yet people still do it


See Sean McDermott

Dude was a consistent winner in the regular season with multiple division titles but continually failed in the playoff

Result?

Fired

Eventually you need to do some damage in the postseason or you'll be thought to have hit your ceiling and will get the boot

Marty Schottenheimer was another one who was really good in the regular season but a failure in the playoffs and got the boot because of it


Those are both nfl examples, but the same can be said for college hoops

Why do you think calipari jumped to Arkansas?

Because he was failing in March and knew that one more March failure and he'd be fired

So he reset his clock at Arkansas

Football and basketball/march madness are not even remotely the same

It would probably take me 5, 6, maybe 7 runs at the tourney with first round exits before i go "you know what maybe this isn't going to get much better and we should go a different direction".

The best predictor of a deep tourney run is how often you get there. You'll eventually break through.


I do agree with just get there a d let the chips fall, but I can also see the other dude where frustration starts to set in when you keep getting in but having early exits

There's definitely a breaking point

If you can't at least make a sweet 16 in 4 or 5 tourney appearances it might be time for a change

It does help Immensely to make a sweet 16 when you are getting high seeds instead of 8/9/10 etc..
Oh I agree. Say buzz had stayed and had 2 more straight first rounds bounces, I'd be frustrated too and probably wanting to go a different direction at that point because I expect more out of our program than that. I just personally feel like a 3 year sample is still pretty small in a tourney that is kinda flukey at times with matchups and stuff



Yeah, 3 years maybe not enough but when you tack on a couple of years of not even making it before that, it's easy to see why fans would want to go in a different direction


Sure. The sport was also different then when he got the job. It was impossible to flip a roster like you can now. The portal wasn't a thing. It was almost expected to have a 2-3 year rebuild

What Bucky has done in year one is incredible. We can also acknowledge that this wouldn't have been possible 7 years ago with the rules


Absolutely, but then we wouldn't have been left with an empty roster pre-portal
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I dunno, in this new era I'm not so sure.

If a coach came in now and didn't even sniff the tournament for three years I think they're probably toast right unless there's some really extenuating circumstances.

Especially because it's unlikely we'll ever have a coach making money like Buzz was making.
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i'm thinking more across the athletic department. I can't remember a coach we fired before their original contract ran out. Maybe some w. golf coach that Woodward overpaid for from USC west.

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Well yeah, I think basically every other sport is a different situation though where we're not going to buy anyone out unless we absolutely have to.

*stares at the women's basketball team*
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rlb28 said:



100%. Amazing how fast Maryland fans are catching on.

I wouldn't be so bold to say that Buzz purposely lost when he first got here. But A&M was horrible and I blame the staff in large part. He then went into hero mode making A&M competitive by the very end of the first season.
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but a MBB coach only has to show a little progress and we'll throw him a new deal. Hell we gave BK a new deal when nobody wanted him.
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Aston04 said:

rlb28 said:



100%. Amazing how fast Maryland fans are catching on.

I wouldn't be so bold to say that Buzz purposely lost when he first got here. But A&M was horrible and I blame the staff in large part. He then went into hero mode making A&M competitive by the very end of the first season.
The way we were sprinting and jumping at every single three point shooter to start the year made me think he was trying to lose on purpose at first. It was infuriating how bad we were. I remember thinking this buzz guy is a moron then that method magically disappeared and we started winning
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Well that's why I said in this era. Our history definitely points the other way.

But I don't think a BK situation would happen again. He was EXTREMELY lucky to make it past his third season. Conference change, Kyle Field project, etc.
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I'd argue in the nil and free transfer era if you can't be competitive by year 2 you may need to start looking elsewhere

I'll give a coach the benefit of doubt year 1 (maybe not Maryland without Payne horrendous but still). Often a shortened offseason with the transition. Lots of change everywhere.
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only if we keep Trev, but again our history is he'll be gone in another year or two. Then we start all over again.
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I think Maryland fans are catching on mostly because of us. What hardcore fan doesn't check the boards of the school of a coach you hired to get a temp check.

Hell most of their fans were against it from the beginning, though they talked themselves into it for a while after the recruiting like everyone does.
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I think we more or less did that his whole time here when we were out of rotation. It was so frequent that it was obviously on purpose.

I do wonder if he's changed his defensive approach at Maryland. I haven't watched them a ton other than last night and they were running a little more traditional halfcourt trap from what it looked like.

That's the thing I was pretty sure he was going to have to change. His defense is just insanely complicated in this era with so much roster turnover. We sucked on defense to start basically every season until last one right?
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bobinator said:

I think we more or less did that his whole time here when we were out of rotation. It was so frequent that it was obviously on purpose.

