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Hopefully, Trev Alberts is following basketball closely as much as he has been doing for other sports like women volleyball and provides the resources.

I am wondering if Buzz kids might be interested in coaching and if a&m might provide a similar dynamic that Sampson enjoys at Houston in terms of having his son on staff (this is me just speculating and trying to look for a reason for Buzz to stay long term).

Besides Indiana, the Virginia job seems to be focused on Shaka smart, the Vcu coach and others currently coaching in the region but who knows if Buzz will throw his name out there. He mentioned in the past that he does all the negotiation directly so who knows.

Hopefully, he stays with us and continue to develop the program.

No, but I'm fine with a HCIW title for a 22 year old for the next 15 years.

Lol jaja , I completely get is a stretch of a view but who knows maybe Calvin his son joins his staff as a director of operations and then the other one joins as a grad assistant... But yeah i am stretching it a bit too much

Dumb to even suggest.

Buzz can hire his kids as a GA at any job he gets in the country.

We're not turning "Director of Operations" over to a 22 yo just to keep a coach that decides he wants to leave.

Ridiculous suggestion.

Sorry to disappoint you with a dumb suggestion in a free online fan forum. I will try my best in the future to fulfill your expectations random basketball fan replying to my random post

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Sorry to disappoint you with a dumb suggestion in a free online fan forum. I will try my best in the future to fulfill your expectations random basketball fan replying to my random post

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Free asshattery? Thanks…

Well, if there is any merit to the rumor, i just hope Buzz has a conversation with BCG first. Sometimes going to a "blue blood" is not the best decision. I completely understand there are different dynamics between the two of these coaches, but as they told BCG. Your best day as a kentucky coach is the day they announce you.

Like I said on the coaching search thread, I think the Indy Star has a good read on this situation and has broken most major Indiana stories recently (Cignetti's new contract, Woodson's not returning.)

From their articles I think Buzz is just one of a bunch of names if they miss on their first tier of candidates.

An article after he left Marquette. Read this and then tell me you have any idea on what Buzz might do at any given point...
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/new-faces-new-places-why-did-buzz-williams-leave-marquette-for-vt/

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"Look at this," Williams said.

So I did.

Here's how it read: "Make decisions from a balanced perspective. The best decisions are based on facts and data. The person with the best info wins nine out of 10 times. The next 12 months is an information-gathering mode."

Buzz Williams scribbled those words one day in the same spirit with which he documents basically every thought of every day, and, when you get right down to it, those are the words that guided him from Marquette to Virginia Tech because those are the words that consumed him just like each thing that enters his mind seems to consume him.

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Simply put, once Williams decided to go into what he called an "information-gathering mode," his mind wouldn't rest until he had more data than you can imagine. He projected the likelihood of basketball programs not connected to football programs flourishing over the next 10 years in this ever-changing climate of college athletics. He studied how many programs succeed at a high level without some sort of ESPN contract. He estimated whether it was reasonable to expect the next six years at Marquette would duplicate or exceed the previous six. He researched every coach who has been at a high-major program for at least eight seasons to the point where he learned that staying in the same place too long in this era -- especially when you'll be inheriting a new athletic director soon, like he would've been at Marquette -- proves to be a mistake more often than not.

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This, to me, was fascinating because I've never seen a coach care so deeply about contract terminology, if only because most have agents who handle such things. But what I later learned is that Williams does not technically have an agent, that he actually negotiates and even writes large parts of his contracts, and that he learned to do this by filing Freedom of Information Act requests with public universities. He would obtain contracts of football and basketball coaches, study them intensely and highlight things he liked and didn't like.

"I have stacks of contracts," Williams said. "Stacks probably as big as this desk."

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Beyond that, the bar he set at Marquette no longer exists.

He has a fresh contract and fans with fresh sets of expectations.

Williams' move ensures he doesn't have to make three Sweet 16s over the next six years to prove to the world he isn't slipping. He's now in charge of a program that's been to exactly one NCAA Tournament since 1996, that's made just one Sweet 16 ever, and that won a mere two ACC games last season. In other words, the bar is really, really low. And Williams is more likely to spend the next six years outperforming his predecessors at Virginia Tech than he would've been to spend the next six years outperforming himself at Marquette.

Or, at least, that's what the "facts and data" assembled suggest.

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An article after he left Marquette. Read this and then tell me you have any idea on what Buzz might do at any given point...
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/new-faces-new-places-why-did-buzz-williams-leave-marquette-for-vt/

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"Look at this," Williams said.

So I did.

Here's how it read: "Make decisions from a balanced perspective. The best decisions are based on facts and data. The person with the best info wins nine out of 10 times. The next 12 months is an information-gathering mode."

