Noob move buying the 94 proof single barrel instead of cask strength.
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cc10106 said:
Noob move buying the 94 proof single barrel instead of cask strength.
Does it make a difference? Cask strength would just take garbage and turn it into hot garbage
Don't worry about it since you hate it so much, William.
I respect that. I'm not going to tell you what you should and shouldn't like. Don't get me wrong, I love Kentucky bourbon and MGP juice. I just got bored and wanted to explore different whiskey options. Never would I open up a bottle of Garrison and think "oh yeah, this is going to change everyone's minds!"William Larue Weller said:This is where you lose me as a result of liking Garrison Brothers... I just don't believe any whiskey distilled in Texas can be very good. Best I've tried is some Still Austin products, and even still, I'd rather drink Wild Turkey Rare Breed (or honestly even WT 101). Our water and weather are not conducive to making good whiskey.MarathonAg12 said:
Had their oldest barrel that was their own distillate and we were blown away
Just because I enjoy a pour of Garrison doesn't mean I can't enjoy fine Kentucky spirits.
Someone is really up their nose about stuff… my goodness
I would have to respectfully disagree. Their Cask Strength offerings are completely different from their single barrels. It makes it sweeter and tones down the Garrison Brother's "funk". I have given many samples of 135-140 Proof GB juice to "garrison haters" and they all commented that it was much better than their standard offering.William Larue Weller said:cc10106 said:
Noob move buying the 94 proof single barrel instead of cask strength.
Does it make a difference? Cask strength would just take garbage and turn it into hot garbage
Which I agree. The only Garrison brothers products I have is Hye Rye, Cowboy Bourbon and Single Barrel Cask Strengths. I have never had their honey dew or small batch stuff.
I'm just not sure why I or anyone else who likes GB should give one **** about someone else's opinion of it. Drink what you like and leave my choices alone.
That's true. I can't argue with someone named William Larue Weller and expect to change his mind.
I totally respect that, and people are obviously 100% free to enjoy whatever whiskey they like... Personally, I can't stand Texas whiskey, particularly GB and Balcones, but I know many are fans. I do find liking Texas whiskey and Kentucky/Indiana whiskey a bit incongruent, but I guess if you view them as different categories of spirits (in the same vein as bourbon being different from Scotch), that could make sense.MarathonAg12 said:I respect that. I'm not going to tell you what you should and shouldn't like. Don't get me wrong, I love Kentucky bourbon and MGP juice. I just got bored and wanted to explore different whiskey options. Never would I open up a bottle of Garrison and think "oh yeah, this is going to change everyone's minds!"William Larue Weller said:This is where you lose me as a result of liking Garrison Brothers... I just don't believe any whiskey distilled in Texas can be very good. Best I've tried is some Still Austin products, and even still, I'd rather drink Wild Turkey Rare Breed (or honestly even WT 101). Our water and weather are not conducive to making good whiskey.MarathonAg12 said:
Had their oldest barrel that was their own distillate and we were blown away
Just because I enjoy a pour of Garrison doesn't mean I can't enjoy fine Kentucky spirits.
To me that's like saying I can't enjoy both white and red wines or that I have to choose between tequila and whisky. I have things I enjoy and things I don't in pretty much every category of alcoholic beverages.
Bad water is just an excuse. A big RO system and adding salts back to build a water profile isn't difficult. Homebrewers and professional breweries do this all the time. If a distillery isn't modifying their water then they deserve to fail if the water side is the big negative.
aTm '99
That's why I qualified and said if you view them as different categories of spirits (like red and white wine or tequila and whiskey) it could make sense. I just don't view Texas whiskey in the same category as KY/IN whiskey.trouble said:
To me that's like saying I can't enjoy both white and red wines or that I have to choose between tequila and whisky. I have things I enjoy and things I don't in pretty much every category of alcoholic beverages.
Climate is also a major factor. Texas summers are just too damn hot.AlaskanAg99 said:
Bad water is just an excuse. A big RO system and adding salts back to build a water profile isn't difficult. Homebrewers and professional breweries do this all the time. If a distillery isn't modifying their water then they deserve to fail if the water side is the big negative.
