Next years expectations?

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Bunk Moreland
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Ryno01 said:

This year:
Wins/losses against KENPOM Top 49
0-12
(We won against #50-Va Tech)
Wins/losses against Kenpom 50-100
5-3
Win/losses against Kenpom 101+
11-0

We didnt win ONE game in 12 tries against elite competition!!!!

We didnt lose ONE game against bad competition

We have everyone back and we need to go .500 in the elite category and win the rest
But I dont know how we just automatically turn the 0fer around with our coaching staff.....Id LOVE to see us hire an experienced bench coach to fill the Stansbury void



I don't know...could it be the six new players coming on-line replacing six dead spots on last year's roster? And four of those directly address the one glaring weakness on the team. I think we know where you stand on the case of Billy Kennedy. You've made a good case, counselor. Can we litigate the hundred of other topics related to A&M and SEC basketball? What are your thoughts on the ball skills of the Marquette transfer?


There are maybe 25 people who post with any regularity on this board. Even accepting your post as hyperbole, there there aren't a hundred...or even 20 other topics related to A&M and SEC basketball that would get more than 3 replies before the thread died.
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I have no clue how to predict this team after watching them all season and have rarely seen any team without a fiery head coach go anywhere on the college level to be honest. Vets last year provided all the spark.
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Bunk Moreland said:

Hop said:

Ryno01 said:

This year:
Wins/losses against KENPOM Top 49
0-12
(We won against #50-Va Tech)
Wins/losses against Kenpom 50-100
5-3
Win/losses against Kenpom 101+
11-0

We didnt win ONE game in 12 tries against elite competition!!!!

We didnt lose ONE game against bad competition

We have everyone back and we need to go .500 in the elite category and win the rest
But I dont know how we just automatically turn the 0fer around with our coaching staff.....Id LOVE to see us hire an experienced bench coach to fill the Stansbury void



I don't know...could it be the six new players coming on-line replacing six dead spots on last year's roster? And four of those directly address the one glaring weakness on the team. I think we know where you stand on the case of Billy Kennedy. You've made a good case, counselor. Can we litigate the hundred of other topics related to A&M and SEC basketball? What are your thoughts on the ball skills of the Marquette transfer?


There are maybe 25 people who post with any regularity on this board. Even accepting your post as hyperbole, there there aren't a hundred...or even 20 other topics related to A&M and SEC basketball that would get more than 3 replies before the thread died.


I guess it would be more interesting to work through whatever topics that come up versus hearing 100 different ways to say Kennedy sucks. It's not that I disagree. It just gets old when every discussion turns into a comedic platform for how many creative ways posters can express the incompetence of Kennedy.
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You instigate much of the Kennedy "comedy."

Picking pretty personal fights in threads each day about how folks talk about Billy Kennedy, how's that working out for you so far?
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Nino Brown said:

I have no clue how to predict this team after watching them all season and have rarely seen any team without a fiery head coach go anywhere on the college level to be honest. Vets last year provided all the spark.
I do think some players (specifically Davis, Williams and Gilder) are going to have to be an emotional spark next year. But I could see that happening.
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And given the intensity of your arguing, it's strange to hear you turn around and say you don't disagree with whoever you're arguing with.
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Bunk Moreland said:

Hop said:

Ryno01 said:

This year:
Wins/losses against KENPOM Top 49
0-12
(We won against #50-Va Tech)
Wins/losses against Kenpom 50-100
5-3
Win/losses against Kenpom 101+
11-0

We didnt win ONE game in 12 tries against elite competition!!!!

We didnt lose ONE game against bad competition

We have everyone back and we need to go .500 in the elite category and win the rest
But I dont know how we just automatically turn the 0fer around with our coaching staff.....Id LOVE to see us hire an experienced bench coach to fill the Stansbury void



I don't know...could it be the six new players coming on-line replacing six dead spots on last year's roster? And four of those directly address the one glaring weakness on the team. I think we know where you stand on the case of Billy Kennedy. You've made a good case, counselor. Can we litigate the hundred of other topics related to A&M and SEC basketball? What are your thoughts on the ball skills of the Marquette transfer?


