Flagrant 2 on Caruso and he is now ejected. Some things never change.

Saw that. What a deck

Grayson Allen draws a flagrant 2 for a HARD foul on Alex Caruso pic.twitter.com/NjCJEzo7zu

— Bulls Talk (@NBCSBulls) January 22, 2022

Didn't look dirty to me.

If he drew a flagrant 2, then it sounds like the officials saw what we see. And remember they can review the film to adjust the foul up from a common foul if they choose to.

A flagrant 2 means Grayson in their opinion committed a severe, non-basketball action with an intent to injure. If you can't see anything wrong with that then you have a problem. He visibly is rotating Caruso's head in air towards the floor using his shared momentum in space.

Presuming the flagrant 2 stood, he was ejected and potentially could be fined just for his actions in addition to sitting out.

https://official.nba.com/trigger/review-of-called-foul/

fat girlfriend said:

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Didn't look dirty to me.

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The first move going for the ball wasn't. The second move intentionally swatting at Caruso's arms, when the ball was already clearly dislodged and out of play, was a ***** move.

Looks like a good hard foul in which Allen is making sure Caruso can't finish. These plays happen in about one second. Sure the ball was dislodged but in real time that isn't part of the thought process on defense while the play is occurring. NBA is soft.

misterguinness said:

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Looks like a good hard foul in which Allen is making sure Caruso can't finish. These plays happen in about one second. Sure the ball was dislodged but in real time that isn't part of the thought process on defense while the play is occurring. NBA is soft.

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Have you ever seen Grayson Allen play? This idiot does this "accidentally on purpose" stuff all the time.

Foul didn't look all that flagrant to me, but after he got ejected he's over on the sideline laughing and almost acting like he tried to do it. F him.

Thuggish

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misterguinness said:

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Looks like a good hard foul in which Allen is making sure Caruso can't finish. These plays happen in about one second. Sure the ball was dislodged but in real time that isn't part of the thought process on defense while the play is occurring. NBA is soft.

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Have you ever seen Grayson Allen play? This idiot does this "accidentally on purpose" stuff all the time.

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Yes, and I said it was a hard foul. Hard fouls are all done "on purpose". The amount of "and-1s" in the NBA is laughable. If you are going to foul, don't let them score. That's what Allen did. Again, the NBA is soft.

Sounds like some of you guys never actually have gotten spun hard and in the air. I did back in the day going for a dunk. Guy tried to foul me hard to keep the ball from going in. But he used a second hand to spin me. It was scary for me in that one second. I landed in a way that thankfully didn't break anything, but easily could have because I couldn't control how I was going to land.

That is a hard, dirty, dangerous foul. It might not look that way to everyone, but it is.

Chicago Bulls guard Alex Caruso has suffered a fractured right wrist and will likely need surgery, sources tell ESPN. The injury occurred after a fall following a flagrant foul from Milwaukee’s Grayson Allen on Friday night.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) January 22, 2022

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"Dude just grabbed me out of the air," Caruso said after Friday's game. "It's kind of bulls---. I don't know what else you can do about it. I'm just glad that I didn't have any major scary injuries right away."

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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33124289/chicago-bulls-g-alex-caruso-surgery-fractured-wrist-6-8-weeks-says-team

misterguinness said:

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Psych said:

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misterguinness said:

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Looks like a good hard foul in which Allen is making sure Caruso can't finish. These plays happen in about one second. Sure the ball was dislodged but in real time that isn't part of the thought process on defense while the play is occurring. NBA is soft.

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Have you ever seen Grayson Allen play? This idiot does this "accidentally on purpose" stuff all the time.

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Yes, and I said it was a hard foul. Hard fouls are all done "on purpose". The amount of "and-1s" in the NBA is laughable. If you are going to foul, don't let them score. That's what Allen did. Again, the NBA is soft.

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Yep that's exactly what Allen did. He did it so well that Alex won't be scoring for the rest of the year.

