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Steve McQueen
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Wife and I are hosting both sets of in-laws this year, in addition to a pre T-day party with some friends, with primary responsibility for the bird on both occasions. We have a pretty small kitchen so I'll be using my smoker out back. Only other times I've done a turkey were with my folks in the oven as a punk kid or deep frying them Cajun style.

Frying with my pals, I would brine for 12-15 hours in a simple brown sugar and salt solution and inject a bottle of Tony's creole/butter. I understand this now to be a bit overkill both brining and injecting, as I was sometimes left with pockets of flavor from the injection. Any thoughts on whether low and slow on the smoker will alleviate issues with flavor pockets from injecting?

The early party with mostly drunk yuppies are really pushing me to go spicy with the bird. Have any of you ever gotten creative with your brines? I'm reading where folks have used crab boil, processed jalapeños, and cayenne pepper in their brine. Like I said, I've always done a light brine with the intent to lock in moisture, rather than flavor.

Thoughts on spicing things up with the brine? And using an injection? Not use injection?
Reel Aggies
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I am curious if anyone has brined in crab boil or those spices as well.... Sounds like a trial run is in order....How bad can it be???
rononeill
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When smoking it, make sure you monitor your drippings if you're after gravy. I did one on the egg a couple years ago- 24 hr salt/sugar/pepper brine (I think) - it was delish, but the drippings cooked down and ended up w a little char in the pan.
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We are frying the turkey for the first time this year. If anybody has anymore tips on frying, please pass those on too.
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Here's what I do just about every year and I always end up with requests to do it again. I've been frying turkeys for a long time now - long before it became the popular method it is today. Over the years my methods have changed, but this is the basic method that is the framework. You are free to modify what you want on seasonings, or not follow it at all. Your choice.

SAFETY: Cook the damned bird outside. Away from structures that can catch fire. Don't have kids or dogs around. You need a place that doesn't have a lot of wind blowing either. Thaw your turkey. Wear PPE (gloves and closed toed shoes). Don't be an idiot - you are dealing with a few gallons of boiling oil and an open flame. Burn scars don't go away.

1. Obviously, ensure your turkey is completely thawed. Very important. Not so much for safety (birds don't explode like the myth, but a frozen bird won't cook and you will be shamed for all eternity). Remove the neck and gizzards package and hand them to the missus to begin the gravy process. Remove the plastic cooking indicator and the plastic hangar they use at the slaughterhouse.

2. Take your thawed turkey, put it in your pot. Fill pot with water until the turkey is just covered. Let the bird sit in the water for 3-5 minutes, top off as necessary and wait a couple of more minutes. (this allows the water to fill up the cavity and get in all the nooks and crannies). Remove turkey, let it drain for 3-5 minutes OVER THE POT, then mark the outside of the pot where the water level is. This is your oil fill level for that bird.

3. Injecting the marinade: I typically use Cajun Injector brands - Creole Butter and Garlic Butter flavors are the most popular in a 50/50 mix, but other flavors and brands work as well. I mix the two together and inject multiple places. Be sure to use small injection pockets - large pockets tend to burn and ruin the flavor of the meat. I also inject from the inside of the carcass so that the injector doesn't ooze out nearly as easily as it does if you inject on the outside.

Inject in 10 to 12 different places. When you are done, massage the bird all over for 3 or 4 minutes to work the marinade in and keep any large pockets from standing. Massage the bird, love the bird. Talk dirty to the bird.

4. Tony's - get 2 cans. Use 1 can on the outside of the bird. Don't worry about putting too much on as much of the seasoning cooks off when it's frying. Once you are done with that, take the other can and dump it in the organ cavity (all of this is obviously after removing the neck and gizzards and the plastic baking indicator). Dump it in there liberally - these seasonings will help flavor the meat from the inside out. Again, it's really almost impossible to put too much as most of the seasoning cooks out. It seems like a waste, but it works.

