What's your level of optimism in the future of Aggie basketball?

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BrandoC
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I honestly dont believe Tyler Davis is not really 6'10. More 6'9 even
Conner4real
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Cautiously optimistic. Really depends on the steps taken by the sophomores and how fast the freshman adjust (obviously).

I think this team has a much, much higher ceiling than last years team but a much lower floor (again, no ****). We know we have a 12-15ppg post player in Davis that can really slow down the game for us and calm us which is great. Hogg needs to take a big step. You could see it towards the end of the season but shooting 33% from 3 isn't going to cut it. Not when the college 3pt line is so short. With his shot and high release I think he can easily be in the 43-44% range. I think Gilder will be great this next season. He is just so damn poised.


The Freshman really excite me. I think Caldwell will have an easier time getting adjusting thanks to Davis. He won't be asked to penetrate and create every play, 1st option will always be bring the ball up and dump it down to Davis. Let's hope he learned to make a good entry pass to the post in high school. Vila is the incoming player that really excites me though. He is much more of a playmaker than Hogg is as well as a good shooter. I could see Vila becoming our 2nd best player after Davis. I think he is that good. He may have a little bit of a problem adjusting to the athleticism of college athletes but I think he walks in the court and is one of our highest BB IQ players (which is saying a hell of a lot with Davis and Gilder on the court). I think Corprew is a solid addition but I'm not expecting a ton out of him freshman season. Same with Williams. Williams could be a monster though. 6'9" with a 7'6" wingspan. Ridiculous.

Pumpkinhead
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Hogg needs to take a big step. You could see it towards the end of the season but shooting 33% from 3 isn't going to cut it. Not when the college 3pt line is so short. With his shot and high release I think he can easily be in the 43-44% range.

Khris Middleton (currently with Milwaukee Bucks), the former Aggie player whom Hogg has most often been compared with, shot 32.4% from three in his freshman season and 36.1% from three in his sophomore season when he was considered the best player on that Turgeon coached 2010-2011 team.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/khris-middleton-1.html
Pumpkinhead
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Vila is the incoming player that really excites me though. He is much more of a playmaker than Hogg is as well as a good shooter. I could see Vila becoming our 2nd best player after Davis.

I also really like the Vila pickup but I'll be a bit surprised if as a freshman he is better than a sophmore Hogg. For one, Hogg simply has a year jump on Vila in terms of working with Darby and playing D1 basketball in the states. And Hogg has much more to his game than a wing 'catch-and-shoot' role. I watched several of his high school games at Plano West and Hogg has good handles for a guy his size and good court vision. He is a good passer. He rebounds. And he has the confidence to be the guy who takes 'the big shot'.

IMO, you only saw brief glimpses of Hogg's overall skill set because as a freshman on last year's loaded team, he wasn't asked to do so much outside of a certain role off the bench. But now presumably he will be getting more minutes and playing a larger role.

D.J. Hogg seems to have a pretty good chance to be a future NBA player, just like Khris Middleton.
Pumpkinhead
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I think Corprew is a solid addition but I'm not expecting a ton out of him freshman season.

If Corprew makes it in, wouldn't be shocking if he is able to make an impact as a freshman similar to Gilder. Kid looks like a pretty good player and his body sure looks 'college ready'. Like Gilder, kid seemed to make a lot a buckets on whatever team he played on in AAU and high school. Though, of course you just never know with freshman how well they will adjust to transition from high school to college level basketball. Whether they will be 'coachable' etc. etc. Grades, knucklehead immaturity, injury...there are a ton of different things that can sink a promising young player.
greg.w.h
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This team should be able to return to the NCAAs. Seems to be a matter of player development with the talent we have.
Conner4real
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Hogg needs to take a big step. You could see it towards the end of the season but shooting 33% from 3 isn't going to cut it. Not when the college 3pt line is so short. With his shot and high release I think he can easily be in the 43-44% range.

Khris Middleton (currently with Milwaukee Bucks), the former Aggie player whom Hogg has most often been compared with, shot 32.4% from three in his freshman season and 36.1% from three in his sophomore season when he was considered the best player on that Turgeon coached 2010-2011 team.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/khris-middleton-1.html

I'm not saying Hogg had a bad season, he was a freshman. He's not expected to come out lighting the world on figure.


But from what I remember, Khris wasn't as storied of a shooter as Hogg was coming out of HS. I think Khris was also asked to handle the ball more than Hogg will be asked to. I remember Khris having a pretty sweet mid range step back game off the dribble (that Missouri game in college station comes to mind).

