Just to make sure I'm keeping up, Hop still thinks Kennedy should be fired, right?
_lefraud_ said:Hop said:What does Turgeon making the NCAA's four years have to do with leaving the cupboard bare? And to clarify, I've never said he left the cupboard bare. I said he left the program with 5-6 good, solid players, but two of those six got hurt and missed a significant portion of the next season....and he didn't leave the program with much depth at all . He left AFTER the spring signing period with only 10 scholarship players._lefraud_ said:
More stable with 10 guys on scholarship? 5 of which haven't played any significant minutes at the division 1 level? Turge was roasted by texags for "leaving the cupboard bare" and having so few guys on scholarship. Yet, all Turge did was make the NCAA tournament EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR. How stable can ya get?
What was more likely for 2012, for Turgeon to make the tournament or for Turgeon to go 4-14 in league play?
I think he is in the quintessential PUMP wait and see mode. 2018 recruiting is "better" than it was a week ago, and let's see how it plays out after the Spring signing period. But if he doesn't put together something special for 2019, AND misses the tournament in 2019, then he needs to be fired.TXAggie2011 said:
Just to make sure I'm keeping up, Hop still thinks Kennedy should be fired, right?
TXAggie2011 said:
Just to make sure I'm keeping up, Hop still thinks Kennedy should be fired, right?
_lefraud_ said:Double Diamond said:
My apologies, three star recruit. Again good pick up but hardly a program shifting moment.
Who also redshirted at Baylor...
_lefraud_ said:I think he is in the quintessential PUMP wait and see mode. 2018 recruiting is "better" than it was a week ago, and let's see how it plays out after the Spring signing period. But if he doesn't put together something special for 2019, AND misses the tournament in 2019, then he needs to be fired.TXAggie2011 said:
Just to make sure I'm keeping up, Hop still thinks Kennedy should be fired, right?
So many damn parameters: if this, or if that, well let's see, and well if this happens, etc...
Do you agree on the outcome or the reasons? They have a bad record next year but they recruit lights out, Kennedy should keep his job?Double Diamond said:
For the record I agree with Hop. It's a fair and correct position.
How many stars did Acie Law have? How many did Jerald Brown have?Double Diamond said:
My apologies, three star recruit. Again good pick up but hardly a program shifting moment.
JUCOs are generally JUCOs for a reason. HS b'ball players are looked over in detail today via metrics, multimedia hype.Double Diamond said:
Yea how many did Middleton or Walkup or Elston Turner. Of course low ranked players can play. Many turn out to be great. Doesn't change the fact who knows about Mitchell.
Topher17 said:
Unless Jacey and Nebo are exceptionally good, we are going to be incredibly thin in the post. Like scary thin
He is rated #2 JUCO on 247 composite. It is certainly possible that he gives us something significant. You can't just assume JUCO pickups are mediocre or suck. Arkansas for example just had an NCAA team led by two starting perimeter players (Barford and Bacon) who were both highly ranked JUCO guard recruits similar to Mitchell.Hop said:_lefraud_ said:Double Diamond said:
My apologies, three star recruit. Again good pick up but hardly a program shifting moment.
Who also redshirted at Baylor...
Two years ago....the guy lit it up at Trinity Valley and the people who rank JUCO prospects say he's the best in the country. It is strange that you cherry pick data from two years ago and skip over data that is less than two months old.
We know that's not the case with Jacey- at least for next season.Topher17 said:
Unless Jacey and Nebo are exceptionally good, we are going to be incredibly thin in the post. Like scary thin
Logan said on the radio that Nebo 'if not as athletic as Robert Williams, is close to being as athletic'. Said he was just not as long as Robert was and really is a straight 5 player, not somebody you'd consider as much playing at PF like Williams. The guy did lead his conference in shot blocking before transferring to A&M.Topher17 said:
Unless Jacey and Nebo are exceptionally good, we are going to be incredibly thin in the post. Like scary thin
And with how bad we are at floor spacing anyway.Pumpkinhead said:
that may not be a bad thing the way basketball has been evolving.
Pumpkinhead said:He is rated #2 JUCO on 247 composite. It is certainly possible that he gives us something significant. You can't just assume JUCO pickups are mediocre or suck. Arkansas for example just had an NCAA team led by two starting perimeter players (Barford and Bacon) who were both highly ranked JUCO guard recruits similar to Mitchell.Hop said:_lefraud_ said:Double Diamond said:
My apologies, three star recruit. Again good pick up but hardly a program shifting moment.
Who also redshirted at Baylor...