I do wonder if he's changed his defensive approach at Maryland. I haven't watched them a ton other than last night and they were running a little more traditional halfcourt trap from what it looked like.

That's the thing I was pretty sure he was going to have to change. His defense is just insanely complicated in this era with so much roster turnover. We sucked on defense to start basically every season until last one right?
We did do that to an extent, but it was definitely over exaggerated to start
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Bucky is the best damn coach since BCG and I think its only a matter of time before he flies by him. He will win a natty here and that is what his goal is to make us like a Bama or Auburn who were always decent but never did anything until Oatts and Pearl took them to the final four.
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JJxvi said:

The Big Ten has two teams worse than Maryland in it. Together they make up a total of 3 that are worse than the SEC's worst team, Mississippi State.

Let's give credit where it is due. OU is by far the worst team in the SEC - and lost by ~20 to Miss State.
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BQ_90 said:

i'm thinking more across the athletic department. I can't remember a coach we fired before their original contract ran out. Maybe some w. golf coach that Woodward overpaid for from USC west.




Jimbo

We gave him a new contract, but his original one hadn't ran out when we thankfully fired him.

And Kermit Davis back in the day
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bobinator said:

Hot take: I think people using Kennedy's tournament results as a huge positive is worse than people using Buzz's as a big criticism.

We were Northern Iowa making one different decision in the last minute of a game away from getting knocked out by an 11 seed as a 3 seed.

And then both times we made the sweet 16 we got absolutely housed.


In my mind Kennedy had one good group of players that Avery Johnson recruited.
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rab79 said:

Wrong forum,

I AGREE!!! BFD!!! Buzzy is gone, leave it at that!!!!
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Longhorn Nation said:

JJxvi said:

The Big Ten has two teams worse than Maryland in it. Together they make up a total of 3 that are worse than the SEC's worst team, Mississippi State.

Let's give credit where it is due. OU is by far the worst team in the SEC - and lost by ~20 to Miss State.


South Carolina is currently the worst team in the SEC. That post was based on efficiency rankings. South Carolina is in the top 90 (roughly 20 spots behind OU and a handful behind Miss State now). The Big Ten now has 4 teams outside the top 90 range with Maryland and Rutgers hovering only in the top 150 range.
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Going by NET (more official but which I trust the least), South Carolina is 105.

Oregon is 116, Penn State is 133, Rutgers is 170, and Maryland is 182.

The floor for the SEC is very high this year again similar to last year, just lacking the highest quality through multiple teams at the top
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Kennedy had some hurdles that most don't have. I think that is what is missed by some when people talk about his tenure here which was spotty for sure but had some good moments. It was used against him in recruiting. We had some high powered assistants that did a good job overcoming that including Avery and Stansbury.
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TyperWoods said:

bobinator said:

Hot take: I think people using Kennedy's tournament results as a huge positive is worse than people using Buzz's as a big criticism.

We were Northern Iowa making one different decision in the last minute of a game away from getting knocked out by an 11 seed as a 3 seed.

And then both times we made the sweet 16 we got absolutely housed.


In my mind Kennedy had one good group of players that Avery Johnson recruited.


Agreed with that, we were a three seed however so some credit is due.



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bobinator said:

Hot take: I think people using Kennedy's tournament results as a huge positive is worse than people using Buzz's as a big criticism.

We were Northern Iowa making one different decision in the last minute of a game away from getting knocked out by an 11 seed as a 3 seed.

And then both times we made the sweet 16 we got absolutely housed.

ok, I am going to stick with Liking Kennedy for a miraculous win in the tournament because, we won't ever see this again in our lifetime for another A&M team, likely.

Call it what you will but I like kennedy despite his literal handicap as he is associated with N iowa win. Maybe it is grit of our players that day. Whatever it was, that day favored A&M and Kennedy. I haven't seen a game like that since...

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bobinator said:

Hot take: I think people using Kennedy's tournament results as a huge positive is worse than people using Buzz's as a big criticism.

We were Northern Iowa making one different decision in the last minute of a game away from getting knocked out by an 11 seed as a 3 seed.

And then both times we made the sweet 16 we got absolutely housed.

Underrated post
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Is Kennedy the 4th best coach in modern Aggie basketball history?

BCG
Turgeon
Buzz
Kennedy
Shelby
Barone
Melvin
Kermit Davis

No offense to those guys, but that's a sad list.

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Poor Turgeon
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Kennedy is 5th best
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