why not take a time out and get a play drawn in the end

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4:22p, 1/25/25
This was a game that might have ended tournament hopes for the orange man sporting John Lennon glasses.

The end of game mis-management was disappointing and letting one guy beat you. Why not call a time out, why not double team their only good player, who hit a wide open three to make it close.


I love what Buzz has built perhaps this player led team needed the coach to lead in the final minutes.
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4:27p, 1/25/25
I have no issue with not calling the timeout. There was plenty of time to dribble down enough of the court.
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4:30p, 1/25/25
We just won a game where we didn't do that.
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4:30p, 1/25/25
It's better to get it in while the opponent has a broken defense. They run that situation in practice. Not a bad move at all.
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In reply to t97h • 4:31p, 1/25/25
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t97h said:
It's better to get it in while the opponent has a broken defense. They run that situation in practice. Not a bad move at all.


It lost the game, so there's that
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In reply to Forment Fan • 4:35p, 1/25/25
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I don't have a problem not calling one after they took the lead. I would have liked to see us call one on the prior possession. I know Wade had the ball and we trust him, but I'd have preferred to take a breather and draw something up.
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In reply to TAMUallen • 4:42p, 1/25/25
It's going to be a heave/pray shot anyways…"so there's that" lol. It was honestly as good of a look as we could hope for and he almost drained it so what are you even being sassy about?
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In reply to TAMUallen • 4:42p, 1/25/25
TAMUallen said:
t97h said:
It's better to get it in while the opponent has a broken defense. They run that situation in practice. Not a bad move at all.


It lost the game, so there's that


It won the game against highly ranked Ole Miss on the road too.
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In reply to TAMUallen • 4:59p, 1/25/25
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TAMUallen said:
t97h said:
It's better to get it in while the opponent has a broken defense. They run that situation in practice. Not a bad move at all.


It lost the game, so there's that


Not calling a timeout lost us the game?

Plenty of things to blame for that awful loss, that's not one of them.
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4:59p, 1/25/25
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Did we have 2 timeouts? If so, timeout and run a play to throw to half court and take second timeout. Then run a play in the half court to get a better shot
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5:01p, 1/25/25
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You have the ball in your veteran, NCAA 1st team, star PGs hands with 22 seconds left.
You dont call timeout to let them get a defense set and potentially deny him the ball, you trust him and the offense to execute.
they didnt
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In reply to t97h • 5:02p, 1/25/25
t97h said:
It's better to get it in while the opponent has a broken defense. They run that situation in practice. Not a bad move at all.


We honestly probably got a better shot than we would have had we called a timeout. The problem was we couldn't get a defensive stop, not that we didn't call a timeout.
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In reply to PatAg • 5:04p, 1/25/25
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PatAg said:
You have the ball in your veteran, NCAA 1st team, star PGs hands with 22 seconds left.
You dont call timeout to let them get a defense set and potentially deny him the ball, you trust him and the offense to execute.
they didnt


He heaved it from half court. Why not call a timeout and have him heave it from long 3 point range? You can scheme anyone open in basketball, it's not hard.

It was an extremely dumb call.
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In reply to rgag12 • 5:07p, 1/25/25
rgag12 said:
PatAg said:
You have the ball in your veteran, NCAA 1st team, star PGs hands with 22 seconds left.
You dont call timeout to let them get a defense set and potentially deny him the ball, you trust him and the offense to execute.
they didnt


He heaved it from half court. Why not call a timeout and have him heave it from long 3 point range? You can scheme anyone open in basketball, it's not hard.

It was an extremely dumb call.


Why do 95% of coaches not call a timeout in that situation then? I assume you watch college basketball and know this is what almost everyone does.
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In reply to rgag12 • 5:09p, 1/25/25
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rgag12 said:
PatAg said:
You have the ball in your veteran, NCAA 1st team, star PGs hands with 22 seconds left.
You dont call timeout to let them get a defense set and potentially deny him the ball, you trust him and the offense to execute.
they didnt


He heaved it from half court. Why not call a timeout and have him heave it from long 3 point range? You can scheme anyone open in basketball, it's not hard.