Buzz Williams scribbled those words one day in the same spirit with which he documents basically every thought of every day, and, when you get right down to it, those are the words that guided him from Marquette to Virginia Tech because those are the words that consumed him just like each thing that enters his mind seems to consume him.

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Simply put, once Williams decided to go into what he called an "information-gathering mode," his mind wouldn't rest until he had more data than you can imagine. He projected the likelihood of basketball programs not connected to football programs flourishing over the next 10 years in this ever-changing climate of college athletics. He studied how many programs succeed at a high level without some sort of ESPN contract. He estimated whether it was reasonable to expect the next six years at Marquette would duplicate or exceed the previous six. He researched every coach who has been at a high-major program for at least eight seasons to the point where he learned that staying in the same place too long in this era -- especially when you'll be inheriting a new athletic director soon, like he would've been at Marquette -- proves to be a mistake more often than not.

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This, to me, was fascinating because I've never seen a coach care so deeply about contract terminology, if only because most have agents who handle such things. But what I later learned is that Williams does not technically have an agent, that he actually negotiates and even writes large parts of his contracts, and that he learned to do this by filing Freedom of Information Act requests with public universities. He would obtain contracts of football and basketball coaches, study them intensely and highlight things he liked and didn't like.

"I have stacks of contracts," Williams said. "Stacks probably as big as this desk."

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Beyond that, the bar he set at Marquette no longer exists.

He has a fresh contract and fans with fresh sets of expectations.

Williams' move ensures he doesn't have to make three Sweet 16s over the next six years to prove to the world he isn't slipping. He's now in charge of a program that's been to exactly one NCAA Tournament since 1996, that's made just one Sweet 16 ever, and that won a mere two ACC games last season. In other words, the bar is really, really low. And Williams is more likely to spend the next six years outperforming his predecessors at Virginia Tech than he would've been to spend the next six years outperforming himself at Marquette.

Or, at least, that's what the "facts and data" assembled suggest.

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I mean that reads like he is probably gone after this season. 6 years in one place, long enough. Not to mention losing 8 players and Solo and Payne would be free to transfer.

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I mean that reads like he is probably gone after this season. 6 years in one place, long enough. Not to mention losing 8 players and Solo and Payne would be free to transfer.

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idk...

I don't think Buzz is like a coaching mercenary...honestly, who knows what motivates Buzz to move on

I just don't think Buzz will move on just for the so-called "blue blood" program. Seems too superficial for him.

Hope he has enough deep connection around here to keep him here. I am sure A&M can match $

If you are any coach in the SEC considering a move to the Big 10, then you have to factor having to fly coast-to-coast for road games…L.A. to Nebraska to the NE. And the SEC is now a legit and this year clearly best basketball conference in the country.
And Buzz originates from Texas. These and other reasons, and knowing how logical Buzz thinks through everything…this doesn't seem like a likely move for him even if asked..

I think it starts with whether Buzz wants to keep coaching. If he does, then I'm sure he'd take the Indiana job if they want to give it to him. It's that second part that I doubt though.

Buzz is self-motivated. Those guys are very hard to control.

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If you are any coach in the SEC considering a move to the Big 10, then you have to factor having to fly coast-to-coast for road games…L.A. to Nebraska to the NE.

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I really don't think that flying from Bloomington to Los Angeles or Seattle is so much different than flying from College Station to Columbia, SC or Gainesville,FL in a way that's going to move the needle on anything.

I don't agree. The travel times and number of games have a cumulative impact for the B10 teams especially the west coast teams but really all of them because they are so geographically dispersed . Throw in weather delays and ground travel it seems pretty brutal to me.

Look at longest possible travel times by air as a starting point in the B10 it's probably Rutgers to LA (6.5 hrs one way)and in the SEC it's OU to Florida ( 4 hrs one way) or maybe Mizzou to fla. those are the extremes but a lot of the SEC schools are just not that far apart. The Midwest B10 teams aren't either but the 4 west coast teams are long flights to any Midwest conference opponent and vice versa.

Indiana is going to Eugene and Seattle in a 3 day span (so they're certainly staying there), and that's it.

You're making this out to be waaaay more dramatic than it is to drive a coaching decision.

You could be right about driving a relocation decision but if all other things are equal …. Which they never are. Weather also a consideration .

I assume your'e class of 07 and I'm '81. The older you get the more these kinds of things matter imo.

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You could be right about driving a relocation decision but if all other things are equal …. Which they never are. Weather also a consideration .

I assume your'e class of 07 and I'm '81. The older you get the more these kinds of things matter imo.

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Buzz is 52, so I don't think he's making choices yet based on the weather, or spending 2 extra hours on a plane twice a year.

