Yeah hiring Huggins at this point seems risky. Agree that this is a unique situation though due to timing, and you definitely don't turn down a guy like Huggins to hire an unproven mid-major guy.bobinator said:
Health is a concern with Huggins also according to a lot of the media types. He might not be a great hire if you're looking for a long term solution. Though I'd think in mid-summer you're just looking for any solution.
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You don't wait until June to fire your coach.
Well yea, but this reads like maybe they had a conversation or meeting, and maybe it just didn't go well, or things came to light. Maybe the AD questioned the recruiting, or something of that nature. Maybe the AD and/or Matta spouted something out of their ass and the other took offense. Remember these guys have egos.
It just doesn't seem very plausible that Matta woke up one morning, especially this late, and decided to give it up. I'm guessing something happened, what that something is, who knows, but it just doesn't add up.
Ohio St is a decent job, but im not sure it's even top 5 in the conference.
It just doesn't seem very plausible that Matta woke up one morning, especially this late, and decided to give it up. I'm guessing something happened, what that something is, who knows, but it just doesn't add up.
Ohio St is a decent job, but im not sure it's even top 5 in the conference.
I think it's easily top 5. I'd go..._l said:
Ohio St is a decent job, but im not sure it's even top 5 in the conference.
1. Indiana
2. Ohio State/Michigan State
3. Michigan State/Ohio State
4. Maryland/Illinois
5. Illinois/Maryland
No Michigan ??
Good program, but I think Ed Martin getting busted took the edge off them. Wisconsin and Michigan would be next on my list after that top 5.Wicked Good Ag said:
No Michigan ??
Pumpkinhead said:After you have heard enough back-surgery-gone-wrong stories like Steve Kerr and Thad Matta, personally I wouldn't let anybody take a knife to my back unless I already was in a state where I was unable to walk and had nothing to lose.Method Man said:
Back surgeries! Not that effective but we will keep paying for them.
Usually at that point it's a choice between risk or lifelong opiate addiction.
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It just doesn't seem very plausible that Matta woke up one morning, especially this late, and decided to give it up. I'm guessing something happened, what that something is, who knows, but it just doesn't add up.
why isn't it plausible?
- Matta stated that he might want to coach again one day
- If it were health issues, I think either Matta/tOSU would be extremely public about it OR he would have waited until maybe Sept/Oct and named an interim head coach
It just sounds as if Matta and the AD had an informal meeting/discussion, and the AD walked away from said discussion thinking an immediate change was necessary.
- If it were health issues, I think either Matta/tOSU would be extremely public about it OR he would have waited until maybe Sept/Oct and named an interim head coach
It just sounds as if Matta and the AD had an informal meeting/discussion, and the AD walked away from said discussion thinking an immediate change was necessary.
My own hypothetical guess is that Matta was one of the 'good guys' in the coaching business with a lot of success on his resume, but he had been dealing with some really tough health issues, partly contributing to a decline in the program the last few years. Despite the health problems, like most coaches he was probably very reluctant to step away from the game. Due to that and the AD probably liking him, nobody wanted to make the tough decision and so things dragged out much longer than normal. But eventually after one particular meeting with Matta, things finally reached a decision point._lefraud_ said:
- Matta stated that he might want to coach again one day
- If it were health issues, I think either Matta/tOSU would be extremely public about it OR he would have waited until maybe Sept/Oct and named an interim head coach
It just sounds as if Matta and the AD had an informal meeting/discussion, and the AD walked away from said discussion thinking an immediate change was necessary.
An EIGHT year deal for Holtman per Jeff Goodman. Holy crap.
It's hard because it depends on what we mean by "top five." Like, easiest to win at? Most prestigious? Most resources?wacarnolds said:I think it's easily top 5. I'd go..._l said:
Ohio St is a decent job, but im not sure it's even top 5 in the conference.
