t - cam said:

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TyperWoods said:

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I'm a big pro-Buzz guy.

I wouldn't extend right now.

We need a better showing next season, he dug himself a hole with the results years 1 & 2. I get the COVID thing.

We need a good SEC record and an NCAA Tourney win next season.

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Year 2 was COViD. Year 1 was a pretty good coaching job. Last year and this year are good years.

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Year 1 was meh, they got better towards the end.

I pretty much throw out the COVID season, but it seemed we regressed a bit from our late season 1 trajectory.

Last year was ok due to a late run, and the NIT run. We should have been in the tourney. But, we weren't.

This year was great once the SEC schedule began. But the ass kicking we took the last two games took some of the shine off.

This is a depressing thread.

I'd rather let him walk to another school than extend him this year. We need to wait one more year for those negotiations.

greg.w.h said:

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BQ_90 said:

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TMF said:

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I would give extension of 2-3 years but no raise. Let's see what he can do with some returning talent.

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i think the current contract has built in 100k raise a year, my guess is when we extend, we extend that too

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If the goal is to get him up leave, don't raise or extend him and go fund our next Watkins or Davis hire…

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I don't think we can do better than Buzz. I just think he is paid enough for what he has accomplished. I don't think we need to way over pay though or pay so much there is no incentive. Maybe keep same salary as base and office some nice incentives. But a as t the end of the day it's not our moneys so who cares.

Booma94 said:

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BQ_90 said:

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nobody wants to play in the NIT. The only tourney that matters is the NCAAs.

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I don't think that's a true statement either. There are 352 D-1 programs. 68 make the dance, another 4-8 are on the bubble and are pissed that they didn't make the dance. That makes about 276 programs that would like to be in the NIT.

We finished 2nd in what is arguably the toughest basketball conference in the country, and have made it to the championship game of the conference tourney 2 consecutive years. While I admit that not winning an NCAA tourney game is frustrating, and the manner in which we lost our last 2 games is maddening, it's obvious that the program is making progress. While I question whether a raise is warranted, I don't think there is any question that Buzz should be extended.

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The NCAA tournament is the goal of every D1 program and that is beyond dispute. But if nobody wants to play in the NIT, then how do they force 32 teams to play it year in and year out? UNC found a loophole that allowed them to sit home and pout this off season so maybe we should ask them.

Most coaches who are not the head of programs named UNC realize that postseason basketball is good for the development of younger players and can extend the college playing days of the upperclassmen as a reasonable reward for a good season.
I guarantee you about 99 percent of the Div 1 teams that missed the NCAA tournament would enjoy a shot at the NIT.
Are the snobs gonna turn up their noses like UNC and take their ball and go home?
Sure.
But most programs actually would be better off playing some more.

Double Diamond said:

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Bet Villanova was glad they didn't move on from Jay Wright. It took Jay awhile to really get Villanova going. Was a constant tourney flop. But they saw the fit. Buzz fits here. Has a track record of winning. And showed with his back against the wall this year some big time fight.

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Meh that's overrated now with the transfer portal.

It no longer takes years to build a program in college basketball. Don't ever let anyone tell you it does. https://t.co/OQxaIemxnz

— Power Mizzou (@PowerMizzoucom) March 18, 2023

Didn't say built. But get it going in the tourney. The portal doesn't help a one and done tourney that is so much about match ups. A&M plays so many other teams they win Thursday. It's such a crap shoot to judge everything on one game.

Divining Rod said:

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Frydaddy713 said:

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We need to hire better contract lawyers.

I'd love if we stopped giving crazy sums of guaranteed money and instead threw in some ridiculous money as bonus incentives for winning

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This should be the norm, because if a coach wont bet on himself, why should we? and why would any recruit loking for a winner?

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Good coaches with a successful record don't have to bet on themselves, they have the luxury of taking the highest bid from a program very anxious to make a "good hire." Moreover, top tier recruits are very likely to go to the highest bidder. It's always about the money.

