CapCityAg89 said:

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You do know officials are NCAA and not league affiliated, right?

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They are and they aren't. Most officials work for a couple of conferences so in that sense, they are league affiliated just not exclusively for the one league. For league games, the SEC assigns the three officials based on who they have on their roster of approved officials. For non conference games, the teams usually agree on who does the assignments.

For the NCAA tournament, you are correct that they then are assigned by the NCAA based on evaluations and recommendations from the teams and conferences.

The other thing to add is they are not a crew like in football. The refs are assigned individually with one designated the head referee for the game. I think it is a mistake to not keep them together as a single crew but that is what college basketball has decided for a number of reasons.

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Scotts Tot said:

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rlb28 said:

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BayAg_14 said:

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Officially lost a little confidence in this squad.

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We have the talent. Buzz just doesn't know how to use it or coach it. That's why we play such ugly basketball.

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Foolish

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The winning bucket was not a called play by the coach. What I will give him credit for is some brilliant substitutions down the stretch and not calling a timeout to set up the last shot. He just let his players create. That was genius.

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Your comment had nothing to do with the winning bucket. It was about Buzz Williams in general. People who say Buzz is not a good coach have no credibility. Every single former coach, analyst and studio host raves about Buzz's coaching. For you to think you know better than them is laughable.

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My opinion of his coaching acumen is nothing more than that. Does he win more than he loses absolutely. I probably should have said his style is sometimes not conducive to coaching his current talent to the ultimate prize. He is definitely an above average defensive and rebounding coach. In all of his stops he has struggled to coach offense. But, I would love him to prove me foolish before his tenure at A&M ends. Even better if it is this season.

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The ugly basketball is a feature of the system, not a bug. You seem to think he's taking elite talent and hindering their abilities as offensive playmakers. The truth is that he's taking good talent and using a style of play that can beat elite talent. We will never consistently bring elite players to A&M.

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We have had coaches who previously brought superior talent to A&M. What is it about Buzz that can't bring elite talent to A&M. Just actually curious as to your opinion.

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When have we ever consistently brought highly-recruited nationally prominent players to A&M?

AlwaysNextYear89 said:

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CapCityAg89 said:

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You do know officials are NCAA and not league affiliated, right?

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Learned something. I figured with 2 games a week, they probably stuck with the same conference, but I guess it's possible some of these guys are calling 4-5 a week? Anyone know an NCAA basketball official?

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Me. Had one work for me as a financial analyst. NCAA officiating is tough and most work only a couple games a week. It's too much travel and BS. There are only a few of dozens that make it a full time job.

I do think our talent is better than people think. Some folks make it sound like we're just picking up scrubs out of the auxiliary gym.

Scotts Tot said:

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Fquin said:

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Scotts Tot said:

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rlb28 said:

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Fquin said:

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rlb28 said:

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Fquin said:

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BayAg_14 said:

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Officially lost a little confidence in this squad.

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We have the talent. Buzz just doesn't know how to use it or coach it. That's why we play such ugly basketball.

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Foolish

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The winning bucket was not a called play by the coach. What I will give him credit for is some brilliant substitutions down the stretch and not calling a timeout to set up the last shot. He just let his players create. That was genius.

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Your comment had nothing to do with the winning bucket. It was about Buzz Williams in general. People who say Buzz is not a good coach have no credibility. Every single former coach, analyst and studio host raves about Buzz's coaching. For you to think you know better than them is laughable.

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My opinion of his coaching acumen is nothing more than that. Does he win more than he loses absolutely. I probably should have said his style is sometimes not conducive to coaching his current talent to the ultimate prize. He is definitely an above average defensive and rebounding coach. In all of his stops he has struggled to coach offense. But, I would love him to prove me foolish before his tenure at A&M ends. Even better if it is this season.

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The ugly basketball is a feature of the system, not a bug. You seem to think he's taking elite talent and hindering their abilities as offensive playmakers. The truth is that he's taking good talent and using a style of play that can beat elite talent. We will never consistently bring elite players to A&M.

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We have had coaches who previously brought superior talent to A&M. What is it about Buzz that can't bring elite talent to A&M. Just actually curious as to your opinion.

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When have we ever consistently brought highly-recruited nationally prominent players to A&M?

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Turgeon and Kennedy had a 12 year run of pretty elite players come through. Maybe not all one and done but, definitely elite.

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I do think our talent is better than people think. Some folks make it sound like we're just picking up scrubs out of the auxiliary gym.

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I tend to agree.

