Steve Kerr on AAU basketball

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HerschelwoodHardhead
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Lots of good players went the route of one or two years of JUCO ball before going pro. Don't have to worry about strenuous classes and still get good baseball prep in.

Roy Oswalt is the first one that comes to mind, but I know there are countless others.
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Lots of good players went the route of one or two years of JUCO ball before going pro. Don't have to worry about strenuous classes and still get good baseball prep in.

Roy Oswalt is the first one that comes to mind, but I know there are countless others.
Truth. No need for anybody to turn that into a call to arms for players not good enough to go pro out of high school but too stupid to make it in college. It's not like you have to be literate to play a few years in college either, just ask Vince Young and Jamaal Charles
Hop
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So? This is just a commentary on the system as a whole. I'm still missing the point.
I'm not sure what everyone else's point is, but my point is that pointing blame at "AAU culture" is too easy. You can't fix "AAU culture" without fixing the underlying problems. College coaches don't have enough evaluation time in the summers, there's way too much shoe money in summer leagues, having no contact periods and times of the year where coaches can't evaluate kids is stupid, etc.

I don;t know why y'all are debating what is AAU or what isn't...or who's to blame. That's not the point. STeve Kerr's observations are dead-on. Bobinator, you've been to those weekend tournaments. I've been to those tournaments. There is virtually zero emphasis placed on winning and team work. The goal is to make a spectacular play that players, coaches, and recruiting analysts will tweet and retweet, and write about in their tourney blogs and updates to get exposure.

After spending a couple of days at one of these events, you get this strange feeling that these players are nothing but commodities that parents and AAU(or its equivalent) coaches hope get enough buzz to see their value rise. And the creepiest part is watching these so-called slimy mentors pretending to befriend these kids at a young age from the sidelines of these games and trying to build relationships for the sole purpose to monetize that relationship at some point down the road.

I'm not sure there's anything you can do to change the culture, but the fact remains that Kerr's observations are right on the money. These young kids grow up learning the game with the sole purpose of making plays and not learning the principles and teamwork and winning.
Method Man
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Hop, is that why Alex Robinson wasn't nearly as good as we thought?
Pumpkinhead
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Hop, is that why Alex Robinson wasn't nearly as good as we thought?
Robinson's issues to me seemed to be maturity more than talent. He seemed to have '4-star' level talent that occasionally you saw in flashes.

I don't quite get why some on TexAgs seem to act like he was overrated purely from a basketball skill standpoint. He looked like a Top-100 rated recruit to me who simply wasn't very 'coachable' while he was here.

It won't surprise me at all if he 'gets it' at TCU and has a decent career over there. Won't surprise me if he doesn't either. I think we'll be able to better judge Robinson after a couple more years and see how he finishes his career out.
94chem
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This thread should clarify to everyone why Calipari is such a good coach. He gets a new collection of these brats every year and somehow gets them to play together.
bobinator
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Yeah, like I said, I'm not arguing with Kerr, but pointing a finger at the culture isn't helping anything, and my point is that it isn't the fault of the kids or (most of) the coaches that the culture even exists.

To me one of the huge problems was when the NCAA limited contact and evaluation periods for college coaches. Obviously you can see the intent behind doing that, but the reality is that you just created a market for middle men. That's really what the summer circuit is.

Like you said, I've been there. And kids are trying to get noticed so they can get to the next level, and I really think that for the most part the coaches are doing the best they can.

And we can talk about the lack of teamwork, but most coaches aren't there to see how well player X works as a team player, they can probably see that on the hours of high school tape, they want to see if player X can go heads up with player Y. And that's if they even want to see anything at all, half the time they're just sharing stories with the other coaches at the end of the court.
nickstro66
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AAU is horrible. As a coach I can't stand it.
Hop
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And we can talk about the lack of teamwork, but most coaches aren't there to see how well player X works as a team player, they can probably see that on the hours of high school tape, they want to see if player X can go heads up with player Y. And that's if they even want to see anything at all, half the time they're just sharing stories with the other coaches at the end of the court.

Again, Kerr is not arguing the true purpose of these AAU(and the like) events (exposure and recruiting). What he's saying is that what's going on does not develop the skill set of the kids participating...especially the ability to work together as a team.
Richierich2323
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I have a love/hate relationship with AAU. I hate that Texas coaches do not get very much time to develop their players which makes AAU inevitable in the state of Texas.


bobinator
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And we can talk about the lack of teamwork, but most coaches aren't there to see how well player X works as a team player, they can probably see that on the hours of high school tape, they want to see if player X can go heads up with player Y. And that's if they even want to see anything at all, half the time they're just sharing stories with the other coaches at the end of the court.

Again, Kerr is not arguing the true purpose of these AAU(and the like) events (exposure and recruiting). What he's saying is that what's going on does not develop the skill set of the kids participating...especially the ability to work together as a team.
And again, I'm not arguing with Kerr, I'm just saying that pointing blame is easy. Fixing the problem is more difficult and I haven't seen anyone with the power to do something say anything helpful.
Hop
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And we can talk about the lack of teamwork, but most coaches aren't there to see how well player X works as a team player, they can probably see that on the hours of high school tape, they want to see if player X can go heads up with player Y. And that's if they even want to see anything at all, half the time they're just sharing stories with the other coaches at the end of the court.

Again, Kerr is not arguing the true purpose of these AAU(and the like) events (exposure and recruiting). What he's saying is that what's going on does not develop the skill set of the kids participating...especially the ability to work together as a team.
And again, I'm not arguing with Kerr, I'm just saying that pointing blame is easy. Fixing the problem is more difficult and I haven't seen anyone with the power to do something say anything helpful.

It starts with people of importance shedding light on the issue. Thus, Kerr's statement is a start. It led to us discussing this for over a week and hopefully will lead to the industry having this discussion.
Pumpkinhead
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They should add new AAU transfer rules where if you want to go to another AAU team then you have to sit for a year. That will get them warmed up for college.
bobinator
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I'd like to think so, and if so it sounds like the perfect mission for one of the game's all time greats who now has a lot of free time on his hands. Kobe has been on a mission against "AAU ball" lately and if there's someone players would listen to, it's someone like him.

But the truth is that everyone will probably keep blaming a faceless entity and keep reaping the benefits of the system.

Reminds me a bit of the issues in college football when people blame "The NCAA" despite the NCAA basically having nothing to do with college football. If the people in the system wanted to change the system, they could, but they don't.
ElDoradoHillsAg
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I think the AAU culture is exactly why guys like Elijah Thomas bail barely a month into the season. Definitely does not develop a team oriented mindset.
touchdown96
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