Two years ago....the guy lit it up at Trinity Valley and the people who rank JUCO prospects say he's the best in the country. It is strange that you cherry pick data from two years ago and skip over data that is less than two months old.
Obviously, 'who knows', but If he turns out like Barford and Bacon at Arky then he'll have been a pretty good get. Would be curious if any poster here has any good personal knowledge/insight on specifically this guy's game.
And that is more trips to the Sweet 16 than any other coach in our history. Like him or not, he has made 2 trips to the Sweet 16 in the last 3 years and he will be here next year.Quote:
There is nothing to recommend continuing BK's tenure other than two trips to the S16 in two years out of seven years at Texas A&M.
Gap said:
Like him or not, he has made 2 trips to the Sweet 16 in the last 3 years and he will be here next year.
An article from one Baylor guy when Mitchell transferred, opining on his potential and theorizing his possible reasons for transferring._lefraud_ said:Pumpkinhead said:He is rated #2 JUCO on 247 composite. It is certainly possible that he gives us something significant. You can't just assume JUCO pickups are mediocre or suck. Arkansas for example just had an NCAA team led by two starting perimeter players (Barford and Bacon) who were both highly ranked JUCO guard recruits similar to Mitchell.Hop said:_lefraud_ said:Double Diamond said:
My apologies, three star recruit. Again good pick up but hardly a program shifting moment.
Who also redshirted at Baylor...
Two years ago....the guy lit it up at Trinity Valley and the people who rank JUCO prospects say he's the best in the country. It is strange that you cherry pick data from two years ago and skip over data that is less than two months old.
Obviously, 'who knows', but If he turns out like Barford and Bacon at Arky then he'll have been a pretty good get. Would be curious if any poster here has any good personal knowledge/insight on specifically this guy's game.
Barford and Bacon were both non-qualifiers. I made the comment about him redshirting because it's not typical for a guy to do so. Same reason no one thinks Walker will contribute next year (if ever). But hopefully Mitchell found something about his game at the JUCO ranks that will help him contribute this go around.
Mitchell seems to be a volume shooter, so my only real concern is how he and Starks will manage sharing the basketball.
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Last season, Mitchell had already begun to earn playing time as a reserve. He averaged nearly 9 minutes a game, scoring just short of 3 points on an average of 2.5 shots. In Baylor's dismal loss at West Virginia, Mitchell was the only Bear who seemed capable of shaking off the funk. He showed nice progress throughout the season. All indications pointed to an increased role for him as he matured and slowed down his game just a bit. The occasional recklessness (reminiscent of a young Taurean Prince) was forgivable, and he projects to be an exciting player.
To boot, minutes had just opened up at Mitchell's position next season after the transfer of Freeman. Looking at the depth chart, King McClure is the only other shooting guard not just ahead of Mitchell, but on the roster at all. The roster situation after Freeman's departure almost necessitated an increase in Mitchell's role. Pair the roster situation with Drew's tendency to increase player responsibility year over year, and Mitchell was almost a lock to play 20+ minutes per game.
On its face, it doesn't look like positional competition would be a reason for Mitchell to transfer to a JUCO school. There is a more complicated way to think about it, though.
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If Mitchell had stuck around, however, and demonstrated improvement in his decision-making, he could have alleviated some of that strain and made the rotations a bit simpler for Drew. Even at 15-17 minutes a game, Mitchell could have given each of Lecomte, McClure, and Lindsey a breather by playing off guard and by spot filling at point guard. For a sophomore by eligibility, 15-17 minutes a game isn't too shabby.
Still, it seems as though that might not have been enough for Mitchell. As a dominant scorer and ball handler in high school, he may feel as though he should have the ball in his hands more with the green light to #DoStuff. Transferring to a junior college will certainly give him the opportunity to put up a lot of shots. Ironically, a season at the JUCO level could turn Mitchell into exactly the type of guard Drew loves to target as a transfer. It's not hard to imagine Mitchell developing a profile comparable to the likes of Pierre Jackson, Kenny Cherry, and Lester Medford. The latter, in particular, could be a decent comparison for what Mitchell might look like after playing against a lower level of competition.
Gap said:And that is more trips to the Sweet 16 than any other coach in our history. Like him or not, he has made 2 trips to the Sweet 16 in the last 3 years and he will be here next year.Quote:
There is nothing to recommend continuing BK's tenure other than two trips to the S16 in two years out of seven years at Texas A&M.
bobinator said:
Now we're quoting a Baylor fan site article written by someone named "Pocket Change" that has 400 followers on twitter?