What is Buzz gonna do with Manny? Geez. How does that play out in the near future?

Btw... he laid on egg on the court and on Draftkings. A few more fantasy points and I would've won $100. lol

We need March Manny back!

We do need the March version back. The version on the court right now is very frustrating to watch. Seems very selfish and not able to finish at the rim. Seems like he is pushing too hard and ends up out of control and causing a bad shot or turnover. I am sure Buzz and other coaches are working through this, but hope he turns the corner soon. We have all seen what he is capable of.

I would say we've been here before and Manny has managed to figure it out and finish the season really well. So there's no reason to think it's hopeless.

I hope he returns to late season Manny soon.

rlb28 said:

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What is Buzz gonna do with Manny? Geez. How does that play out in the near future?

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The same thing he has been doing. Play him 14-20 minutes a night. We are wining.

At least Manny had 4 assists and NO turnover vs OU.
He didn't try to go one on five.
I think there will be a game or two where IV and Zhu are both ifn foul trouble,
and the team will need Manny to be last year's end of the season Manny! And
Manny will deliver!

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rlb28 said:

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What is Buzz gonna do with Manny? Geez. How does that play out in the near future?

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The same thing he has been doing. Play him 14-20 minutes a night. We are wining.

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Yep

And if late season manny ever shows up this team can go to another level

aggie-1997 said:

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Seems like he is pushing too hard and ends up out of control and causing a bad shot or turnover.

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He only has 6 turnovers in his last 9 games. 6 of those 9 games he had 0 turnovers. 5 of those 6 turnovers came vs ACU and HBU where he probably was trying to do too much vs inferior competition instead of playing within himself.

I think it was wishful thinking for people to expect us to see the Manny we saw at the end of last year. Buzz even said end of season Manny was not realistic to expect this year and I'm assuming that is based off what he say from him all offseason. The Manny we are seeing is is the Manny we have seen 90% of his career. I think realistic hope is you see something between end of season Manny and the Manny he has been 90% of his career. I will say what he is doing at the FT line has been impressive. Shooting 76% when he shot 56% last year.

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rlb28 said:

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What is Buzz gonna do with Manny? Geez. How does that play out in the near future?

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The same thing he has been doing. Play him 14-20 minutes a night. We are wining.

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I'm not so sure. Last year during conference this was his game log minutes: 9, 5, 11, 9, 6, 1, 13, 6, 7, 5, 13, 1... then he turned it on and was killing it.

I understand that ZPhelps went off, but the Aggies played better last night with Manny on the bench.

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MarcAg said:

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rlb28 said:

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What is Buzz gonna do with Manny? Geez. How does that play out in the near future?

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The same thing he has been doing. Play him 14-20 minutes a night. We are wining.

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I'm not so sure. Last year during conference this was his game log minutes: 9, 5, 11, 9, 6, 1, 13, 6, 7, 5, 13, 1... then he turned it on and was killing it.

I understand that ZPhelps went off, but the Aggies played better last night with Manny on the bench.

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We are on a 9 game winning steak and you think we need to change up things? Seems like what we are doing is working. Let's wait until the **** hits the fan before we start fixing problems that aren't really problems. It's not like they are playing Manny 30 minutes a night

If Manny is making his chaotic "backdown-and-spin-and throw-it-at-the-basket in the first ten seconds without passing" shots, like he did last March, he's a serious weapon and just gives the defense another element to worry about as others get open.

The problem is:
-He doesn't pass out of it, like ever
-It speeds up the game which almost always favors the opponent
-if he misses, it completely annihilates what makes our offense work. Nobody is in position for an offensive rebound and many times the defense turns their rebound into a quick transition bucket
-this year he's been missing more than making

If he's gonna play Manny Ball, I'd rather he at least fly into the lane at 100 mph and try to dunk it or lay it in, bc at least there's a chance he will draw a foul or kick it out of bounds 400 yards

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rlb28 said:

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MarcAg said:

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rlb28 said:

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What is Buzz gonna do with Manny? Geez. How does that play out in the near future?

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The same thing he has been doing. Play him 14-20 minutes a night. We are wining.

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I'm not so sure. Last year during conference this was his game log minutes: 9, 5, 11, 9, 6, 1, 13, 6, 7, 5, 13, 1... then he turned it on and was killing it.

I understand that ZPhelps went off, but the Aggies played better last night with Manny on the bench.

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We are on a 9 game winning steak and you think we need to change up things? Seems like what we are doing is working. Let's wait until the **** hits the fan before we start fixing problems that aren't really problems. It's not like they are playing Manny 30 minutes a night

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I didn't say we need to change. My original question was "What is Buzz gonna do with Manny?"