I just think they're different players. Khris more a ball handler and creator (because he had to be) and Hogg more a spot up guy or working out of the post like you mentioned before (which I hope is done way more). And if Hogg is more of a spot up guy, with that gorgeous release and his height I think 43% isn't unimaginable. Not to mention Davis is going to be getting doubled pretty frequently, we should be able to get a lot of open looks from beyond the arc.
Conner4real
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Vila is the incoming player that really excites me though. He is much more of a playmaker than Hogg is as well as a good shooter. I could see Vila becoming our 2nd best player after Davis.

I also really like the Vila pickup but I'll be a bit surprised if as a freshman he is better than a sophmore Hogg. For one, Hogg simply has a year jump on Vila in terms of working with Darby and playing D1 basketball in the states. And Hogg has much more to his game than a wing 'catch-and-shoot' role. I watched several of his high school games at Plano West and Hogg has good handles for a guy his size and good court vision. He is a good passer. He rebounds. And he has the confidence to be the guy who takes 'the big shot'.

IMO, you only saw brief glimpses of Hogg's overall skill set because as a freshman on last year's loaded team, he wasn't asked to do so much outside of a certain role off the bench. But now presumably he will be getting more minutes and playing a larger role.

D.J. Hogg seems to have a pretty good chance to be a future NBA player, just like Khris Middleton.


You're probably right. I think I'm just a bit over excited about Vila because of the system he was brought up in. I really can't argue that Vila has anything over Hogg other than being the man on a team that I believe is a higher level than high school teams.

I don't necessarily buy Hogg being able to be an efficient consistent option to create for us off the dribble, and thankfully with this team next year I don't think he will be asked to frequently. His handles are fine enough for his height but I think quicker players really bother him defensively when he puts the ball down. Hogg's first step and lateral quickness are working against him in this regard. If the defense is rotating though he is good enough off the bounce to beat them that way.

I think Hogg and Middleton are fairly different college players as I pointed out in my last post. From what I remember Middleton's first step was quick enough in college to beat some players off the dribble (though I could just be straight up not remembering correctly). I didn't necessarily see anything from last year that would make me believe Hogg could replicate what Middleton did in that regard. Things could obviously change though.
AggieTFA06
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cautiously optimistic.

Hoping DJ Hogg, Admon Gilder, & Tyler Davis don't go through the sophomore slump.

Also, hope this team builds off of last year's great season.
To 1,000,000 touchdowns ...and beyond
GE
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Example of DJ Hogg being more than just a catch and shoot guy
GE
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I'm not using these high school highlights to justify Hogg being some unstoppable dominator, but let's be honest, at the same age he looks to be pretty far ahead of where Vila is, especially in terms of how he moves and athleticism.
Conner4real
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I'm not using these high school highlights to justify Hogg being some unstoppable dominator, but let's be honest, at the same age he looks to be pretty far ahead of where Vila is, especially in terms of how he moves and athleticism.
I'm not saying Hogg can't put the ball down. I'm just saying at the college level I don't think he can do it efficiently to the point where we would say 'give it to him again'. Also in this video he beat his man on the dribble drive a handful of times. Majority were catch and shoot or back door cuts. He's a great mover off the ball certainly.

We won't be able to settle who is the better athlete right now between Hogg and Vila. We just do not have enough data with them in comparable leagues and competition. That was just my opinion that I think Vila has a better chance at becoming more of a facilitator and creator off the dribble. Purely because he is the go to guy on a team that has faced tougher competition than Hogg did in high school.

Who knows what will happen. I bet it'll be fun as hell to watch though.
Shepherd Boy
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Still have not heard that JJ has participated in a workout.
Do we know if he's enrolled or not?
Haricougar
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I'm somewhat optimistic. We will miss veteran guard play of Caruso and Collins. Talent level is all round better but losing Jalen Jones and Danuel House is big. Wish we had an experienced point to help JJ Caldwell.
wacarnolds
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Wish we had an experienced point to help JJ Caldwell.

Maybe we'll get lucky and a 5th yr senior point guard transfers to A&M
Pumpkinhead
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Still have not heard that JJ has participated in a workout.
Do we know if he's enrolled or not?
Looks like his A&M jersey number is going to be #4.

MMantle
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I thought Hampton could play point guard?

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GE
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I thought Hampton could play point guard?

RR
That's the plan, Wac was being sarcastic
Conner4real
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My little brother played with Caldwell one night in College Station about a year back right after he committed. Just some pick up games but his quote was something like 'he can find you'. I'm excited to have a real play making PG on our team again.
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txag72
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Back to the subject title, go look at the other threads on attendance last year. SEC second highest in the nation and we're no. 9. This will not last. The southeast and Texas is the college athletic hotbed of the USA that the east or anywhere else wants to admit. We would dominate all 3 sports instead of just 2 if we start keeping the athletes home in basketball. The long term future is bright if we want it.
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