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Reminds me a little of what happened to BCG wen he went from his roster at aTm to 5-star Central at UK. Those freshman blue chips weren't interested in his system or his brutal workouts.

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Bcg inherited ONE "5 star" at Kentucky, and that player actually had his best season under BCG. A&M had more talent/better players in 2007-2008 than Kentucky.

It doesn't matter if we can outbid Tech. You are only going to pay so much money for a cheeseburger.

Beard is making $3.2 at Tech... After this season, they'd certainly be able to rally the donors to $3.8+ to keep him from going to an in-state "rival".

And we aren't going to pay $4.5m+ for a basketball coach, much less one who hasn't been around long enough to put multiple major skins on the wall.

So money isn't gong to get Beard to leave Tech for A&M. Program prestige certainly isn't gonna do it. And we're not any more of a stepping stone for the blueblood/Texas job than Tech.

Zero chance for Beard to come here.

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Probably better for the horns if they lose. Miss the tourney, fire Shaka, hire Chris Beard.

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Friend of mine from Austin said that's exactly what's going to happen! All at the end of the season!

The Sips have the money for Shaka's buyout!

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It doesn't matter if we can outbid Tech. You are only going to pay so much money for a cheeseburger.

Beard is making $3.2 at Tech... After this season, they'd certainly be able to rally the donors to $3.8+ to keep him from going to an in-state "rival".

And we aren't going to pay $4.5m+ for a basketball coach, much less one who hasn't been around long enough to put multiple major skins on the wall.

So money isn't gong to get Beard to leave Tech for A&M. Program prestige certainly isn't gonna do it. And we're not any more of a stepping stone for the blueblood/Texas job than Tech.

Zero chance for Beard to come here.

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So, the Sips will do that easily.

Yeah - major B.A.S.

AggieDad74 said:

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TAMU bball fan said:

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Probably better for the horns if they lose. Miss the tourney, fire Shaka, hire Chris Beard.

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Friend of mine from Austin said that's exactly what's going to happen! All at the end of the season!

The Sips have the money for Shaka's buyout!

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Likely scenario.

DukeMu said:

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free_mhayden said:

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It doesn't matter if we can outbid Tech. You are only going to pay so much money for a cheeseburger.

Beard is making $3.2 at Tech... After this season, they'd certainly be able to rally the donors to $3.8+ to keep him from going to an in-state "rival".

And we aren't going to pay $4.5m+ for a basketball coach, much less one who hasn't been around long enough to put multiple major skins on the wall.

So money isn't gong to get Beard to leave Tech for A&M. Program prestige certainly isn't gonna do it. And we're not any more of a stepping stone for the blueblood/Texas job than Tech.

Zero chance for Beard to come here.

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So, the Sips will do that easily.

Yeah - major B.A.S.

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I wouldn't call that B.A.S... Texas as a likely landing spot for Beard has been a high probability ever since he started to have success.

Yeah, I think these posts are weird.

We could get Buzz (or Musselman) for less than what it would take to get Beard, so why would we go after Beard?

Meanwhile, he's an alum of Texas, so it makes sense that they might be willing to go above and beyond to get him.

Doesn't have anything to do with "BAS," it's just the reality of the situation.

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Kind of like Cuonzo Martin getting out before he got fired.

If we're just sitting around spitballing ideas, I wonder if Shaka going to LSU makes a lot of sense for everyone.

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bobinator said:

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Kind of like Cuonzo Martin getting out before he got fired.

If we're just sitting around spitballing ideas, I wonder if Shaka going to LSU makes a lot of sense for everyone.

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That'd require Shaka to give up a ton of money though. His next gig won't pay near what his current one will regardless of it he gets out of dodge or gets fired in a year. Is he willing to give up $16M just to start that clock over?

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Yeah, I think these posts are weird.

We could get Buzz (or Musselman) for less than what it would take to get Beard, so why would we go after Beard?