It was an extremely dumb call.
The ball doesn't advance in college. Letting it play out against a broken defense is the right play
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In reply to rgag12 • 5:27p, 1/25/25
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rgag12 said:
PatAg said:
You have the ball in your veteran, NCAA 1st team, star PGs hands with 22 seconds left.
You dont call timeout to let them get a defense set and potentially deny him the ball, you trust him and the offense to execute.
they didnt


He heaved it from half court. Why not call a timeout and have him heave it from long 3 point range? You can scheme anyone open in basketball, it's not hard.

It was an extremely dumb call.
I assumed this was about us with the ball about 22 seconds, because at least there is a discussion to be had.
You think we are going to call a timeout and somehow get a better shot off than we did on the last play?
Go back to playing with playdoh
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In reply to Method Man • 10:10a, 1/27/25
"We just won a game where we didn't do that."

So if I drive drunk the wrong way on a freeway but manage to get home alive without an accident, then it's okay to make it a regular thing?
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In reply to EXCELL • 10:35a, 1/27/25
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EXCELL said:
"We just won a game where we didn't do that."

So if I drive drunk the wrong way on a freeway but manage to get home alive without an accident, then it's okay to make it a regular thing?
What a horrible comparison.

No, you don't call a timeout because you can't advance the ball and you get the defense on their heels. If you allow the defense to get set after a timeout, you might not even get a shot off.

Basically, what PatAg said.
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10:57a, 1/27/25
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I didn't have any issues with the game management at the end.

1:25 - Mark hits a contested shot along the baseline, tough shot, he made it.
:54 - Phelps misses a contested shot in the paint. Tough shot, he didn't make it. It was under 10 on the shot clock. Could argue he should have passed it to Garcia in the corner but Phelps is probably shooting that ball 98 times out of 100 and Garcia isn't exactly a quick catch-and-shoot guy.
:47 - Johnson comes off of high screen and Garcia isn't aggressive enough to step out on it on the switch from Phelps. Garcia does end up getting a hand up, but he's got to be closer to Johnson in that situation, especially because the screener was Kent who isn't a threat to score from out there.
:30 - This is the one possession I don't love. We iso Taylor on Larry, which is fine, but Taylor chooses to back him down and tries a kind of hook fade away. I don't particularly love that, but, Taylor successfully did the same thing on Pope in the game at Reed.
:4.5 - Mark hits another contested shot coming toward the basket. I'd like to have seen Payne come out another step in that situation, but I get why he didn't. I'm not sure he knew that Garcia was standing right beside him and could have helped on Shedrick. Still, it's a tough shot and he made it.
:00 - Taylor actually gets a clean look and it goes off the rim. If we call a timeout there and draw up a play there's no way Texas is letting us get the ball to Taylor so someone else is shooting this and it's a low percentage possession anyway.

I don't really have an issue with any of that from a "what could Buzz have done differently" standpoint.
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11:13a, 1/27/25
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I have a bigger problem with the lack of passing in the last 3 possessions -

Phelps dribbles out the shot clock and then runs ISO
Phelps does it again
Wade gets the ball, dribbles up the court shoots a runner from 40 ft having never passed.

That said, if Buzz calls a timeout, we had 2, we likely get .6 sec back on the clock that ran off after the ball went through.

Run a play to advance the ball, call a 2nd timeout, draw up a play to get a shot - preferably in a more favorable location. I would take any one on the court from 10ft above Wade shooting a 40ft runner.
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1:14p, 1/27/25
It kinda comes down to the difference between:

I have a problem with our offense the last 3 possessions vs I have a problem with our offense this season.

IMO we didn't do anything out of character offensively our last 3 possessions. We died by the same method we've lived all year. It's just that our offense simply isn't very good.

It was just a weird game offensively. We are not a good 3 point shooting team. We hit 9 of our first 17 three-pointers in the first 22:53 of the game.

And the thing is, it's not like we necessarily "cooled off". Outside of the final prayer, we were 2 for 5 from 3 after that... But that's kind of the thing... You hit 9 in 23 minutes and then in the final 17 you only shoot 5?

On one hand, there's a sense of "how can you go away from what was working!?"... On the other hand, there's a sense of "we suck at 3 point shooting and started the game shooting 53% in our first 17 shots... lets not press our luck".

Reality is, based on the offense we had displayed the 20 games prior, we had no business being up 20+.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 1:24p, 1/27/25
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Texas did shift up their defense in the second half and started closing out on the perimeter, so I get why the shots weren't there. And that big lineup of theirs caused us some problems.