I think you have to view them that way, though. Scotch and Bourbon are fundamentally similar, but heavily influenced by environmental factors. No different than KY bourbon vs. whiskey from other parts of the US or Japan.William Larue Weller said:I totally respect that, and people are obviously 100% free to enjoy whatever whiskey they like... Personally, I can't stand Texas whiskey, particularly GB and Balcones, but I know many are fans. I do find liking Texas whiskey and Kentucky/Indiana whiskey a bit incongruent, but I guess if you view them as different categories of spirits (in the same vein as bourbon being different from Scotch), that could make sense.MarathonAg12 said:I respect that. I'm not going to tell you what you should and shouldn't like. Don't get me wrong, I love Kentucky bourbon and MGP juice. I just got bored and wanted to explore different whiskey options. Never would I open up a bottle of Garrison and think "oh yeah, this is going to change everyone's minds!"William Larue Weller said:This is where you lose me as a result of liking Garrison Brothers... I just don't believe any whiskey distilled in Texas can be very good. Best I've tried is some Still Austin products, and even still, I'd rather drink Wild Turkey Rare Breed (or honestly even WT 101). Our water and weather are not conducive to making good whiskey.MarathonAg12 said:
Had their oldest barrel that was their own distillate and we were blown away
Just because I enjoy a pour of Garrison doesn't mean I can't enjoy fine Kentucky spirits.
It is entirely possible that Texas distillers could start churning out some tasty whiskey, but the recipe for success is probably not going to include high age statements or the other hallmarks of KY bourbon. For me, it's a different category and my expectations are metered accordingly.
Personally, I have yet to taste anything from GB or Balcones that justifies the price tags. Still Austin cask strength is pretty solid, but also comes in at a price that makes sense.
William Larue Weller said:That's why I qualified and said if you view them as different categories of spirits (like red and white wine or tequila and whiskey) it could make sense. I just don't view Texas whiskey in the same category as KY/IN whiskey.trouble said:
To me that's like saying I can't enjoy both white and red wines or that I have to choose between tequila and whisky. I have things I enjoy and things I don't in pretty much every category of alcoholic beverages.
There's plenty from KY/IN/TN that I don't think tastes all that similar. Just leave off the *****ing specifically about Texas products.
On climate:
We got a tour at Rebecca Creek. The 7 year juice that they pulled was from a climate controlled rack house/ distillery/ bottling room. That is probably why it tasted so great. They have other rack houses but I don't know how they are set up.
I have also been to the Treaty Oak rack houses. Oh man, if you want to talk about Texas heat playing a factor in the aging process. They literally have barrels out in the open lined up on the side of their rack house. They don't have the space to store it in the rack house. And they really didn't seem to mind it. They took pride in their stuff being Texas Whiskey.
The Texas Whiskey/Bourbon scene is still in its infancy stages. They need time, money and research to grow and get better. But they do have to put something out for the time being to make money. Give it time, it will get better.
We got a tour at Rebecca Creek. The 7 year juice that they pulled was from a climate controlled rack house/ distillery/ bottling room. That is probably why it tasted so great. They have other rack houses but I don't know how they are set up.
I have also been to the Treaty Oak rack houses. Oh man, if you want to talk about Texas heat playing a factor in the aging process. They literally have barrels out in the open lined up on the side of their rack house. They don't have the space to store it in the rack house. And they really didn't seem to mind it. They took pride in their stuff being Texas Whiskey.
The Texas Whiskey/Bourbon scene is still in its infancy stages. They need time, money and research to grow and get better. But they do have to put something out for the time being to make money. Give it time, it will get better.
Climate controlling rickhouses could be a gamechanger... it's nearly prohibitively expensive, and I didn't realize RC was doing it. Would be interested to see how that product tastes - would go a long way to showing how big of a factor Texas water quality is in the end product.MarathonAg12 said:
On climate:
We got a tour at Rebecca Creek. The 7 year juice that they pulled was from a climate controlled rack house/ distillery/ bottling room. That is probably why it tasted so great. They have other rack houses but I don't know how they are set up.
