Due to a loss of confidence.

What does this actually mean?

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-uss-john-finn-executive-officer-fired/

clarythedrill said:

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I would bet money it is a zipper malfunction.

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Almost a certainty given the lack of other allegations.

Why not just say it then. Does this effect operational readiness?

Article says that if a FOIA request is done to find out why, it could take months.......would be interesting to know.

I became an officer in 2005 after going non-prior to AMS in Tennessee

I vividly remember the other prior senior enlisted talking about affairs and having affairs.

I couldn't believe such a thing could happen with US military officers

I was Air Force. I imagine it could be even worse in the Navy.

Stringfellow Hawke said:

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Why not just say it then. Does this effect operational readiness?

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JOHN FINN won the Battle Effeciency award the last two years. Their crew is well trained and the ship is a good ship. It will not effect readiness, but definitely adds some unneccessary stress to the crew (having to adjust to a new XO and CO).

LMCane said:

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I became an officer in 2005 after going non-prior to AMS in Tennessee

I vividly remember the other prior senior enlisted talking about affairs and having affairs.

I couldn't believe such a thing could happen with US military officers

I was Air Force. I imagine it could be even worse in the Navy.

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Yeah, my first deployment was definitely an eye opener. I had a much more idealistic view of my fellow officers going into deployment than I did leaving.

Then again, I remember learning about the brothels in Hawaii during WWII. Supposedly $3 for 3 minutes. Those ladies made a killing. Hundreds of thousands of visits, supposedly. Not exactly what we think about when we think about values in the 40's.

bigtruckguy3500 said:

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LMCane said:

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I became an officer in 2005 after going non-prior to AMS in Tennessee

I vividly remember the other prior senior enlisted talking about affairs and having affairs.

I couldn't believe such a thing could happen with US military officers

I was Air Force. I imagine it could be even worse in the Navy.

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Yeah, my first deployment was definitely an eye opener. I had a much more idealistic view of my fellow officers going into deployment than I did leaving.

Then again, I remember learning about the brothels in Hawaii during WWII. Supposedly $3 for 3 minutes. Those ladies made a killing. Hundreds of thousands of visits, supposedly. Not exactly what we think about when we think about values in the 40's.

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Count me as also disappointed on my deployment by some people's lack of discipline and faithfulness to their spouses. Not just officers though, lots of idiots acting like they were in high school sneaking around in our bunkers to fool around, and trying to smuggle booze in from the black market.

It got so bad the general eventually had to order SF to start patrolling the bunkers to scare people away from going in there to bang away. Probably just found somewhere else, but at least I wasn't going to run into the bunker when an alarm went off and find a captain doing a A1C anymore.

A couple of folks ended up separated at the end of the deployment for just being absolute idiots with their indiscretions.

I have been told by someone with an Army officer son that infidelity is a serious, continuing problem for both spouses that becomes more frequent and intense when one of them is deployed. Moreover, crossing the line between officer and enlisted involvement is frequent. The son also said the military prefers not to hear about it because of the the potential chaos that may ensue. It's an extension of the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy.

Things are very different now versus the environment when I was between 20 and 40.

I cannot imagine the Navy officers mentioned by the OP being so foolish, if the speculation is true, given their extraordinary positions of trust and leadership. Lust can be an overwhelming force.

sharpdressedman said:

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I have been told by someone with an Army officer son that infidelity is a serious, continuing problem for both spouses that becomes more frequent and intense when one of them is deployed.

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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Lust? Maybe. But if you're the senior officers on a boat, I'm guessing it's more of a function of boredom, loneliness, and pent up urge.

The experiment keeps failing - and yet those who cut through Chesterton's fence to interject a token number of women into the military will keep harping otherwise.

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Not to get all philosophical on the military board, but these are some things I've been thinking about recently.

Every action has consequences. Sometimes I wonder if our country's involvement in war has had a detrimental long term impact on our society and moral culture. While only a small percentage of this country serves now, a significantly larger percentage served in Korea, Vietnam, and quite a few still served and deployed over the last 20+ years. Sending millions of men overseas, away from wives and girlfriends, away from children, etc. What kind of effect does this have on relationships. Men cheat while overseas, women left behind cheat. Men back home sometimes see women here as easy targets. How many men, besides engaging in infidelity, also engage in prostitutions during deployments, or over seas tours? Anyone who has lived near a large base knows that is a big issue.


Further, regarding interjecting a token number of women in the military, is that really what's happening? Has the current generation of men abdicated their responsibility to serve and protect their country and family? Would we reach recruiting numbers without women? Over 17% of the military is women. Of course these numbers aren't evenly distributed between the branches, and further less distributed between the combat and non-combat arms. I mean it sounds like we could potentially have a more lethal force if more men joined, but they just aren't.

I dunno, it's late and I'm tired. Y'all have a good night.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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Our force projection model is certainly historically irregular.

- Sailors and Marines are supposed to live on a ship without families or personal homes.
- Soldiers are supposed to be involved in a campaign (and if that's an occupation - they establish lives within the foreign community.
- Airmen & Spacemen are like akin to support staff who are supposed to spend their career in a domestic community.
- All are supposed to be heterosexual males for camaraderie, functionality, and drama purposes.

Instead, since WW2, we have converted to an adventure model where servicemen have a foot in 2 different canoes trying to balance between 2 purposes that they're not fully committing to.


As to whether recruiting would be possible with a unapologetically masculine culture and force application? It's probably worth a try seeing as the feminized force isn't succeeding to attract the men it's supposed to attract.

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That's a take.

You realize the calvary often had families with them out west in the 1800s? The world is a long way from Roman legions not allowed to marry. He'll, it didn't work for them either.