Meanwhile, he's an alum of Texas, so it makes sense that they might be willing to go above and beyond to get him.

Doesn't have anything to do with "BAS," it's just the reality of the situation.

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The situation changed only because Shaka and the Sips tanked today. The same arguments about being outbid by TT have been argued for months. We generate $212M in revenue last year.

No question that t.u. will put as much money on the table as is necessary to bring Beard home.

Onto Musselmen and Buzz.

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bobinator said:

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Kind of like Cuonzo Martin getting out before he got fired.

If we're just sitting around spitballing ideas, I wonder if Shaka going to LSU makes a lot of sense for everyone.

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Not for LSU.

It's not always just about the money. Obviously that's a lot to leave on the table, but if he thinks he's going to get fired after next season at Texas, it would at least give him some options on his landing spot.

I went to grad school at Tech and still live in Lubbock. I'd be a little surprised if Beard left after this year. He seems to love Tech, and he's dating a coach at one of the high schools. Plus with how terrible football is now, he's getting tons of support right now.

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It's not always just about the money. Obviously that's a lot to leave on the table, but if he thinks he's going to get fired after next season at Texas, it would at least give him some options on his landing spot.

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Fair assessment.

It isn't something on the table and I'm not suggesting it at all, but is it weird if I think he'd actually do well at a school like A&M? For all the reasons mentioned earlier about getting that middle tier of recruit and keeping them, I think that is the kind of thing we'd be pretty good at.

No, I kind of agree he'd be good here. Obviously that's not going to happen for a variety of reasons, but just hypothetically.

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Kind of like Cuonzo Martin getting out before he got fired.

If we're just sitting around spitballing ideas, I wonder if Shaka going to LSU makes a lot of sense for everyone.

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Which stop did Cuonzo leave before getting fired?

Tennessee. He wasn't going to get fired right then, same as Shaka probably isn't getting fired at Texas, but it certainly seemed unlikely that he was going to be there much longer.

His last year he went to the Sweet 16.
I know people wanted them to hire Bruce Pearl, but I think Cuonzo left because he didn't believe the fan base was giving him a fair shake, not because the AD was going to make a move or he was in danger.
Maybe we're talking about the same thing, but I think it's a very different situation than Shaka.

They made the Sweet 16 but they were also one of the last teams in the field, they were in the "first four." Again, he wasn't going to get fired that season, but the fans were definitely groaning.

Just look up articles from back then. A lot of people saw him taking the Cal job as basically ducking out of Tennessee.

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I think Shaka is safe either way for this year.

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You're right about that.
Shaka Smart has a fully guaranteed contract through 2022-2023 that owes him $16M. Fire him, $16M.
He's not going anywhere.
The likely move by administration will be forcing Shaka to make changes to his staff.

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Changes to his staff, maybe move his desk to the basement and take away his favorite red Swingline stapler.

Beard isn't leaving Tech unless it's for a blue blood type program. Several big ones could be open soon (UCLA this year).

Shaka will be there another year barring a MAJOR surprise.

Shaka will be there another year.

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Depending on how this year finishes out, you might see Tony Benford keep the interim tag. He's well respected in the coaching community, and despite his failures as a head coach at U-North Texas, it might be worth keeping him around (if he's not involved with any NCAA violations that Wade may have committed) to keep things moving in a positive direction despite potential NCAA issues.
Give him a two or three year deal and get through NCAA potential issues and hire someone at a more elite level.

Just spit-firing here, but I wouldn't be shocked.

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I would definitely be Shocked. Even as a placeholder.

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DukeMu said:

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Shaka Can. Shaka Can. Shaka Can. Shaka Can.


MG - if we could get Beard for next year.

...or Buzz.

Musselmen and Beard are certainly fantasy hires.


This is a much better job than most people think.

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How good the A&M job is during this coaching cycle has everything to do with what OTHER jobs are available for head coaches who are ready to make a move.