There are maybe 25 people who post with any regularity on this board. Even accepting your post as hyperbole, there there aren't a hundred...or even 20 other topics related to A&M and SEC basketball that would get more than 3 replies before the thread died.



And there are numerous topics we could discuss. Everybody rank the best PG's/SG/W/posts in the SEC. Discuss the overall strength/weakness of the SEC next year, will Auburn and MSU take a step forward next year, rank and compare 2017 attendance by SEC team. Is Robert Williams greatest A&M basketball talent over all time? How does he compare to Rudy Woods? Rank your all-time greatest posts at A&M. Rank greatest guards at A&M. Rank the most talented A&M teams of all-time.

So yes, there are numerous topics we can discuss that are not Kennedy related.
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bobinator said:

Nino Brown said:

I have no clue how to predict this team after watching them all season and have rarely seen any team without a fiery head coach go anywhere on the college level to be honest. Vets last year provided all the spark.
I do think some players (specifically Davis, Williams and Gilder) are going to have to be an emotional spark next year. But I could see that happening.
Man I hope so. I'm not saying that I don't want Billy to succeed I've just been around college basketball for a long time and unless you're recruiting like Roy Williams I don't think a guy without fire can succeed at A&M long term just get a decent team every 5 years or so with decent recruiting and playing chess with grad transfers to buy time. You also can't Frank Martin them each year by beating the kids up, even he has learned a different way to light a fire in the kids. It's Texas A&M and it's basketball. Plenty of people dying to get behind the program keep trying till you get it right again.
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Hop said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Hop said:

Ryno01 said:

This year:
Wins/losses against KENPOM Top 49
0-12
(We won against #50-Va Tech)
Wins/losses against Kenpom 50-100
5-3
Win/losses against Kenpom 101+
11-0

We didnt win ONE game in 12 tries against elite competition!!!!

We didnt lose ONE game against bad competition

We have everyone back and we need to go .500 in the elite category and win the rest
But I dont know how we just automatically turn the 0fer around with our coaching staff.....Id LOVE to see us hire an experienced bench coach to fill the Stansbury void



I don't know...could it be the six new players coming on-line replacing six dead spots on last year's roster? And four of those directly address the one glaring weakness on the team. I think we know where you stand on the case of Billy Kennedy. You've made a good case, counselor. Can we litigate the hundred of other topics related to A&M and SEC basketball? What are your thoughts on the ball skills of the Marquette transfer?


There are maybe 25 people who post with any regularity on this board. Even accepting your post as hyperbole, there there aren't a hundred...or even 20 other topics related to A&M and SEC basketball that would get more than 3 replies before the thread died.



And there are numerous topics we could discuss. Everybody rank the best PG's/SG/W/posts in the SEC. Discuss the overall strength/weakness of the SEC next year, will Auburn and MSU take a step forward next year, rank and compare 2017 attendance by SEC team. Is Robert Williams greatest A&M basketball talent over all time? How does he compare to Rudy Woods? Rank your all-time greatest posts at A&M. Rank greatest guards at A&M. Rank the most talented A&M teams of all-time.

So yes, there are numerous topics we can discuss that are not Kennedy related.


Well, why don't you start those topics instead of injecting yourself into ongoing threads to say the thread you joined annoys you?
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The question in the body of the original post is a completely different question than the one posed in the thread subject.

I expect us to have a slightly better season next year and make the NIT.

A successful season to me would be to make the big dance and win at least one game.
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TXAggie2011 said:

And given the intensity of your arguing, it's strange to hear you turn around and say you don't disagree with whoever you're arguing with.


Strange? You know where I stand. Having an academic discussion on the pros and cons of Billy Kennedy is just fine. What is very uninteresting is how frustrated posters personally attack Kennedy and use him as a punch line at every opportunity. But what usually gets my attention is the ranting poster that pops up on every discussion thread and derails what could've been a good, measured interaction on some topic not related to a Kennedy referendum.

