For all those pissed about the tu rooting the other night.

Win out, and a ksu loss to ku/tu/bu/etc and we are big 12 champs

It's still too early to tell, but the chances are looking better. The Aggies are going to have to play their a#$ off in their away games but they can do it. They are closer to controlling their own destiny!

Go Aggies!

You control your destiny in 39.8 seconds

KU fan posting in an A&M world

outbreak, you guys still have to hold up your end of the bargain and beat the kitties

No we don't. You just have to beat them

KU fan posting in an A&M world

not paying attention to our season?

KSU will lose to KU.


But there is no way that we win out.

Haha, i dunno why, i just had a brain fart. Sorry, was thinking of Baylor game. Yeah, sorry, sorry, We'll beat them for you

KU fan posting in an A&M world

I said the same thing after starting 3-6 in 2006

our luck KU will drop another game before we play them and screw up the tie breaker.

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No way is too harsh. It will be difficult- yes. "No way" is a knee jerk, chicken little thing to say. We are a terrible matchup for the sips, KU is at Reed. Avenge our 5ot debacle an our blowout loss to tech, and take care of business vs. OSU and Neb, and were there. Some tough games there, but not impossible.

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our luck KU will drop another game before we play them and screw up the tie breaker.

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Pretty sure that doesn't matter for championships. Co-champions (or tri-champions), regardless of tie breakers.

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our luck KU will drop another game before we play them and screw up the tie breaker.

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Since winning Big 12 championship > seeding for the Big 12 tourney, I don't give a crap about tiebreakers. If we win out and KU beats KSU, we will be no worse than co-champs.

KU won't lose again until we play the ags. We got over our toughest part, now we have ISU, CU at home, Tech at home, and KSU at home. We win double digets in all those games.

Ags are our last test, fitting last game. Setting up to be a showdown

KU fan posting in an A&M world

If we are talking about the #1 see din the B12 Tourney then I don't get it. Maybe I'm missing something as far as what the tiebreaker is. KSU needs to lose twice the way I see it. It's way to early in the season to be doing this but I'm not tired yet.

If KSU wins every remaining game except KU they will finish 13-3. If we win out we will finish 13-3. If KU wins out except our game they will be 13-3. KU and KSU will have split. We will own the tiebreaker over KU due to a head to head win.... but KSU will own the tiebreaker over us based on their head to head win.


We would all be reg season trichamps but KSU would be the # 1 seed.

I'm not saying I'm correct, I'm just trying to understand.

I don't expect any of this to happen anyway but trying to understand the hypotheticals. KSU will drop at least 2 more IMO. I think it's likely we will drop at least one more. KU won't lose twice more I don't think .


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because northern teams and southern teams have tie breakers first.

Say i have three pennys. Two in one hand and one in the other. One hand is named big XII north, the other is named big XII south. The two pennys are in the big XII north hand.

The rule states, in the state of a tie, that each hand must have one penny before ultimatly comparing hands. The north has to be one penny (KU) and the south has to be one penny (US).

Then they compare our tie, only after comparing the KU KSU tie.

We would have the breaker over KU, and KSU is already eliminated by the penny rule.

We are one seed

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Win out, and a ksu loss to ku/tu/bu/etc and we are big 12 champs
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Uh, no we're not

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uh, yes we are.

We end 13-3. KU could finish no better than 13-3. KSU could finish no better than 13-3. tu could finish no better than 13-3.

There is no tie breaker for the championsip. They will name everyone cochamps if there is a 3 or even four way tie.

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amazing that no one picked up on the ignorance of the original poster until the last couple posts.

One more loss gives them 3, and they own the tiebreaker over us, so not sure how he figures we control our destiny if they lose one more.

Correct me if I'm wrong but in order to get the #1 seed in the Big 12 tourney don't we need to win out and have 2 more losses by KSU?

I understand that if we have the same record we are both 'Conf Champs' but they hold that tiebreaker over us right?

and i'm late again

there is no tiebreaker for the championship... Just like last year we would have been co-champs if we hadn't choked at home v. tech, even though we beat ku head to head.

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Shank, I get that but why would KU win the tiebreaker versus KSU? they hav ethe same record and they split their hea dto head. Is it because KSU will have lost twice to north teams and KU only once?

I understand all three teams would be Reg season tri champs. We are talking about who would getthe #1 seed in the B12 tourney, are we not?

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There is no tie breaker for the championsip. They will name everyone cochamps if there is a 3 or even four way tie.

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co-champs, not champs. though I would take co-champs in a heartbeat.

Analogy...seriously???

You don't know that there is no tiebreaker?

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amazing that no one picked up on the ignorance of the original poster until the last couple posts.

One more loss gives them 3, and they own the tiebreaker over us, so not sure how he figures we control our destiny if they lose one more.

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God you are dumb. I now know who takes the short-bus to TexAgs. I have explained it three times already.

Scenario goes We win out and are 13-3. KSU loses to KU. Both those teams end 13-3. TU could also beat KSU and make it easier but it isnt neccesary.

That would end it up like this

Us 13-3
KU 13-3
KSU 13-3
tu 12-4ish

First off, us, ku, and ksu are automatically co-champs no questions asked, no tiebreakers needed. There are no tiebreaks when naming a regular season champ.

As for seeding: Divisional (i know it is not seperated into north and south in the standings, but if you play two teams against a team in the normal season, they are in your "division" ) tie breakers are determined first. Read my penny analogy for help.

KU holds that tie break over KSU because of their overall record. They win that tiebreak, and then they move on to the tiebreak between us and KU. We beat them so we get the one seed. You compare the top two teams from each division in the scenario of a three or more way tie break.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but in order to get the #1 seed in the Big 12 tourney don't we need to win out and have 2 more losses by KSU?

I understand that if we have the same record we are both 'Conf Champs' but they hold that tiebreaker over us right?

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halfastros- KU has the better overall record over KSU

KSU will finish with at least 4 losses

Got it. KU, will have the better record vs North teams. Thanks.

I didn't realize until now that if you are going to lose it's better to lose to someone in the other division.

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and that is ASSUMING everyone else runs the table minus 1, otherwise we would have breathing room/the chance for a lone title

Shank- in addition to being an A-hole, you are also wrong.

Re-read your post. You are wrong. Your post was wrong.

Do you get it?

Don't try to re-write what you originally posted. And try not to be such an A-hole.

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Win out, and a ksu loss to ku/tu/bu/etc and we are big 12 champs

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that will probably help you see where you went wrong, Shank.


actually, even a loss to KU still makes your post wrong, because, as you yourself note, there is still additional things that would have to happen. That is NOT controlling your own destiny.

And speaking of the short bus, I'm not sure you're worthy.

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not seeing it at all, you're missing something again

do you still not get it? theres NO TIEBREAKER, a KSU loss to ANYONE puts them even with us

Somewhere on this forum there is a post going into agonizing detail regarding tie-breakers in Big XII Basketball.

Rather than recite it word for word, here's the skinny.

Regular season champs - if 5 teams have the same record, there are 5 champions. No tie break.

For the tourney seeding - Divisional ties broken first, so if KSU and KU split head-to-head then their divisional record becomes the tie-breaker. KU has north top seed.

In the South, Ags beat t.u. on head-to-head (since we'd need to win out for this to even be considered). Then Ags win tiebreak with KU on head-to-head. Ags get #1 seed in tourney.