I also thought we did a pretty good job of adjusting to their adjusting and trying to attack the paint better, but then we shot uncharacteristically terribly from 2 in the second half (even for us.) We were 6/21 (29%) inside the arc in the second half which is just insanely bad. Our worst game of the year from 2 was Oregon and we shot 33% in that one.

And it wasn't just one guy. Phelps goes 1/6 from 2 in the second half, Payne goes 2/4 (and 3/10 for the game when he'd been shooting like 80% lately), Taylor goes 0/3.

That's your three best scoring options lately going a combined 3/13 on two point shots in the second half. Just absurdly bad.
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In reply to bobinator • 1:30p, 1/27/25
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bobinator said:
That's your three best scoring options lately going a combined 3/13 on two point shots in the second half. Just absurdly bad.
I wonder if tu fouling us (and not having them called) had anything to do with that...
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In reply to TombstoneTex • 1:59p, 1/27/25
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I honestly didn't think the lack of fouls as big of a deal in this game, and even if it were, we shot 47% from 2 against Ole Miss and that game was basically a hockey game.
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2:02p, 1/27/25
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And the thing is, it's not like we necessarily "cooled off". Outside of the final prayer, we were 2 for 5 from 3 after that... But that's kind of the thing... You hit 9 in 23 minutes and then in the final 17 you only shoot 5?


Texas looked like they changed their defense in the second half because we were no longer getting those open looks from 3
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2:50p, 1/27/25
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I don't have a problem with Wade going iso at all. I'm with you Bob, I think he should have been more aggressive and go to the bucket in the 2nd half. He didn't have a bad shooting game, and it seemed like he could have gone off for more.

A telling stat is that he didn't go to the free throw line at all. As a matter of fact, he didn't go to the free throw line at all against Ole Miss either.

I'm thinking that he's still on minutes restriction and hasn't shaken off that injury completely.
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2:51p, 1/27/25
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Why not coach a team to make a free throw shot?


Let's go Brandon!


Soli Deo Gloria
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In reply to GrayMatter • 2:56p, 1/27/25
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GrayMatter said:
A telling stat is that he didn't go to the free throw line at all. As a matter of fact, he didn't go to the free throw line at all against Ole Miss either.
Yeah, there's a chicken/egg effect happening with him that he needs to break out of.

He used to be able to basically draw fouls at will going to the basket, but refs wised up to his antics and don't give him the calls. So now he drives less knowing they won't call fouls, which leads to even fewer fouls, which leads to even less driving, etc. etc.

I do think it's pretty clear that he hasn't had that same suddenness to his first step since the first time he got hurt way back in December, although he did look a lot better against Texas than in any other game recently.

But he's got to get back to attacking and drawing fouls and defenders. That said, our last two games the officials have let the defense put hands on ballhandlers and be pretty physical with body contact on drives to the basket and that's going to really hurt Taylor's driving ability because of his size.
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5:50p, 1/27/25
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call TO, inbound drive to the hole, draw a foul, 2 FT's…. oh wait

don't call time out, a miracle 3 probably has better odds
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In reply to aggiepaintrain • 6:39p, 1/27/25
aggiepaintrain said:
call TO, inbound drive to the hole, draw a foul, 2 FT's…. oh wait

don't call time out, a miracle 3 probably has better odds

I actually thought Terry playing for what was ultimately the last shot (2 seconds left) was unwise. Left any chance of sending us to the line for misses and extending the game off the table.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 6:41p, 1/27/25
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I didn't get that either. I hate playing for the final possession when down a point.
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In reply to TAMUallen • 9:00a, 1/28/25
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No it didn't
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In reply to aggiepaintrain • 9:01a, 1/28/25
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Would be great under NBA rules, that doesn't work in college.
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In reply to bobinator • 11:13a, 1/28/25
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Yeah but is that a byproduct of those two games being away as opposed to being at home. Or are the refs swallowing their whistles against us knowing that we play a physical type of game?
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In reply to GrayMatter • 11:22a, 1/28/25
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I dunno, could just be what side of the bed the refs woke up on that day. Like the third official Saturday (Courtney Green) was also on the call for our game against Alabama. And Don Daily, who was one of the officials for the Ole Miss game, was also on the call for the Alabama game.

So that's two officials in the "let them play" games that were both on the call for our 88 free throw game against Alabama.
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