Even if you think Kennedy is a bad coach, doesn't it get old to see "Kennedy sucks" in every discussion thread?
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You must give yourself lots of attention, then
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Man, this thread got weird.

Oh, and Kennedy sucks.
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Stuff that seems old or uninteresting to me, I just ignore. I don't make it blow up and make it the biggest thread on the board by picking a monstrous fight about it.

But I would doubt anyone buys you spar about Kennedy or Martin or Turgeon or whatever because it's "old." You disagree with folks and have your own obsessions and you focus on them just as much as anyone else does with their own.
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AustinAg2012 said:

Man, this thread got weird.

Oh, and Kennedy sucks.
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TXAggie2011 said:

Hop said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Hop said:

Ryno01 said:

This year:
Wins/losses against KENPOM Top 49
0-12
(We won against #50-Va Tech)
Wins/losses against Kenpom 50-100
5-3
Win/losses against Kenpom 101+
11-0

We didnt win ONE game in 12 tries against elite competition!!!!

We didnt lose ONE game against bad competition

We have everyone back and we need to go .500 in the elite category and win the rest
But I dont know how we just automatically turn the 0fer around with our coaching staff.....Id LOVE to see us hire an experienced bench coach to fill the Stansbury void



I don't know...could it be the six new players coming on-line replacing six dead spots on last year's roster? And four of those directly address the one glaring weakness on the team. I think we know where you stand on the case of Billy Kennedy. You've made a good case, counselor. Can we litigate the hundred of other topics related to A&M and SEC basketball? What are your thoughts on the ball skills of the Marquette transfer?


There are maybe 25 people who post with any regularity on this board. Even accepting your post as hyperbole, there there aren't a hundred...or even 20 other topics related to A&M and SEC basketball that would get more than 3 replies before the thread died.



And there are numerous topics we could discuss. Everybody rank the best PG's/SG/W/posts in the SEC. Discuss the overall strength/weakness of the SEC next year, will Auburn and MSU take a step forward next year, rank and compare 2017 attendance by SEC team. Is Robert Williams greatest A&M basketball talent over all time? How does he compare to Rudy Woods? Rank your all-time greatest posts at A&M. Rank greatest guards at A&M. Rank the most talented A&M teams of all-time.

So yes, there are numerous topics we can discuss that are not Kennedy related.


Well, why don't you start those topics instead of injecting yourself into ongoing threads to say the thread you joined annoys you?


The last thread I started wanting to discuss the NBA salary calculator (not slotting) both you and m_hayden used it to take shots at me. It was a legitimate topic I thought was interesting and y'all appeared to have more interest in getting into a personal back-and-forth w/me...ironic given your recent comments in this thread.

We've worked ourselves into an environment where we all have our guard up and I'll take my fair share of the blame as y'all should too. I'd like to bring the temperature down and all agree to disagree on certain things and then move on and get back to having some interesting discussions without this ongoing tone of "gotcha" on every thread. Can we do that going forward?
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Make the NCAA tournament or gtfo
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chipotle said:

Make the NCAA tournament or gtfo
I think actually he needs to win at least one game.
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If you thought a thread titled "has anyone actually seen the salary chart" was going to play well, you're lost.

I gave you a serious answer and multiple serious posts in at thread to which you didn't then and just now didn't acknowledge. If my joke is all you saw and can remember, that is revisionist and has to do with your motivations for posting here and is not my fault. For your memory, my posts are below.

And you'll have to answer your last question for yourself.

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Seems it has been linked/posted several times here. Adjustments are being made to it under the new CBA so the 2016 numbers aren't fully accurate for the picture moving forward but will give a generally good idea.

Definitely will make more money moving up the draft board. But you've got some other financial considerations such as trying to get to free agency (which is where money is really made), etc.
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Yes, present value analysis will lower the value of future payments. Time value of money in the most general terms supports taking less money now over waiting for a larger payment later because you will then have an extra period(s) for the money to grow in value.