I have also been to the Treaty Oak rack houses. Oh man, if you want to talk about Texas heat playing a factor in the aging process. They literally have barrels out in the open lined up on the side of their rack house. They don't have the space to store it in the rack house. And they really didn't seem to mind it. They took pride in their stuff being Texas Whiskey.
The Texas Whiskey/Bourbon scene is still in its infancy stages. They need time, money and research to grow and get better. But they do have to put something out for the time being to make money. Give it time, it will get better.
I agree almost entirely with this. And Still Austin cask strength is probably the best mass-production Texas whiskey on the market, in my opinion, and you're right that the price point makes sense.Tom Cardy said:I think you have to view them that way, though. Scotch and Bourbon are fundamentally similar, but heavily influenced by environmental factors. No different than KY bourbon vs. whiskey from other parts of the US or Japan.William Larue Weller said:I totally respect that, and people are obviously 100% free to enjoy whatever whiskey they like... Personally, I can't stand Texas whiskey, particularly GB and Balcones, but I know many are fans. I do find liking Texas whiskey and Kentucky/Indiana whiskey a bit incongruent, but I guess if you view them as different categories of spirits (in the same vein as bourbon being different from Scotch), that could make sense.MarathonAg12 said:I respect that. I'm not going to tell you what you should and shouldn't like. Don't get me wrong, I love Kentucky bourbon and MGP juice. I just got bored and wanted to explore different whiskey options. Never would I open up a bottle of Garrison and think "oh yeah, this is going to change everyone's minds!"William Larue Weller said:This is where you lose me as a result of liking Garrison Brothers... I just don't believe any whiskey distilled in Texas can be very good. Best I've tried is some Still Austin products, and even still, I'd rather drink Wild Turkey Rare Breed (or honestly even WT 101). Our water and weather are not conducive to making good whiskey.MarathonAg12 said:
Had their oldest barrel that was their own distillate and we were blown away
Just because I enjoy a pour of Garrison doesn't mean I can't enjoy fine Kentucky spirits.
It is entirely possible that Texas distillers could start churning out some tasty whiskey, but the recipe for success is probably not going to include high age statements or the other hallmarks of KY bourbon. For me, it's a different category and my expectations are metered accordingly.
Personally, I have yet to taste anything from GB or Balcones that justifies the price tags. Still Austin cask strength is pretty solid, but also comes in at a price that makes sense.
So how much money do you have invested in a Texas distillery? Loltrouble said:William Larue Weller said:That's why I qualified and said if you view them as different categories of spirits (like red and white wine or tequila and whiskey) it could make sense. I just don't view Texas whiskey in the same category as KY/IN whiskey.trouble said:
To me that's like saying I can't enjoy both white and red wines or that I have to choose between tequila and whisky. I have things I enjoy and things I don't in pretty much every category of alcoholic beverages.
There's plenty from KY/IN/TN that I don't think tastes all that similar. Just leave off the *****ing specifically about Texas products.
On Water:
RC gets has two water sources. One from the city, which they use for their every day tasks. But to make their Vodka and Bourbon, they have access to a different water source, purified limestone water pulled from the Artesian Zone of the Edward's Aquifer.
The VP was real proud of that.
RC gets has two water sources. One from the city, which they use for their every day tasks. But to make their Vodka and Bourbon, they have access to a different water source, purified limestone water pulled from the Artesian Zone of the Edward's Aquifer.
The VP was real proud of that.
I don't doubt that it's good water, I just don't know if it's the type of water that makes good whiskey... I guess their climate-controlled product would be a good testing point.MarathonAg12 said:
On Water:
RC gets has two water sources. One from the city, which they use for their every day tasks. But to make their Vodka and Bourbon, they have access to a different water source, purified limestone water pulled from the Artesian Zone of the Edward's Aquifer.
The VP was real proud of that.