(Note 1: you can use just about any seasoning you want, the pre-made injectables and something like Tony's are already made, easy, cheap and work really really well though. I usually add some other stuff, but that's personal flavor likes for me)

(Note 2: some people brine their turkeys. I don't see any point in brining something that is getting essentially boiled in hot oil. Brining helps hold in moisture, which is a great thing for smoking or baking, but if your fried turkey comes out dry, well, you pretty much FUBAR'd it and probably need to just give it to the dogs and head over to Boston Market wearing a large S on your shirt for "shame")

5. Let the bird marinade in the fridge for 24 hours to 48 hours. 48 Preferred. Put it in your turkey pan and wrap up tight in saran wrap.

6. Cooking - take your pot and clean it. Don't be afraid to clean it 2 or 3 times. You want to ensure that all dirt, oil, grease, etc. is cleaned out to prevent anything like this from burning and ruining your bird. A clean pot is a happy pot. A clean pot makes a good bird.

(Note 1: clean the damned lid and thermometer also)

7. Fill pot with cottonseed or peanut oil to your mark on the outside of the pot. Heat to 350. This will take a while, but keep your eye on it - once it hits 250 or so, the temp starts to shoot up pretty quick. Around 375 and the oil will start to burn, and that's bad. Not flame up burn, but leave a bitter flavor burn. Fame up burn is bad too, but I hope you realize this already. Don't let either happen.

Once your oil hits 325-350, take a couple of potatoes and slice them up (bread also works - basically you want the starches) and toss them in the oil. Potato works best because you essentially make chips, and they are great to snack on while you cook. The starch helps condition the oil and removes any bitter taste that may be present. I season my potato slices with salt, because hey - I loves me some salty potato chips.

SLOWLY drop bird into oil when it's reached the right temp. What part of SLOW don't you understand? SLOW - take 2-3 minutes to get the entire bird submerged.

Remember that your temp will drop to about 300 when you first do this - it is important to not freak out and make massive adjustments to your heat input, otherwise when everything stabilizes you are going to have the oil too hot and end up either burning your bird or you'll spend the entire time adjusting up and down trying to regulate the temp. After about 5 minutes, if you need to increase the heat, make small adjustments until you hit your target temp.

(note - some folks turn off the flame here. That's not a bad idea. I've never had a flare up or overflow, but I take 2-3 minutes to put the bird in - welding gloves are a good thing to have here)

8. Boil/Fry at 350 for 3 minutes per pound. If you cook at 325, add another 1/2 minute per pound. Most birds are in the 12-15 pound range, so you are looking at roughly 45 minutes in the pot.

9. When your bird is done, remove from oil and hold it over the pot for a minute or so to allow the residual oil to drain out. Not doing so can leave you with a soggy bird that isn't nearly as good. That and when you put the bird on the cutting board or basing pan to sit, the oil you didn't let drain out will drain out and you'll have drawn the ire of the missus for the mess you made in her kitchen.

10. This is very important: Let your bird sit for 10 minutes before carving. I use a large cutting block for this, but you can use a basting pan. This lets the last bit of residual oil to drain out, lets the bird finish cooking and start cooling down. Odds are you'll have to keep people away, but if you don't let it sit, the bird generally ends up soggy and not nearly as good.

11. After 10 minutes, carve and serve. Then bask in the glory of being the cook. Reminder - the bird is still hot. Don't forget this.

12. After everybody is fat and happy and has taken the requisite Thanksgiving day nap, take the bones and put them in a pot, covered with water. Simmer for a few hours and jar up the awesome turkey stock you have created. Next time you make a gumbo or etouffe, use some of this stock. Again, you will have to be humble in the praise you will get from the masses, so keep that in mind.
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Blue star.

I enjoy frying a turkey for Thanksgiving. It gives me and the other manly men an excuse to get outside and drink beer.

I have been frying mine with a pulley rig attached to the rafters of my patio. That way, I can lower the bird easily from a safe distance, and I can keep it off of the bottom of the pot.



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JFrench
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The fam has been frying for 20+ years. From nothing, to injecting, to brining. About 10 years ago brining took over as the preferred method. If you’re a rookie you should absolutely brine. Better to be safe with an overcooked juicy bird than chance it. The liquid seafood boil has made it into the brines. Our injection recipe was butter, garlic juice, onion juice, pickapeppa, and hot sauce. Injections do give awesome flavor but mask that you’re eating poultry. So to each their own. Anti briners say you should know how to cook and Anti injectors say you could inject a tennis shoe and it would taste the same. Either way you’re a winner….and I’m throwing things off and smoking one on the kamado this year.
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[This message has been edited by HTownAg98 (edited 11/13/2013 11:16a).]
HTownAg98
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I'm doing something like a porchetta for my bird this year. Screw messing with a whole bird.
Sooner Born
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I'm jealous, Htown. While turkeys are tradition, and we'll be having one, there are much better pieces of meat to prepare for such a gathering.