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fieldtrailer said:

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StinkyPinky said:

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JJxvi said:

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What he gets paid is irrelevant. Buzz Williams is literally the only coach in the country who could conceivably command a top 10 salary that would actually take the job at Texas A&M. Pretty much the only reason he's here is because he wanted to be here. Firing or letting Buzz Williams walk doesnt equal hiring Mick Cronin or some nonsense, it means taking a flyer on someone else who hasnt done anything yet and hoping and praying or doing something dumb (and yet would have been lauded by this message board a few years ago) like hiring a guy like Avery Johnson and wasting a **** ton of money.

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Someone gets it

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Is he saying Buzz Williams is the only coach we can get and so we should just be happy with what we have? Or am I reading it wrong?

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He's saying that you are going to have to overpay a guy like buzz to come here. The line forms to the left if he's made available.

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we can pay far less for the same results. Why is the assumption we have to overpay.

I think we've learned you can't buy wins in football and MBB

But it's moot point, he's not getting fired. The question at hand is he getting extended

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People act like they would be content if he was paid much less, but we could pay him in Aggie Bucks and folks would still complain with exactly the same zeal. It's a total red herring and literally nobody tempers their reactions about a coach relative to their salary, but so many pretend it makes a difference.

t - cam said:

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BQ_90 said:

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t - cam said:

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If you're upset with buzz at A&M I don't know what to tell you. He's had 3 very good coaching years. You can't all agree the committee screwed us then blame buzz for getting screwed.

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3 good years, with zero tourney wins?

You forgot to blame covid too.

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You can blame the committee, he should have had a chance at winning a game last year. He should have been playing a 12 or 13 seed this year. That game last night sucked and I'm not sure we'll ever play a game again where the other team is over 70% from 3 with 5 minutes to go but that's why the screw job mattered.

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Every season here, we have had a stretch of games where we look absolutely awful that give the committee the opportunity to "screw us." The 8 straight losses in 2021-2022, non-conference this year, those non-conference losses in his first year when we could barely put up 50 points in a game, but we maybe forget about it because of Covid. (We were just plain awful in 2020-2021)

Until he stops the roller coaster routine, it's on him and there's got to be some questions about him putting together a full season here.

As far as his salary, I always say that our athletic department isn't an investment bank. Sure, results vis a vis salary matter some but we're not trying to have the cheapest wins. We're trying to win. Someone made a good point earlier that Buzz is something of a unicorn in that he's an experienced guy with a winning track record that was willing to come to A&M.

We can fire him, not-extend him, whatever, and pay some guy less who might win more compared to his salary but he's probably going to be a gamble regarding making us a routine second weekend team.

Double Diamond said:

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Bet Villanova was glad they didn't move on from Jay Wright. It took Jay awhile to really get Villanova going. Was a constant tourney flop. But they saw the fit. Buzz fits here. Has a track record of winning. And showed with his back against the wall this year some big time fight.

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Jay Wright was in the Sweet 16 in year 4 and the Elite Eight in year 5.

In fact, he made at least the Sweet 16 in 4 of his first 5 NCAA tournaments. (Years 4 through 8 at Villanova.)

TXAggie2011 said:

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Double Diamond said:

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Bet Villanova was glad they didn't move on from Jay Wright. It took Jay awhile to really get Villanova going. Was a constant tourney flop. But they saw the fit. Buzz fits here. Has a track record of winning. And showed with his back against the wall this year some big time fight.

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Jay Wright was in the Sweet 16 in year 4 and the Elite Eight in year 5.

In fact, he made at least the Sweet 16 in 4 of his first 5 NCAA tournaments. (Years 4 through 8 at Villanova.)

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What were their matchups in the tournament?

Baylor made back to back elite eights a few years ago without ever playing a power five team. In one of them they never played a single digit seed.

A racist, a wife beater, an alcoholic and a sociopath walk into a bar.

Bartender says "welcome former Texas Tech basketball coaches!"

TXAggie2011 said:

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Double Diamond said:

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Bet Villanova was glad they didn't move on from Jay Wright. It took Jay awhile to really get Villanova going. Was a constant tourney flop. But they saw the fit. Buzz fits here. Has a track record of winning. And showed with his back against the wall this year some big time fight.

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Jay Wright was in the Sweet 16 in year 4 and the Elite Eight in year 5.

In fact, he made at least the Sweet 16 in 4 of his first 5 NCAA tournaments. (Years 4 through 8 at Villanova.)

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Buzz is a fit here. Things will work out.