But that cuts both ways. Yes, it lowers the value of a future free agent contract. But it also lowers the value of waiting a year to sign a rookie contract.
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BQ_90 said:

chipotle said:

Make the NCAA tournament or gtfo
I think actually he needs to win at least one game.
I've posted this before, but I hate the idea of putting the metrics of a success of a season on the NCAA Tournament.

Kennedy needs to put in position to be reasonably heavily favored to win our first game in the tournament next year, and be competitive in our second.

We could be a 3 seed and a 14 could go one shining moment on us and the season could be a success overall or we could be an 11 and upset an overseeded 6 and the season could have been mostly crap (based on next year's roster.)
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bobinator said:

BQ_90 said:

chipotle said:

Make the NCAA tournament or gtfo
I think actually he needs to win at least one game.
I've posted this before, but I hate the idea of putting the metrics of a success of a season on the NCAA Tournament.

Kennedy needs to put in position to be reasonably heavily favored to win our first game in the tournament next year, and be competitive in our second.

We could be a 3 seed and a 14 could go one shining moment on us and the season could be a success overall or we could be an 11 and upset an overseeded 6 and the season could have been mostly crap (based on next year's roster.)
In the past I'd agree with that. But I'm tired of our mens teams falling short. It's time for them to actually do something in the post season, not just get there or slide into the post season.

You figure Davis is gone and Williams is gone. So Davis would have 2 appearances and 2 W in the tourney, Rob would have 1 appearance and no wins. IMO that's wasted talent.

That's why I don't give a **** about recruiting anymore. What does it matter to recruit good if you then waste that talent with little to show.
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I get what you're saying, but you can't base your entire season on one game, at least not if we're looking at this from an "if you're the AD" standpoint.

For those of us on this board, that go to all the home games and a few away games a year and tailgate and enjoy the ride, I'd much rather enjoy a season where my team is legitimately good and draws decent crowds and gets some hype going for two months and then suffers a fluke upset then sit through a season that nobody cares about and then happens to get lucky for one game in March.

Any, this is getting in the weeds, we both agree that the goal is that we should at least be in position to expert to win our first tournament game next year.
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I am not sure just making the tournament next year is good enough. Lets say we are like a 4 seed and get upset by a 13. That would be pretty bad, but I'm not sure he should get fired in a season where we were good enough to get a #4. If we got a #12 and went out right away, I'm thinking thats a **** season honestly compared to what expectations should be. If we barely get in, he better win some damn games in the tournament to be safe.
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Let's be honest - wouldn't we rather have a well-coached team than an awesomely talented team?

That's why we miss BCG so much. He had a well-coached team, had attention to detail, etc. Were they the most talented? No. Did they have some talent? Yes. But I'll take any of BCG's team over BK's team of last year. Coaching matters more than talent.
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I used to enjoy games, but I'm finding I enjoy them less and less each year. I'm not crazy to think we're gonna win the national championship every year in every sport or even ever win one in any mens sport.

But I'm tired of getting hammered for tickets, hammered for parking, hammered for ****ty concessions.

Put me in the change for change sake category now. I guess I've seen what we got and in MBB if we can't win one game in the tourney then time to find somebody else to see if they can try to do better.
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zooguy96 said:

Let's be honest - wouldn't we rather have a well-coached team than an awesomely talented team?

That's why we miss BCG so much. He had a well-coached team, had attention to detail, etc. Were they the most talented? No. Did they have some talent? Yes. But I'll take any of BCG's team over BK's team of last year. Coaching matters more than talent.
this sums it up pretty good. I can take losing much better if we at least don't look like **** doing it.

I'll give an example, I have soccer tickets, they had a rough year due to many many factors but they played their asses off every game and it paid off in the end by making the tourney and damn near beating the team that went on to win the NC.

