I'm starting to wonder if we are actually broke from all of these massive football contract buyouts.

I think he will,work and have A&M in Final four within 4 years

What were the 2 mediocre hires again?

Southlake Ag said:

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I think he will,work and have A&M in Final four within 4 years

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That would be incredible.

I think he'll work out, too, just not sure if we'll make a final 4 within 4 years

Still trying to figure out why this person was hired?
His career win loss record at a small school - "Samford" was 99 and 52.
Does that make him a genius hire?
That is 50 losses for every 100 wins at "Samford" (not Duke) and that's if you give him a win and take away two losses .
Just think what he can do in a much more competitive conference!

Last year at "Samford", the team he was the head coach of didn't make the NCAA Tournament and was a first game loser in the NIT tournament.
Now this year, he wakes up after a year like that and instead of a hotseat at "Samford" the guy is given a much more lucrative upward job undoubtedly for more money at an SEC school.
I don't need to say it because the BOR is so dense, but you know they gave him a "guaranteed" contract too.

What could go wrong, I'm sure that unlike his MOST RECENT resulting year's win/loss record at a small school in an abstract conference, that he will make "Bucky Ball" a household name by not turning Samford around but rather miraculously turning Texas A&M basketball into a juggernaut and winning the SEC championship and going very deep into the NCAA Tournament thereby bypassing the more difficult NIT Tournament that he got kicked out of last year.

Here is the absolute KEY:

RECRUITING AND NIL

There is ZERO doubt this guy can coach his arse off. Done it at every stop in historical fashion.

Now he needs SEC elite players. Players that Buzz could not recruit as his offense sucks and no NBA talents wants to play that way.

Bucky Ball is different. We get the players, he becomes our most successful coach.

My biggest fear is honestly the contract and our ability to retain him longterm.

It reads like something AI would produce.

This post is soo freaking dumb. You clearly have done no research and I hate that I'm dumb enough to respond but here's the 5 years before Bucky that led to Samford taking a shot on a high school coach.

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bobinator said:

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I disagree a little bit here. Highest bid matters but you want a coach who can get a guy without being the absolute highest bid, whether that's because of rep of getting guys in the league, style of play, or whatever else.

Recruiting ability still matters.

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Bob, you've got to do more research. If you list out the college players NIL $ by player, you'll see that the best teams are spending the most. There's a reason the Yankees, Dodgers and Astros are always good every season. It's because they pay the royalty tax. We don't even have a royalty tax. We could drop 20M in NIL and be a dominant force. We have that kind of money too. That's the crazy thing with all of this. We have tons of money and still can't field competitive sports programs.

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Texas A&M boosters are not going to fund basketball with $20 mil in NIL money. It's not a matter of just having it - which maybe we do. The vast majority of big money guys want to fund football and not basketball. Bucky from what I've read may have the personality to loosen up the pocket book with some of these BMA's.

Corn Pop said:

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We are the dumbest fanbase in the country. Earley, and now this…Billy referenced Junior varsity coaching record in his article. This is embarrassing for one of the richest universities in the country.

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Corn pop, Billy referencing that is irrelevant to the hire.

fightinag said:

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We've hired Elko, Early, and now Bucky ......... need I say more ?

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nope. Stfu

SBDavis87 said:

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Still trying to figure out why this person was hired?
His career win loss record at a small school - "Samford" was 99 and 52.
Does that make him a genius hire?

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Just sit this one out. He's obviously considered a good coach. Only question is recruiting.

"Samford"

"We got Elko on one hand and Earley on the other."

That really throws a lot of shade on this hire. Our track record for hiring major men's sport coaches is uneviable to be gracious in labeling.

Southlake Ag said:

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I think he will,work and have A&M in Final four within 4 years

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I don't know what you're smoking, but don't Bogart it.

EXCELL said:

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"We got Elko on one hand and Earley on the other."

That really throws a lot of shade on this hire. Our track record for hiring major men's sport coaches is uneviable to be gracious in labeling.

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We've hired really well in the past

Fran
Sumlin
Jimbo

Turgeon
Buzz

Schloss
Childress

All considered good to great hires at the time.
Their lack of elite success, outside of Benedict Arnold, seems to be more about an institutional lack of understanding on how convert resources into elite success.

t - cam said:

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EXCELL said:

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"We got Elko on one hand and Earley on the other."

That really throws a lot of shade on this hire. Our track record for hiring major men's sport coaches is uneviable to be gracious in labeling.

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We've hired really well in the past

Fran
Sumlin
Jimbo

Turgeon
Buzz

Schloss
Childress

All considered good to great hires at the time.
Their lack of elite success, outside of Benedict Arnold, seems to be more about an institutional lack of understanding on how convert resources into elite success.

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Your definition of "hired really well" is a LOT different than mine.
I'm not talking about visibility or reputation or anything other than, God forbid, WINNING.

Fran, Sumlin and Jimbo all got unceremoniously fired ...
Why? For not winning.

Turgeon left because his transmission was stuck in 3rd gear.
Ditto buzz

Schloss ... really? He used us like a cheap New Orleans hooker
Childress ... another stuck in 3rd gear

So hiring well really boils down to BCG, who took a program literally on life support and made it a winner.
And then we couldn't keep him which might have been a blessing disguise with his personal life meltdown.

FYI, Elko and Earley will be gone when their contracts expire AFTER we have given them a gazillion dollar extension with a just-less-than-a-gazillion-dollar termination clause. These guys couldn't hire a lawn crew.

EXCELL said:

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t - cam said:

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EXCELL said:

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"We got Elko on one hand and Earley on the other."