William Larue Weller said:I don't doubt that it's good water, I just don't know if it's the type of water that makes good whiskey... I guess their climate-controlled product would be a good testing point.MarathonAg12 said:
On Water:
RC gets has two water sources. One from the city, which they use for their every day tasks. But to make their Vodka and Bourbon, they have access to a different water source, purified limestone water pulled from the Artesian Zone of the Edward's Aquifer.
The VP was real proud of that.
And that's exactly what they let us taste. It tasted like a Kentucky product and have a nice rye finish to it. 7 years old. Master Distiller pulled it himself. Amazing experience.
That's pretty cool. I look forward to trying that whenever it hits the market.
Yessir. It will be good.
Like I said I'm not trying to change minds here, just sharing what I know about the scene. Cheers!
Like I said I'm not trying to change minds here, just sharing what I know about the scene. Cheers!
William Larue Weller said:So how much money do you have invested in a Texas distillery? Loltrouble said:William Larue Weller said:That's why I qualified and said if you view them as different categories of spirits (like red and white wine or tequila and whiskey) it could make sense. I just don't view Texas whiskey in the same category as KY/IN whiskey.trouble said:
To me that's like saying I can't enjoy both white and red wines or that I have to choose between tequila and whisky. I have things I enjoy and things I don't in pretty much every category of alcoholic beverages.
There's plenty from KY/IN/TN that I don't think tastes all that similar. Just leave off the *****ing specifically about Texas products.
Not one dime. It's just annoying to read people constantly **** on Texas distilleries like there's not complete crap being producing in KY
There definitely is bad stuff that comes out of KY, and any state. BUT they also put out some amazing stuff. I've yet to try anything amazing (or even consistently good, other than maybe Still Austin cask strength) from Texas.trouble said:William Larue Weller said:So how much money do you have invested in a Texas distillery? Loltrouble said:William Larue Weller said:That's why I qualified and said if you view them as different categories of spirits (like red and white wine or tequila and whiskey) it could make sense. I just don't view Texas whiskey in the same category as KY/IN whiskey.trouble said:
To me that's like saying I can't enjoy both white and red wines or that I have to choose between tequila and whisky. I have things I enjoy and things I don't in pretty much every category of alcoholic beverages.
There's plenty from KY/IN/TN that I don't think tastes all that similar. Just leave off the *****ing specifically about Texas products.
Not one dime. It's just annoying to read people constantly **** on Texas distilleries like there's not complete crap being producing in KY
Stop drinking Still Austin. Every sip you take is a donation to tu
MarathonAg12 said:
Stop drinking Still Austin. Every sip you take is a donation to tu
Not my fault that they're the only ones making a decent product. If some Ag wants to start a competitor that makes quality whiskey, I'll gladly drink that.
How dare you? 2%er.
Realizing this is a bourbon forum, so will have to agree about most Texas bourbon. However, I really enjoy Balcones single malt! Not a bourbon, and a different flavor profile, but their various finishes produce some really good whisky. And its hard to beat Lineage at $36 a bottle. Had some good Treaty Oak and really enjoyed the Rebecca Creek Spanish Oak. Just my two cents. Plus Kentucky has been making bourbon for 200 years or so- Texas is in its infancy- hopeful it continues to imrpove!
Real Aggies only drink Rio Brazos.
Aged one month in oak.
Aged one month in oak.
MarathonAg12 said:
Real Aggies only drink Rio Brazos.
Aged one month in oak.
As much as I like Nate, the only thing from them I can drink is the Chimney Hill.
William Larue Weller said:This is where you lose me as a result of liking Garrison Brothers... I just don't believe any whiskey distilled in Texas can be very good. Best I've tried is some Still Austin products, and even still, I'd rather drink Wild Turkey Rare Breed (or honestly even WT 101). Our water and weather are not conducive to making good whiskey.MarathonAg12 said:
Had their oldest barrel that was their own distillate and we were blown away
GB uses a limestone aquifer which is just like Kentucky water
Does anybody know how many barrels they released of the RC16? To those that have had tried samplings from multiple barrels, which one did you like best and what was the proofing? I've seen barrel numbers up to 31 and proofs as low as 98-120's.
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