You basically said "stay the course", but In my opinion, Buzz might knock down some of his minutes. The box score will tell us.

And it might not happen right now with Wade out.

aggie-1997 said:

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We do need the March version back. The version on the court right now is very frustrating to watch. Seems very selfish and not able to finish at the rim. Seems like he is pushing too hard and ends up out of control and causing a bad shot or turnover. I am sure Buzz and other coaches are working through this, but hope he turns the corner soon. We have all seen what he is capable of.

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Folks want to criticize aspects of Manny's game, okay. But he doesn't deserve to be categorized as a 'selfish player'. The guy is about the team all the way.

The "Manny is a selfish player" is a bad take. Playing him a the 1 is a tough assignment. He is a better 2

Confused by this thread. Bc we are winning. A top 10 team about to have our first home top 10 match up ever! These type of threads typically only show up when we are losing. I guess we need to find something to complain about.

There's really no reason to throw stones at any individuals on this team. They are all playing their roles great. As Buzz said they understand but even more important, accepting. I think some of our fans need to learn the acceptance aspect as well.

Just because MO has not been the player he was at the end of last season does not mean he hasn't been good. As of late he has created assists well on offense and has protected the basketball. He is also probably the 3rd best defender on our team.

I don't know, but if there is a coach on campus that I trust it is undoubtedly Buzz!

He's not a distributor at a high level! When someone else is manning the point and Obaseki is able to attack the paint, that's when he's at his best! He can then either take it to the rim and get fouled or dish it to Coleman or Payne near the basket!

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-if he misses, it completely annihilates what makes our offense work. Nobody is in position for an offensive rebound and many times the defense turns their rebound into a quick transition bucket

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This is the part that frustrates me so much.

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-if he misses, it completely annihilates what makes our offense work. Nobody is in position for an offensive rebound and many times the defense turns their rebound into a quick transition bucket

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This is the part that frustrates me so much.

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This is not true though. For the most part if Many takes the ball to the basket, it's late in the shot clock so all our players should be in position to get a rebound.

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aggie-1997 said:

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Seems like he is pushing too hard and ends up out of control and causing a bad shot or turnover.

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He only has 6 turnovers in his last 9 games. 6 of those 9 games he had 0 turnovers. 5 of those 6 turnovers came vs ACU and HBU where he probably was trying to do too much vs inferior competition instead of playing within himself.

I think it was wishful thinking for people to expect us to see the Manny we saw at the end of last year. Buzz even said end of season Manny was not realistic to expect this year and I'm assuming that is based off what he say from him all offseason. The Manny we are seeing is is the Manny we have seen 90% of his career. I think realistic hope is you see something between end of season Manny and the Manny he has been 90% of his career. I will say what he is doing at the FT line has been impressive. Shooting 76% when he shot 56% last year.

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I completely agree with this statement except his shot selection in a crowded lane with everyone knowing he isnt passing may not be a turnover but a missed shot but those type shots are nearly the same because we dont offensively rebound those attempts compared to other shots

That said Manny of March can easily figure it out in next two months and even if he doesnt he can at least minimize those plays over next two months

If you pick at a scab, eventually its going to bleed.

This is not the scab to be picking at.

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Confused by this thread. Bc we are winning. A top 10 team about to have our first home top 10 match up ever! These type of threads typically only show up when we are losing. I guess we need to find something to complain about.

There's really no reason to throw stones at any individuals on this team. They are all playing their roles great. As Buzz said they understand but even more important, accepting. I think some of our fans need to learn the acceptance aspect as well.

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It's tradition for Aggies to be miserable and complain about something. I thought you knew. Lol!

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aggie-1997 said:

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Seems like he is pushing too hard and ends up out of control and causing a bad shot or turnover.

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He only has 6 turnovers in his last 9 games. 6 of those 9 games he had 0 turnovers. 5 of those 6 turnovers came vs ACU and HBU where he probably was trying to do too much vs inferior competition instead of playing within himself.

I think it was wishful thinking for people to expect us to see the Manny we saw at the end of last year. Buzz even said end of season Manny was not realistic to expect this year and I'm assuming that is based off what he say from him all offseason. The Manny we are seeing is is the Manny we have seen 90% of his career. I think realistic hope is you see something between end of season Manny and the Manny he has been 90% of his career. I will say what he is doing at the FT line has been impressive. Shooting 76% when he shot 56% last year.

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Every out of control wild drive to the bucket ending in a missed shot is exactly like a turnover. Manny has far too many of those right now. With his superior athleticism, if he could learn to dribble with his head up, he could be a tremendous asset to this team. Currently he is not.

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I guess for some. Never understood that one myself.

Just funny that it's hard for them to accept something that's a positive. A good thing. A fun thing.