Decently prepared pork/beef dish > > > Best prepared turkey
HTownAg98
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It's actually just the breast, seasoned and cured like a pork loin, then rolled in the turkey skin and roasted.
Sooner Born
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ah...I figured it was some kind of pork dish. I still stand by my statement. I wish we could ditch the bird and serve something else instead.
notheranymore
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I'm trying to talk the hubs into a bird of another sort...saw a YouTube of a bacon-wrapped duck on the BGE.
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Two questions.

1. Do you place the bird legs up or down in the oil?

2. Do you cover with a lid? I've read about cooking it both ways
RK
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legs up, no lid.
schmellba99
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Legs up

I keep the thermometer in mine, so you can't put the lid on tight, but I still use the lid to cover as much of the pot as I can - mitigates splashing of the oil and helps it maintain heat a little better in my experience.
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dahouse's drawing is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Can't stop laughing.

Alan Stanwyck
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Has anyone ever used Louisiana Hot Sauce as a base to hold the rub on the outside of the turkey? Thinking about using it before rubbing it down with Tony Chaceres.
schmellba99
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My concern with using any liquid like Louisiana Hot Sauce, Tobasco, etc. would be that the oil will not like it - you are going to get a lot of boil up and popping by introducing that much water into your oil - and I don't know how well that type of sauce will handle boiling/frying in oil (concerns about burning or bitterness as a result, etc.) as it's really more of a condiment rather than a cooking ingredient.

If you have enough freeboard in your pot and can keep from getting burned, it might end up being ok though.

I'd be interested to see & hear how it works out if you end up trying it.
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The chips are a big hit. Thanks!
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schmellba99 said:

Here's what I do just about every year and I always end up with requests to do it again. I've been frying turkeys for a long time now - long before it became the popular method it is today. Over the years my methods have changed, but this is the basic method that is the framework. You are free to modify what you want on seasonings, or not follow it at all. Your choice.

SAFETY: Cook the damned bird outside. Away from structures that can catch fire. Don't have kids or dogs around. You need a place that doesn't have a lot of wind blowing either. Thaw your turkey. Wear PPE (gloves and closed toed shoes). Don't be an idiot - you are dealing with a few gallons of boiling oil and an open flame. Burn scars don't go away.

1. Obviously, ensure your turkey is completely thawed. Very important. Not so much for safety (birds don't explode like the myth, but a frozen bird won't cook and you will be shamed for all eternity). Remove the neck and gizzards package and hand them to the missus to begin the gravy process. Remove the plastic cooking indicator and the plastic hangar they use at the slaughterhouse.

2. Take your thawed turkey, put it in your pot. Fill pot with water until the turkey is just covered. Let the bird sit in the water for 3-5 minutes, top off as necessary and wait a couple of more minutes. (this allows the water to fill up the cavity and get in all the nooks and crannies). Remove turkey, let it drain for 3-5 minutes OVER THE POT, then mark the outside of the pot where the water level is. This is your oil fill level for that bird.

3. Injecting the marinade: I typically use Cajun Injector brands - Creole Butter and Garlic Butter flavors are the most popular in a 50/50 mix, but other flavors and brands work as well. I mix the two together and inject multiple places. Be sure to use small injection pockets - large pockets tend to burn and ruin the flavor of the meat. I also inject from the inside of the carcass so that the injector doesn't ooze out nearly as easily as it does if you inject on the outside.

Inject in 10 to 12 different places. When you are done, massage the bird all over for 3 or 4 minutes to work the marinade in and keep any large pockets from standing. Massage the bird, love the bird. Talk dirty to the bird.

4. Tony's - get 2 cans. Use 1 can on the outside of the bird. Don't worry about putting too much on as much of the seasoning cooks off when it's frying. Once you are done with that, take the other can and dump it in the organ cavity (all of this is obviously after removing the neck and gizzards and the plastic baking indicator). Dump it in there liberally - these seasonings will help flavor the meat from the inside out. Again, it's really almost impossible to put too much as most of the seasoning cooks out. It seems like a waste, but it works.

