Now that we've had a little help from the sips in knocking off KU, I started to think about the possibilities as far as seeding. Pretty much everyone has been saying we need to take care of our own business and have KSU lose 3 more to get the 1 seed and 2 more to get the 2 seed. Either way we will only get a share of the title unless KU and tu drop another game besides ours. So now to my question. It is obvious that KSU has tiebreaker over us due to head to head, but if KU is also tied that adds a new wrinkle into the tiebreaker. The following scenario assumes KU and tu drop another game to us and KSU drops two more to KU and the sips leaving a 4 way tie for first.
According to the Big XII tiebreaker webpage when three or more teams are tied, divisional ties are broken first. We would hold the tiebreaker over tu by head to head (rule b) and KU would hold the tiebreaker over KSU (rule b - split head to head, rule c - KU with better divisional record because KSU lost to Mizzou). Here's where I'm not so sure about the tiebreaker. After those ties are broken, we would hold the head to head over KU, but KSU would hold the head to head over us. So depending on who we are compared to first would dictate the seedings.
Break tie with KU first
1. Ags (head to head over KU)
2. tu (head to head over KU and KSU)
3. KU (divisional record over KSU)
4. KSU
Break tie with KSU first
1. KU
2. KSU
3. Ags
4. tu
Scenario one makes more sense to me, but I don't know which way it would be handled. It might even be possible that such a scenario would be considered a draw and subject to pulling the seeds out of a hat.
Because I know someone will say it, yes, I have put way too much thought into this and there is a lot of basketball left to play and there is probably a 5% chance that this scenario happens. I don't expect all 4 top teams to finish this well, but a similar tiebreaker situation could happen if everyone drops an extra game. Regardless, I would still like to know what some of the basketball experts think. TIA
According to the Big XII tiebreaker webpage when three or more teams are tied, divisional ties are broken first. We would hold the tiebreaker over tu by head to head (rule b) and KU would hold the tiebreaker over KSU (rule b - split head to head, rule c - KU with better divisional record because KSU lost to Mizzou). Here's where I'm not so sure about the tiebreaker. After those ties are broken, we would hold the head to head over KU, but KSU would hold the head to head over us. So depending on who we are compared to first would dictate the seedings.
Break tie with KU first
1. Ags (head to head over KU)
2. tu (head to head over KU and KSU)
3. KU (divisional record over KSU)
4. KSU
Break tie with KSU first
1. KU
2. KSU
3. Ags
4. tu
Scenario one makes more sense to me, but I don't know which way it would be handled. It might even be possible that such a scenario would be considered a draw and subject to pulling the seeds out of a hat.
Because I know someone will say it, yes, I have put way too much thought into this and there is a lot of basketball left to play and there is probably a 5% chance that this scenario happens. I don't expect all 4 top teams to finish this well, but a similar tiebreaker situation could happen if everyone drops an extra game. Regardless, I would still like to know what some of the basketball experts think. TIA