Musselman is ready, highest paid Nevada public employee at $1M...he's going to get money somewhere
Beard would probably move for more money...$3.1M through 2023-2024
Buzz is going to have to be paid to move...I believe the most he will make at the end of his deal at Va Tech is $3.3M

Is A&M willing to pay a HC $4M to get the guy they want?

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Yes. And it would be worth it.

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Excuse me, but is the massive Kyle Field, as well as the recent and future stadium building and renovations for all of the other athletic venues totally built and paid off yet?

Woodward has these issues at the forefront, not the expense of recruiting some big time basketball coach, when he is already staring at a $75 miiion/multi-year contract for a relatively new, but proven football coach and then, looking at buying out the contract of a "buddy" basketball coach?

Doesn't quite make sense! Either here at A&M with BK, or over at tu with Shaka!

I personally feel that both of these head coaches are staying, unless either or both suddenly become "scandalized!" Or Administration makes it so damned unbearable that they'll just pack up and leave overnight!

For as long as their personal bills are still being paid and with their contracts intact, they are both staying happily put!

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DukeMu said:

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John Pugliese said:

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DukeMu said:

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Shaka Can. Shaka Can. Shaka Can. Shaka Can.


MG - if we could get Beard for next year.

...or Buzz.

Musselmen and Beard are certainly fantasy hires.


This is a much better job than most people think.

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How good the A&M job is during this coaching cycle has everything to do with what OTHER jobs are available for head coaches who are ready to make a move.

Musselman is ready, highest paid Nevada public employee at $1M...he's going to get money somewhere
Beard would probably move for more money...$3.1M through 2023-2024
Buzz is going to have to be paid to move...I believe the most he will make at the end of his deal at Va Tech is $3.3M

Is A&M willing to pay a HC $4M to get the guy they want?

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Yes. And it would be worth it.

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Excuse me, but is the massive Kyle Field, as well as the recent and future stadium building and renovations for all of the other athletic venues totally paid off yet?

Woodward has these issues at the forefront, not the expense of recruiting a big time basketball coach, when he is already staring at a $75 miiion/ multi-year contract for a relatively new football coach and then looking at buying out the contract of a buddy basketball coach?

Doesn't quite make sense! Either here at A&M with BK, or over at tu with Shaka!

I personally feel that both of them are staying, unless either or both suddenly become "scandalized!"

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You already got exposed as a sip troll. Run along now.

Beard will end up in Austin if Shaka is shoved out the door.
In that scenario, Shaka may well end up at LSU.

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You already got exposed as a sip troll. Run along now.

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There it is ... WHAM ... the classic, unsupported diss by anybody who doesn't agree with a certain poster.
Of course accompanied by that classic "where's your Agtag" credibility buster.

Don't rule out Tech coach coming here......wait and see. There's a chance

So who is better- cougar high?

WE are not going to pay a basket ball coach $3MM to coach at A&M . The stands will always be empty for the pre conference games which eliminates any coach wanting to come here plus ROI is not there from the University point of view

EAD 65 said:

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WE are not going to pay a basket ball coach $3MM to coach at A&M . The stands will always be empty for the pre conference games which eliminates any coach wanting to come here plus ROI is not there from the University point of view

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Love it when someone who thinks basketball is 2 words wants to tell people what A&M will pay.

I agree.

Tech has as much basketball history in the last 30 years as anyone else in the state (some of that is Women's).
They show up and support and are relatively patient .

Their early 90's teams with Dicky were fun to watch.
Bobby Knight had some good teams, last year and now this year.

I understand his 3 daughters are in Lubbock and his current girlfriend is there. I expect he will try to stay there for another 5 years or so.

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WE are not going to pay a basket ball coach $3MM to coach at A&M . The stands will always be empty for the pre conference games which eliminates any coach wanting to come here plus ROI is not there from the University point of view

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We're paying Kennedy 2.3 million, so you think 3 suddenly is a unbreakable ceiling.

Ticket sales don't make or break ROI, the money is MAKING the tourney.