Again, I don't think he's going to Indiana, or that Indiana is coming calling barring an Elite 8 run. But the stuff people will come up with to make sense of it (hire his kids, a couple extra hours of plane rides a year, the weather) is just crazy talk.

I can't say for sure but I know it would be something I would consider .

Current upcoming situation, Rutgers making a road trip to Washington and Oregon. Total days away from home for that 2 game road trip - 6 days. That's taking a beating imo. It's not just the airplane time, it's the total disruption of routine in crunch part of conference play and near midsemester for the players . It just throws extra challenges on top of an already challenging slate.

Indiana won't come for Buzz.
But some other school will.
With 8 of his 10 man rotation having used their eligibility up this season, it makes sense that he will listen.

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Current upcoming situation, Rutgers making a road trip to Washington and Oregon. Total travel days for that 2 game road trip - 6 days.

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And that's the only time during the season they had an extended road trip. One time.

Guess what- for March Madness, if you last, you're going to going to be on a "6 day extended road trip", so you want your guys to be ready.

How many days did we spend on the road for the Vegas tourney, or the Bahamas, or any of those things?

It's laughable to think that one trip in the whole year is going to drive anything in this business.

Bahamas was during an academic break and not in the middle of an already brutal conference slate. I'd put that on the plus side . I dunno if Vegas was during an academic break or not but again, not in the middle of a brutal conference slate. Many teams travel around Thanksgiving time.

I'm not suggesting these are necessarily decision driving issues but they are things to consider

As far as the Big Dance related travel, everyone competing is on a level playing field more or less. That's the difference imo. You aren't having to do something your competitors from other conferences don't have to do.

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Current upcoming situation, Rutgers making a road trip to Washington and Oregon. Total travel days for that 2 game road trip - 6 days.

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And that's the only time during the season they had an extended road trip. One time.

Guess what- for March Madness, if you last, you're going to going to be on a "6 day extended road trip", so you want your guys to be ready.

How many days did we spend on the road for the Vegas tourney, or the Bahamas, or any of those things?

It's laughable to think that one trip in the whole year is going to drive anything in this business.

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UCLA Coach Goes Off On New Big Ten Travel Schedule | OutKick

Mick Cronin appears to be one PAC-12 forced to Big-10 coach who hates the Big-10 travel schedules. Of course, he's been exceptionally moody about lots of things this season.

He seems to not like how many times he's had to see the Statue of Liberty while landing in a flight from L.A.

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Current upcoming situation, Rutgers making a road trip to Washington and Oregon. Total travel days for that 2 game road trip - 6 days.

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And that's the only time during the season they had an extended road trip. One time.

Guess what- for March Madness, if you last, you're going to going to be on a "6 day extended road trip", so you want your guys to be ready.

How many days did we spend on the road for the Vegas tourney, or the Bahamas, or any of those things?

It's laughable to think that one trip in the whole year is going to drive anything in this business.

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UCLA Coach Goes Off On New Big Ten Travel Schedule | OutKick

Mick Cronin appears to be one PAC-12 forced to Big-10 coach who hates the Big-10 travel schedules. Of course, he's been exceptionally moody about lots of things this season.

He seems to not like how many times he's had to see the Statue of Liberty while landing in a flight from L.A.

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He's been a massive grouch all year. Like dude is just finding new things to ***** about each day.

I think the travel thing is a much bigger consideration for USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon than it is for the more midwest located schools like Indiana. I don't know that it's a big enough consideration to matter to a coach thinking about taking a job, but it's definitely bigger for those schools than it is for Indiana.

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I think the travel thing is a much bigger consideration for USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon than it is for the more midwest located schools like Indiana. I don't know that it's a big enough consideration to matter to a coach thinking about taking a job, but it's definitely bigger for those schools than it is for Indiana.

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Maybe this needs a separate thread, but are schools really going to continue doing this nonsense? Miami traveling to northern California is just not sustainable, right?

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Maybe this needs a separate thread, but are schools really going to continue doing this nonsense? Miami traveling to northern California is just not sustainable, right?

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Again, they did that one time.

The conferences are scheduling these things so that Miami hit their only West coast trip with Stanford and Berkeley in one shot.

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I think the travel thing is a much bigger consideration for USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon than it is for the more midwest located schools like Indiana. I don't know that it's a big enough consideration to matter to a coach thinking about taking a job, but it's definitely bigger for those schools than it is for Indiana.

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Maybe this needs a separate thread, but are schools really going to continue doing this nonsense? Miami traveling to northern California is just not sustainable, right?

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So…the coaching staff and players fly. The difference between a three hour and six hour flight is annoying but negligible.

Getting equipment there is more of a chore especially for football.