LawHall88 said:

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Chicago Bulls guard Alex Caruso has suffered a fractured right wrist and will likely need surgery, sources tell ESPN. The injury occurred after a fall following a flagrant foul from Milwaukee’s Grayson Allen on Friday night.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) January 22, 2022

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Finished the game with a wrist fracture...

Caruso out 6-8 weeks

Allen should be suspended for the same

...this is exactly what I was talking about. I feel so bad for Caruso... he has been such a joy to watch. I hope he recovers quickly.

Allen has shown time and time again he is just a child that cannot control his temper.

fat girlfriend said:

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Didn't look dirty to me.

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Dirty? Well, fat girlfriend, with your vertical I'm sure you've never experienced being knocked sideways while several feet off the ground, but that was about about the most dangerous and unsportsmanlike play that can be made in a game. The only thing worse, mind you, I'm not talking about punches or crimimal cheap shots, would be undercutting someone on a breakaway. That play made by Allen has no place in the game, and just because the Pistons got away with it 30 years ago doesn't make it okay.

JPAggie2010 said:

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Sounds like some of you guys never actually have gotten spun hard and in the air. I did back in the day going for a dunk. Guy tried to foul me hard to keep the ball from going in. But he used a second hand to spin me. It was scary for me in that one second. I landed in a way that thankfully didn't break anything, but easily could have because I couldn't control how I was going to land.

That is a hard, dirty, dangerous foul. It might not look that way to everyone, but it is.

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Exactly. Some of these posters come across like the blowhard football players who tell my XC daughter they could easily run a 6 minute mile, but they'd puke up a week's worth of biscuits if they ever did half the conditioning of the freshman girls team.

94chem said:

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JPAggie2010 said:

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Sounds like some of you guys never actually have gotten spun hard and in the air. I did back in the day going for a dunk. Guy tried to foul me hard to keep the ball from going in. But he used a second hand to spin me. It was scary for me in that one second. I landed in a way that thankfully didn't break anything, but easily could have because I couldn't control how I was going to land.

That is a hard, dirty, dangerous foul. It might not look that way to everyone, but it is.

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Exactly. Some of these posters come across like the blowhard football players who tell my XC daughter they could easily run a 6 minute mile, but they'd puke up a week's worth of biscuits if they ever did half the conditioning of the freshman girls team.

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Exactly, the initial contact is just a hard foul no one would have thought twice about a few decades ago. That second hand which exaggerated the spin really put Caruso in peril unnecessarily.

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If he drew a flagrant 2, then it sounds like the officials saw what we see. And remember they can review the film to adjust the foul up from a common foul if they choose to.

A flagrant 2 means Grayson in their opinion committed a severe, non-basketball action with an intent to injure. If you can't see anything wrong with that then you have a problem. He visibly is rotating Caruso's head in air towards the floor using his shared momentum in space.

Presuming the flagrant 2 stood, he was ejected and potentially could be fined just for his actions in addition to sitting out.

https://official.nba.com/trigger/review-of-called-foul/

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The second swipe is flagrant with potential or intent to injure...which is what happened. Should be a major fine.

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fat girlfriend said:

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Didn't look dirty to me.

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Dirty? Well, fat girlfriend, with your vertical I'm sure you've never experienced being knocked sideways while several feet off the ground, but that was about about the most dangerous and unsportsmanlike play that can be made in a game. The only thing worse, mind you, I'm not talking about punches or crimimal cheap shots, would be undercutting someone on a breakaway. That play made by Allen has no place in the game, and just because the Pistons got away with it 30 years ago doesn't make it okay.

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AC was in the air in a vulnerable position. The play was over. No need for the cheap shot swipe.

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94chem said:

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fat girlfriend said:

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Didn't look dirty to me.