1. Indiana
2. Ohio State/Michigan State
3. Michigan State/Ohio State
4. Maryland/Illinois
5. Illinois/Maryland
I'd say Indiana, Michigan State, and Maryland are definitely better jobs than Ohio State. And I'd think right now Michigan is also. If anything, everyone has come full circle and seems to love the Fab Five now, so I'm not sure Michigan get popped for something that happened almost 30 years ago makes much of a difference. Ohio State had its own recruiting scandal in the early 2000's and had to vacate a Final Four.
Like, if all of the Big 10 coaches got raptured away, and they were all hunting coaches, I'd think Indiana, Michigan State, Maryland and Michigan would end up with a better coach than Ohio State.
Why would Michigan be above Ohio State?bobinator said:It's hard because it depends on what we mean by "top five." Like, easiest to win at? Most prestigious? Most resources?wacarnolds said:I think it's easily top 5. I'd go..._l said:
Ohio St is a decent job, but im not sure it's even top 5 in the conference.
1. Indiana
2. Ohio State/Michigan State
3. Michigan State/Ohio State
4. Maryland/Illinois
5. Illinois/Maryland
I'd say Indiana, Michigan State, and Maryland are definitely better jobs than Ohio State. And I'd think right now Michigan is also. If anything, everyone has come full circle and seems to love the Fab Five now, so I'm not sure Michigan get popped for something that happened almost 30 years ago makes much of a difference. Ohio State had its own recruiting scandal in the early 2000's and had to vacate a Final Four.
Like, if all of the Big 10 coaches got raptured away, and they were all hunting coaches, I'd think Indiana, Michigan State, Maryland and Michigan would end up with a better coach than Ohio State.
Just feels like a better job right now. They aren't historically better than Ohio State, but they feel like the better program right now to me.
There were specific references to recruiting issues during the press conference, I wonder if Matta was curtailing his own recruiting trips because of his health.Pumpkinhead said:My own hypothetical guess is that Matta was one of the 'good guys' in the coaching business with a lot of success on his resume, but he had been dealing with some really tough health issues, partly contributing to a decline in the program the last few years. Despite the health problems, like most coaches he was probably very reluctant to step away from the game. Due to that and the AD probably liking him, nobody wanted to make the tough decision and so things dragged out much longer than normal. But eventually after one particular meeting with Matta, things finally reached a decision point._lefraud_ said:
- Matta stated that he might want to coach again one day
- If it were health issues, I think either Matta/tOSU would be extremely public about it OR he would have waited until maybe Sept/Oct and named an interim head coach
It just sounds as if Matta and the AD had an informal meeting/discussion, and the AD walked away from said discussion thinking an immediate change was necessary.
That's why you never want to be hiring a coach in Junebobinator said:
An EIGHT year deal for Holtman per Jeff Goodman. Holy crap.
Yea maybe the AD was informed of Matta's summer recruiting schedule (or lack of) and decided to meet with Matta himself.
AD: how's recruiting and everything going?
Matta: pretty well
AD: is your summer jammed packed? Where all are you headed?
Matta: well actually, I'm not planning on going much of anywhere because of my health
AD: interesting, do you feel like you can still do your job?
Matta: of course, but my health is keeping me from being on the road
AD: maybe we should look at making a change
Matta: well if that's how you feel
AD: how's recruiting and everything going?
Matta: pretty well
AD: is your summer jammed packed? Where all are you headed?
Matta: well actually, I'm not planning on going much of anywhere because of my health
AD: interesting, do you feel like you can still do your job?
Matta: of course, but my health is keeping me from being on the road
AD: maybe we should look at making a change
Matta: well if that's how you feel
Wisconsin not on your list?
dog said:
Wisconsin not on your list?
wacarnolds said:
Wisconsin and Michigan would be next on my list after that top 5.
Hop said:
You don't wait until June to fire your coach.
Nm Holtmann official.
Illinois doesn't belong..wacarnolds said:I think it's easily top 5. I'd go..._l said:
Ohio St is a decent job, but im not sure it's even top 5 in the conference.
1. Indiana
2. Ohio State/Michigan State
3. Michigan State/Ohio State
4. Maryland/Illinois
5. Illinois/Maryland
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