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Payne, Obaseki, and Washington are elite talent, imo. Maybe not elite players, but any coach would welcome their athletic ability.

I've never seen better athletes in A&M uniforms. Maybe the 1980 squad was comparable for its time.

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Our roster is NOT loaded with NBA talent. We have some NBA G League guys with Potential for NBA contracts, but no lottery picks. There are NO DeAndre Jordan's or Khris Middleton's on this team. Buzz is getting the absolute Most out of the kids he's got.
(Payne is an interesting prospect but needs a lot of work).

Outside of that one freshman class of Gilder/Davis/Hogg/Thomas the recruiting hasn't been much different than prior, some guys just ended up being better their ranking like caruso and sloan

Even Robert Williams was a three star. So yeah we've hit on some talented guys that werent big time recruits but we are kinda doing the same now. Wade, solo, Phelps we're all good recruits but not necessarily elite

Lance Uppercut said:

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Antoine Wright

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Good call, that's a third.

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They were not elite. We had a few elite guys and a couple really good maybe borderline elite classes. But year to year it wasn't much different than now.

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While I somewhat agree. Short of Wade, those teams had far superior talent. They just didn't always play to their paper. On defense, this current team plays far above each players individual talent. The part of basketball Buzz excels at coaching.

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94chem said:

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Payne, Obaseki, and Washington are elite talent, imo. Maybe not elite players, but any coach would welcome their athletic ability.

I've never seen better athletes in A&M uniforms. Maybe the 1980 squad was comparable for its time.

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Our roster is NOT loaded with NBA talent. We have some NBA G League guys with Potential for NBA contracts, but no lottery picks. There are NO DeAndre Jordan's or Khris Middleton's on this team. Buzz is getting the absolute Most out of the kids he's got.
(Payne is an interesting prospect but needs a lot of work).

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Middleton was not considered an elite prospect at any point ever. What are you even talking about?

I'd say they had more offensive talent, for sure.

But this team has some crazy athletes.

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rondis23 said:

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94chem said:

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Payne, Obaseki, and Washington are elite talent, imo. Maybe not elite players, but any coach would welcome their athletic ability.

I've never seen better athletes in A&M uniforms. Maybe the 1980 squad was comparable for its time.

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Our roster is NOT loaded with NBA talent. We have some NBA G League guys with Potential for NBA contracts, but no lottery picks. There are NO DeAndre Jordan's or Khris Middleton's on this team. Buzz is getting the absolute Most out of the kids he's got.
(Payne is an interesting prospect but needs a lot of work).

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Middleton was not considered an elite prospect at any point ever. What are you even talking about?

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But, he was an elite player both at A&M and in the NBA. It would be cool to stumble onto a few more like him.

Lance Uppercut said:

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Antoine Wright

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bobinator said:

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I'd say they had more offensive talent, for sure.

But this team has some crazy athletes.

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I agree. It's always a pleasure to get your take on these things.

Those late 00s teams are better off with the college version of Pharrell Payne than the college version of Deandre Jordan.

Fquin said:

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wacarnolds said:

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rondis23 said:

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94chem said:

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Payne, Obaseki, and Washington are elite talent, imo. Maybe not elite players, but any coach would welcome their athletic ability.

I've never seen better athletes in A&M uniforms. Maybe the 1980 squad was comparable for its time.

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Our roster is NOT loaded with NBA talent. We have some NBA G League guys with Potential for NBA contracts, but no lottery picks. There are NO DeAndre Jordan's or Khris Middleton's on this team. Buzz is getting the absolute Most out of the kids he's got.
(Payne is an interesting prospect but needs a lot of work).

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Middleton was not considered an elite prospect at any point ever. What are you even talking about?

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But, he was an elite player both at A&M and in the NBA. It would be cool to stumble onto a few more like him.

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He wasn't elite at A&M but this argument is so dumb I don't care to continue it

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Fquin said:

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Scotts Tot said:

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Fquin said:

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rlb28 said:

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Fquin said:

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rlb28 said:

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Fquin said:

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BayAg_14 said:

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Officially lost a little confidence in this squad.

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We have the talent. Buzz just doesn't know how to use it or coach it. That's why we play such ugly basketball.

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Foolish

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The winning bucket was not a called play by the coach. What I will give him credit for is some brilliant substitutions down the stretch and not calling a timeout to set up the last shot. He just let his players create. That was genius.

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Your comment had nothing to do with the winning bucket. It was about Buzz Williams in general. People who say Buzz is not a good coach have no credibility. Every single former coach, analyst and studio host raves about Buzz's coaching. For you to think you know better than them is laughable.