From TCU last summer to LSU last fall, to Tenn and several other blow out loses in MBB, it's been brutal IMO
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This is talking about a different thing though. If we were good enough to get a top 5 seed, the entire season would be a lot more enjoyable. That's kind of what my point was. That would make getting a fluke upset at the end easier to take.

I agree that they've got to do something about the overall Reed experience though. The concessions are horrible.

Hell if they'd just have some beer sales it would help things a bit.
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There is a middle way and it's where my expectation and standard is:

Routinely having a good season that puts you in a position to do well in the tournament and some times capitalizing on that position and winning a game or two or more in the tournament.

I think you have to actually win when it matters most sometimes, but I certainly do think a fluke tournament win or something doesn't wipe away a less than great regular season.
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bobinator said:

This is talking about a different thing though. If we were good enough to get a top 5 seed, the entire season would be a lot more enjoyable. That's kind of what my point was. That would make getting a fluke upset at the end easier to take.

I agree that they've got to do something about the overall Reed experience though. The concessions are horrible.

Hell if they'd just have some beer sales it would help things a bit.
I wish we had some vision. If they'd take one of the practice courts and turn it into club area with pregame food and booze, market it to 25-35 crowd. Try to build a damn fanbase.

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With the talent on hand anything less than a top quartile finish in the conference and winning at least one tourney game should be considered underperforming.

This is definitely Bk's best shot to get past the Sweet 16 imo. If he doesn't get it done next yr he never will.
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I guess it would be more interesting to work through whatever topics that come up versus hearing 100 different ways to say Kennedy sucks. It's not that I disagree. It just gets old when every discussion turns into a comedic platform for how many creative ways posters can express the incompetence of Kennedy.
Thank you.
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I wish we had some vision. If they'd take one of the practice courts and turn it into club area with pregame food and booze, market it to 25-35 crowd. Try to build a damn fanbase.
IMO, the biggest problem with the arena is the site. It is in an absolutely ridiculous location, disconnected from any possible synergistic amenities except the rec center, which despite beiing the building directly next door is still 1000 feet of walking from door to door . They should build a dense dorm community around it and replace the surface parking with garages, and a couple of plazas and/or fields for gathering places.

I've never understood why the University decided that BFE Discovery Dr was a good place to build housing rather than at the Reed Arena site.
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TXAggie2011 said:

If you thought a thread titled "has anyone actually seen the salary chart" was going to play well, you're lost.

I gave you a serious answer and multiple serious posts in at thread to which you didn't then and just now didn't acknowledge. If my joke is all you saw and can remember, that is revisionist and has to do with your motivations for posting here and is not my fault. For your memory, my posts are below.

And you'll have to answer your last question for yourself.

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Seems it has been linked/posted several times here. Adjustments are being made to it under the new CBA so the 2016 numbers aren't fully accurate for the picture moving forward but will give a generally good idea.

Definitely will make more money moving up the draft board. But you've got some other financial considerations such as trying to get to free agency (which is where money is really made), etc.
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Yes, present value analysis will lower the value of future payments. Time value of money in the most general terms supports taking less money now over waiting for a larger payment later because you will then have an extra period(s) for the money to grow in value.

But that cuts both ways. Yes, it lowers the value of a future free agent contract. But it also lowers the value of waiting a year to sign a rookie contract.


I was referring to this one that you omitted:

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I find it very telling that a side you've argued against no less than half a dozen times on here, you're just now taking the time to google the specifics on.


Maybe he'll do a "has anyone actually seen NCAA attendance numbers" next.



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parking for football, they're not going to remove the biggest parking lot they have for football or push it out farther than it already is. Also Reed parking is the primary parking lot for soccer, baseball, softball, and will be for T&F

I don't care about the dorms, most students live off campus and they can drive or ride the bus.
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I know what you're referring to and, umm, I acknowledged and referenced it above.

See the part about the "joke."

But you seemed to claim I wasn't interested in being serious hence quoting the two posts you were pretending didn't exist and I'm still not sure you're really acknowledging were posted in that thread.
 
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