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rlb28 said:

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What is Buzz gonna do with Manny? Geez. How does that play out in the near future?

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The same thing he has been doing. Play him 14-20 minutes a night. We are wining.

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In spite of his ball handling and shots.

Yeah at this point Manny is who he is. You put him in when Phelps or Taylor need a blow or are off their game and you see how it goes. Maybe it's working and you roll with it for a bit, maybe it's not and you get him out and try something else.

I still just don't really get how Manny can't take a page out of the Carter playbook and blend into the game sometimes. I know sometimes we need him to run point, that's why he's out there is giving Taylor or Phelps a break, but last night he was on the court WITH Phelps at times. Just go hang out in the corner and see if anything bounces your way and then go get an offensive board and go play defense. Maybe occasionally your defender leaves you and you flash to the high post or down the baseline for a dunk.

But no, when Manny is in the game, the ball finds him and sticks to him.

The Manny or Zu is selfish stuff would make more sense to me if the other guys on the team were actually getting open to catch a pass.

I thought the elephant was that Henry Coleman goes up with zero aggressiveness when he is right next to the rim for a layup or a dunk. He jumps completely differently with the ball in his hand vs rebounding

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Yeah at this point Manny is who he is. You put him in when Phelps or Taylor need a blow or are off their game and you see how it goes. Maybe it's working and you roll with it for a bit, maybe it's not and you get him out and try something else.

I still just don't really get how Manny can't take a page out of the Carter playbook and blend into the game sometimes. I know sometimes we need him to run point, that's why he's out there is giving Taylor or Phelps a break, but last night he was on the court WITH Phelps at times. Just go hang out in the corner and see if anything bounces your way and then go get an offensive board and go play defense. Maybe occasionally your defender leaves you and you flash to the high post or down the baseline for a dunk.

But no, when Manny is in the game, the ball finds him and sticks to him.

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I think this is why it SEEMS that Manny is selfish. Then, once it sticks he has to figure out what to do as the shot clock is running down. A lot of times it's a bad shot and those typically seem selfish.

I think you just play it by ear every game. He will always get some amount of minutes, and if he is effective you keep him in. BUT you have to be ready to take him out once he loses it

Yeah I said this yesterday in another thread but "selfish" isn't the right word because it confers an emotion or an arrogance that isn't really there.

Taylor, at times, is selfish. Not necessarily in a bad way, but in the way that he thinks he's the most likely player on the court to make the shot we need. In his defense, he's right a lot. And all great players have a selfish streak at times. They want the ball, they want to take the shot.

Manny just doesn't see the floor. Guys have to be WIDE open for him to pass it, and then definitely once he's on the move he's not passing it. Again, not that he's not willing, I just don't think he sees the floor.

He's like a mobile quarterback with bad field vision. If the first read is player X and player X is wide open, he'll throw it and he does fine, if not, he's not a great improviser in the pocket and once he's on the move his eyes aren't down the field, he's looking at what's in front of him.

At this point, the default is that Manny figures it out around mid conference play and is one of our best players at the end of the season. To think otherwise is to ignore every year prior not counting his injured year. So just keep playing him, and maybe he turns it on sooner than before. We have options in any game if he isn't performing.

My theory is that he just takes a really long time to understand the guys around him. And even though we have loaded roster of players he's been with a long time, you have Phelps, Payne, and Wilcher who are new and who have tendencies he wasn't used to. Especially Phelps. But history says it will eventually click. And if it does, watch out. A healthy Wade and clicked Manny with this roster could be scary good.

My theory is that over the course of the season we form an identity on offense and the more opponents scheme to stop that identity the more of a wildcard Manny becomes.

That and the fact that he doesn't play all that much most of the year and is an incredible athlete he might be fresher at the end of the season that most people.

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Yeah I said this yesterday in another thread but "selfish" isn't the right word because it confers an emotion or an arrogance that isn't really there.

Taylor, at times, is selfish. Not necessarily in a bad way, but in the way that he thinks he's the most likely player on the court to make the shot we need. In his defense, he's right a lot. And all great players have a selfish streak at times. They want the ball, they want to take the shot.

Manny just doesn't see the floor. Guys have to be WIDE open for him to pass it, and then definitely once he's on the move he's not passing it. Again, not that he's not willing, I just don't think he sees the floor.

He's like a mobile quarterback with bad field vision. If the first read is player X and player X is wide open, he'll throw it and he does fine, if not, he's not a great improviser in the pocket and once he's on the move his eyes aren't down the field, he's looking at what's in front of him.

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I agree that it is a very good analogy to me! Actually I think Phelps is very similar to Manny but Phelps is an overall better scorer and has slightly better vision but not much.