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My opinion of his coaching acumen is nothing more than that. Does he win more than he loses absolutely. I probably should have said his style is sometimes not conducive to coaching his current talent to the ultimate prize. He is definitely an above average defensive and rebounding coach. In all of his stops he has struggled to coach offense. But, I would love him to prove me foolish before his tenure at A&M ends. Even better if it is this season.

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The ugly basketball is a feature of the system, not a bug. You seem to think he's taking elite talent and hindering their abilities as offensive playmakers. The truth is that he's taking good talent and using a style of play that can beat elite talent. We will never consistently bring elite players to A&M.

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We have had coaches who previously brought superior talent to A&M. What is it about Buzz that can't bring elite talent to A&M. Just actually curious as to your opinion.

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We've had 1 maybe 2 elite high school talents in our history. Deandre Jordan and maybe Tyler Davis.

Everyone else Buzz had brought in is on par with everyone else the other coaches brought in.

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Danuel House

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He was great, on par with Dexter Dennis or Quintin Jackson IMO.

I sometimes miss the days of Winston Krite and Shelby Metcalf in the Holler House. But, I digress.

Jerald Brown.

AlwaysNextYear89 said:

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CapCityAg89 said:

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You do know officials are NCAA and not league affiliated, right?

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Learned something. I figured with 2 games a week, they probably stuck with the same conference, but I guess it's possible some of these guys are calling 4-5 a week? Anyone know an NCAA basketball official?

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Great article from a few years ago about John Higgins and what he went through during the season with travel and the like. He called as many games as any official in the NCAA until he retired from on court officiating 2 years ago

https://www.si.com/college/2016/01/28/ncaa-basketballs-most-recognized-referee-well-traveled-john-higgins

wacarnolds said:

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Fquin said:

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wacarnolds said:

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rondis23 said:

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94chem said:

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Payne, Obaseki, and Washington are elite talent, imo. Maybe not elite players, but any coach would welcome their athletic ability.

I've never seen better athletes in A&M uniforms. Maybe the 1980 squad was comparable for its time.

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Our roster is NOT loaded with NBA talent. We have some NBA G League guys with Potential for NBA contracts, but no lottery picks. There are NO DeAndre Jordan's or Khris Middleton's on this team. Buzz is getting the absolute Most out of the kids he's got.
(Payne is an interesting prospect but needs a lot of work).

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Middleton was not considered an elite prospect at any point ever. What are you even talking about?

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But, he was an elite player both at A&M and in the NBA. It would be cool to stumble onto a few more like him.

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He wasn't elite at A&M but this argument is so dumb I don't care to continue it

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But, still you felt the need to comment. Were you feeling left out. All comments are welcome no matter how vapid or mundane.

Fquin said:

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wacarnolds said:

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Fquin said:

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wacarnolds said:

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rondis23 said:

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94chem said:

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Payne, Obaseki, and Washington are elite talent, imo. Maybe not elite players, but any coach would welcome their athletic ability.

I've never seen better athletes in A&M uniforms. Maybe the 1980 squad was comparable for its time.

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Our roster is NOT loaded with NBA talent. We have some NBA G League guys with Potential for NBA contracts, but no lottery picks. There are NO DeAndre Jordan's or Khris Middleton's on this team. Buzz is getting the absolute Most out of the kids he's got.
(Payne is an interesting prospect but needs a lot of work).

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Middleton was not considered an elite prospect at any point ever. What are you even talking about?

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But, he was an elite player both at A&M and in the NBA. It would be cool to stumble onto a few more like him.

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He wasn't elite at A&M but this argument is so dumb I don't care to continue it

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But, still you felt the need to comment. Were you feeling left out. All comments are welcome no matter how vapid or mundane.

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No, I just find you irritatingly wrong and I barely met you

I'd argue that Time Lord was an elite prospect, physically, at least. He was the #1 player in Louisiana the year he came out. He wasn't a "super blue" or anything, but he has always been freaky.

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Fquin said:

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I sometimes miss the days of Winston Krite and Shelby Metcalf in the Holler House. But, I digress.

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You've digressed all over this thread. I mean I guess you enjoyed the win, but it's really hard to tell. I'll keep enjoying the win and let you continue on doing whatever it is you're doing.

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The best shot at my commenting history all night. I did enjoy the win. I do think we will get into the tournament as a three seed. And when our defense is on we can beat anybody anywhere. Defense travels. Gig'em Ags. And thanks for the laugh DTP02.