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Dirty? Well, fat girlfriend, with your vertical I'm sure you've never experienced being knocked sideways while several feet off the ground, but that was about about the most dangerous and unsportsmanlike play that can be made in a game. The only thing worse, mind you, I'm not talking about punches or crimimal cheap shots, would be undercutting someone on a breakaway. That play made by Allen has no place in the game, and just because the Pistons got away with it 30 years ago doesn't make it okay.

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AC was in the air in a vulnerable position. The play was over. No need for the cheap shot swipe.

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I was at a UNC game in about 1997, and a Clemson player undercut Vince Carter on a breakaway. Almost saw Dean Smith and Rick Barnes come to blows. Teddy Dupay did the same thing to a Michigan State player in 2000, I think. I actually hated Billy Donovan for years after that, unfairly...turns out Dupay was just a thug.

94chem said:

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DukeMu said:

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94chem said:

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fat girlfriend said:

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Didn't look dirty to me.

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Dirty? Well, fat girlfriend, with your vertical I'm sure you've never experienced being knocked sideways while several feet off the ground, but that was about about the most dangerous and unsportsmanlike play that can be made in a game. The only thing worse, mind you, I'm not talking about punches or crimimal cheap shots, would be undercutting someone on a breakaway. That play made by Allen has no place in the game, and just because the Pistons got away with it 30 years ago doesn't make it okay.

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AC was in the air in a vulnerable position. The play was over. No need for the cheap shot swipe.

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I was at a UNC game in about 1997, and a Clemson player undercut Vince Carter on a breakaway. Almost saw Dean Smith and Rick Barnes come to blows. Teddy Dupay did the same thing to a Michigan State player in 2000, I think. I actually hated Billy Donovan for years after that, unfairly...turns out Dupay was just a thug.

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Those Clemson teams were mega physical.

That happens so fast that you have no idea where the floor is until you hit it.

That was a very cheap dirty foul from a very cheap dirty player.

He was a jerk at Duke and he's still a jerk.

The NBA is suspending Milwaukee’s Grayson Allen for one game over the flagrant 2 foul on Chicago’s Alex Caruso that caused a fractured wrist, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) January 23, 2022

Boy did they show him.

Allen should be out as long as Caruso is out.

Hungry Ojos said:

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Foul didn't look all that flagrant to me, but after he got ejected he's over on the sideline laughing and almost acting like he tried to do it. F him.

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Agreed. I didn't have a big problem with the foul, but did have a problem with his deusheburger attitude afterwards.

Has anyone ever sent Grayson Allen to the hospital? Seems like his schtick continues, only receiving foul calls and suspensions, but no one is ever mad enough to retaliate. Isn't that what the guys at the end of the bench are for?

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fat girlfriend said:

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Didn't look dirty to me.

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Dirty? Well, fat girlfriend, with your vertical I'm sure you've never experienced being knocked sideways while several feet off the ground, but that was about about the most dangerous and unsportsmanlike play that can be made in a game. The only thing worse, mind you, I'm not talking about punches or crimimal cheap shots, would be undercutting someone on a breakaway. That play made by Allen has no place in the game, and just because the Pistons got away with it 30 years ago doesn't make it okay.

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Good grief!!! Some of you Nancy's need to get a life. It was a hard foul. Basketball today is like football…get use to it.

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Good grief!!! Some of you Nancy's need to get a life. It was a hard foul. Basketball today is like football…get use to it.

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Given Allen's history, he's lost the privilege of committing a hard foul. And rightly so. He's the complete opposite of the tough guys of the 80's and 90's. Hopefully someday he will get his, hopefully Joe Wilbert-style.

Then you didn't watch enough NBA back then. Today's NBA is soft….hell I see more toughness in AAU 12U then today's NBA and the kids don't cry either.

nu awlins ag said:

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Then you didn't watch enough NBA back then. Today's NBA is soft….hell I see more toughness in AAU 12U then today's NBA and the kids don't cry either.

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AAU 12U? Comparing AAU to the NBA. I don't know even know where to begin.