That really throws a lot of shade on this hire. Our track record for hiring major men's sport coaches is uneviable to be gracious in labeling.

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We've hired really well in the past

Fran
Sumlin
Jimbo

Turgeon
Buzz

Schloss
Childress

All considered good to great hires at the time.
Their lack of elite success, outside of Benedict Arnold, seems to be more about an institutional lack of understanding on how convert resources into elite success.

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Your definition of "hired really well" is a LOT different than mine.
I'm not talking about visibility or reputation or anything other than, God forbid, WINNING.

Fran, Sumlin and Jimbo all got unceremoniously fired ...
Why? For not winning.

Turgeon left because his transmission was stuck in 3rd gear.
Ditto buzz

Schloss ... really? He used us like a cheap New Orleans hooker
Childress ... another stuck in 3rd gear

So hiring well really boils down to BCG, who took a program literally on life support and made it a winner.
And then we couldn't keep him which might have been a blessing disguise with his personal life meltdown.

FYI, Elko and Earley will be gone when their contracts expire AFTER we have given them a gazillion dollar extension with a just-less-than-a-gazillion-dollar termination clause. These guys couldn't hire a lawn crew.

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Feels like you didn't read my whole post.

rondis23 said:

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I hope that this works out because on paper it even looks funny hiring a guy with ZERO tournament wins.

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Matt Painter had ZERO tournament wins before Purdue. McCasland had ONE tournament win before tech hired him. Hell, his best teams at UNT didn't even MAKE the tournament.

SBDavis87 said:

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Still trying to figure out why this person was hired?
His career win loss record at a small school - "Samford" was 99 and 52.
Does that make him a genius hire?
That is 50 losses for every 100 wins at "Samford" (not Duke) and that's if you give him a win and take away two losses .
Just think what he can do in a much more competitive conference!

Last year at "Samford", the team he was the head coach of didn't make the NCAA Tournament and was a first game loser in the NIT tournament.
Now this year, he wakes up after a year like that and instead of a hotseat at "Samford" the guy is given a much more lucrative upward job undoubtedly for more money at an SEC school.
I don't need to say it because the BOR is so dense, but you know they gave him a "guaranteed" contract too.

What could go wrong, I'm sure that unlike his MOST RECENT resulting year's win/loss record at a small school in an abstract conference, that he will make "Bucky Ball" a household name by not turning Samford around but rather miraculously turning Texas A&M basketball into a juggernaut and winning the SEC championship and going very deep into the NCAA Tournament thereby bypassing the more difficult NIT Tournament that he got kicked out of last year.

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Who would you have hired that you can PROVE would have come?

Thanks for your insight Karen.

This guy was on the short list for both Auburn and Bama if they lost their current coaches.

He was the contingency plan for Ole Miss if we pulled Beard.

And yet some of you search Google for five minutes and convince yourselves he won't work when he hasn't even set foot on campus yet.

bennyboobooboo said:

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Me. No chance this works. By works I mean he won't get further than Buzz did in his 5 years. I'll eat cow dung if we win a natty within the next 5 years.

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NC is not a reasonable measure. How about a couple of 30 win seasons? Two final fours? Not good enough?

91AggieLawyer said:

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rondis23 said:

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I hope that this works out because on paper it even looks funny hiring a guy with ZERO tournament wins.

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Matt Painter had ZERO tournament wins before Purdue. McCasland had ONE tournament win before tech hired him. Hell, his best teams at UNT didn't even MAKE the tournament.

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Also everyone knows they beat KU

Just getting us to the second weekend would be an improvement on buzz ball

Would be interesting if someone crawled torvik and found another mid major hire who had teams ranked in the 80-130 range that did well when hired into a major conference

Mr.Milkshake said:

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Would be interesting if someone crawled torvik and found another mid major hire who had teams ranked in the 80-130 range that did well when hired into a major conference

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What were Bruce pearl Tenn and Oatts bama!

There's a few things here, but one is that surely the programs historic level has to matter. Like the previous coach at Samford's average Torvik was 240 while Bucky's is 157, and it's 136 if you throw out the Covid year, which was his first season. So that's an improvement of 80-100 spots depending on how you want to count it.

That matters because when you're comparing a team from the SoCon to a team like Buffalo out of the WAC, Buffalo's default level is already much higher. Yeah, Nate Oats had an Average Torvik of 92 but Reggie Witherspoon (the coach before Bobby Hurley) had an average of 136.

The second thing though is that there's no question this is a reach. This is a "trying to get the guy before the guy is got" kind of deal. A lot of people think Bucky is one of the best young minds in the game and has an incredibly bright future, if he ends up getting hired by a higher level team and having success then we probably don't get him. So if the people you talk to believe in the guy, and you meet him and you believe in him, then let's go for it.

I bring that up because there are some examples of coaches that have had success like Bucky's had at Samford and then moved up to big time jobs, but they usually have another step in between.

Just in the SoCon, and just recently, Niko Medved had a run at Furman where his teams weren't nearly as good as Bucky's before he got the Colorado State job, Will Wade coached two years at Chattanooga before Virginia Commonwealth and his best team was #175. Cincinnati coach Wes Miller had a long run at UNC Greensboro where his average Torvik was #175. He's done okay at Cincy so far despite them moving up a weight class in conferences.

So if the stars align and Bucky succeeds here, how long before he bounces to another program?

BuzzFan24 said:

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So if the stars align and Bucky succeeds here, how long before he bounces to another program?

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Why do people think this is some next level clapback? This gets asked in every damn thread. Im sure bobinator is peering deep into his crystal ball to divine the answer.

Who knows. Who cares.