(Note 1: you can use just about any seasoning you want, the pre-made injectables and something like Tony's are already made, easy, cheap and work really really well though. I usually add some other stuff, but that's personal flavor likes for me)

(Note 2: some people brine their turkeys. I don't see any point in brining something that is getting essentially boiled in hot oil. Brining helps hold in moisture, which is a great thing for smoking or baking, but if your fried turkey comes out dry, well, you pretty much FUBAR'd it and probably need to just give it to the dogs and head over to Boston Market wearing a large S on your shirt for "shame")

5. Let the bird marinade in the fridge for 24 hours to 48 hours. 48 Preferred. Put it in your turkey pan and wrap up tight in saran wrap.

6. Cooking - take your pot and clean it. Don't be afraid to clean it 2 or 3 times. You want to ensure that all dirt, oil, grease, etc. is cleaned out to prevent anything like this from burning and ruining your bird. A clean pot is a happy pot. A clean pot makes a good bird.

(Note 1: clean the damned lid and thermometer also)

7. Fill pot with cottonseed or peanut oil to your mark on the outside of the pot. Heat to 350. This will take a while, but keep your eye on it - once it hits 250 or so, the temp starts to shoot up pretty quick. Around 375 and the oil will start to burn, and that's bad. Not flame up burn, but leave a bitter flavor burn. Fame up burn is bad too, but I hope you realize this already. Don't let either happen.

Once your oil hits 325-350, take a couple of potatoes and slice them up (bread also works - basically you want the starches) and toss them in the oil. Potato works best because you essentially make chips, and they are great to snack on while you cook. The starch helps condition the oil and removes any bitter taste that may be present. I season my potato slices with salt, because hey - I loves me some salty potato chips.

SLOWLY drop bird into oil when it's reached the right temp. What part of SLOW don't you understand? SLOW - take 2-3 minutes to get the entire bird submerged.

Remember that your temp will drop to about 300 when you first do this - it is important to not freak out and make massive adjustments to your heat input, otherwise when everything stabilizes you are going to have the oil too hot and end up either burning your bird or you'll spend the entire time adjusting up and down trying to regulate the temp. After about 5 minutes, if you need to increase the heat, make small adjustments until you hit your target temp.

(note - some folks turn off the flame here. That's not a bad idea. I've never had a flare up or overflow, but I take 2-3 minutes to put the bird in - welding gloves are a good thing to have here)

8. Boil/Fry at 350 for 3 minutes per pound. If you cook at 325, add another 1/2 minute per pound. Most birds are in the 12-15 pound range, so you are looking at roughly 45 minutes in the pot.

9. When your bird is done, remove from oil and hold it over the pot for a minute or so to allow the residual oil to drain out. Not doing so can leave you with a soggy bird that isn't nearly as good. That and when you put the bird on the cutting board or basing pan to sit, the oil you didn't let drain out will drain out and you'll have drawn the ire of the missus for the mess you made in her kitchen.

10. This is very important: Let your bird sit for 10 minutes before carving. I use a large cutting block for this, but you can use a basting pan. This lets the last bit of residual oil to drain out, lets the bird finish cooking and start cooling down. Odds are you'll have to keep people away, but if you don't let it sit, the bird generally ends up soggy and not nearly as good.

11. After 10 minutes, carve and serve. Then bask in the glory of being the cook. Reminder - the bird is still hot. Don't forget this.

12. After everybody is fat and happy and has taken the requisite Thanksgiving day nap, take the bones and put them in a pot, covered with water. Simmer for a few hours and jar up the awesome turkey stock you have created. Next time you make a gumbo or etouffe, use some of this stock. Again, you will have to be humble in the praise you will get from the masses, so keep that in mind.
Bump for anyone wanting to know how to do this.

Can't believe there is only one page to this thread. I've been doing turkey's very similarly to this now for 7 or 8 years because people basically make me do it every year. I change some things, like I damn sure don't use 2 cans of seasoning, but for most part this is very good instructions on what to do. Pretty funny as well.
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