Where did it go?

I assume staff deleted it

The OP edited most of his stuff, but there were still a bunch of rumors, falsehoods, allegations and darn near libelous things said. Good that it's gone.

My sources say donations are still up, the Corps is still larger than it has been in the past, and the Commandant has the support of the President of the University and the BoR.

Whiners on a message board are not going to dislodge him.

Conclusions:

Current cadets need to stick to b**ch sessions in the dorms, and keep it off the Internet.

If they have real complaints, they should send them up the chain of command.

If former cadets have complaints, they should join the Corps of Cadets Association, and send their complaints through them.

If there are true, serious concerns, and CCA isn't responsive, you've got the Administration, the BoR, your state Congressmen, etc. etc. Write them a signed letter with your real name.

My opinion: The disgruntled were a tiny minority.

Well said, Canyon!

First, learn how to spell Commandant.

Second. Don't believe everything you read on an internet board.

I dont believe what is written... it was entertaining.

As far as spelling... really... get over it.

Thanks Canyon for telling me what to do on the internet.

As a former student, if I want to ***** on the internet about the CCA, A&M, the Corps of Cadets, the Commandant or the football team I will.



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Remember the term "bleed" and "bull sessions"?

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Thanks Canyon for telling me what to do on the internet.

As a former student, if I want to ***** on the internet about the CCA, A&M, the Corps of Cadets, the Commandant or the football team I will.

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Whatever.

My judgement is that some things can be discussed online, some things should not be. Airing "family squabbles" in front of non-regs and t-sips is not bright, in my opinion.

Your mileage may vary.

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My judgement is that some things can be discussed online, some things should not be. Airing "family squabbles" in front of non-regs and t-sips is not bright, in my opinion.

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I agree. But at the same time I feel as though the Corps needs to be publicly embarrassed to straighten out some of the areas in which they suck. The tough part is though, the cadets that don't care now, probably aren't going to care unless you single them out specifically. So the whole Corps looks bad because of just a few. Example - march-ins. I cringe everytime I see outfits marching along. I'm also FDT, and did A LOT of pushups for some of those mistakes that were a fraction of what I see during marchins.

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As an active duty officer, I would hope you would reconsider *****ing/spreading rumors about a 1-star general who is wearing the uniform and leading a Senior Military College program/Corps of Cadets. That is where Gator F'd up. (I'm assuming he is military as someone mentioned in his profile.)

Officers spreading rumors about other officers is poor taste, judgement, and outright wrong. That is just my two cents and maybe all its worth, but that's how I was brought up and still believe in that code.

I believe he's a butt based off some of his previous posts.

Gator's profile originally said "USMC Officer". He changed it when challenged in the other thread. Don't know if he changed because he is or changed because he isn't.

cadet...officer...either way.

I will take a moment to apologize for letting myself get caught up in being pissed off about my own personal situation. I may have been a bit unfair in feeling so strongly about some things that were probably more minor than they seemed to me, and I am sorry if any of you got the wrong impression. Sometimes we all need to vent to people who might understand better than others.

Gen Ramirez posted a suggestion to go directly to him with any concerns, so I did, and I got a response this time. Needless to say, I think we are on the same page now, and I'm looking forward to a future of supporting the Corps again at some point. He will probably make that point occur sooner rather than later.

Glad you worked it out. I emailed him as well, more of "hi, remember me" message of general support. I was tempted to mention your situation to him and ask why it was fumbled. But I didn't feel like I had the right to do so.

I'm happy you guys took care of it without my interference.

Golly y'all. I get busy at work (it is Q4 you know) and I miss all the drama. My 2 cents worth but, when

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You might want to listen. He's 15 Class Years ahead of me and I still learn stuff from him.

What Fly Army said.

The thread in question became "less than professional".

Fightin Gator was claiming to be a Marine Officer.

A Lieutenant showing his ass towards a retired 1-star on a public forum is a good way not necessarily to get heat from him, but heat from his own chain of command once they are/were pointed in that thread's direction.

On the thread that was removed and on this one, there seems to be quite a bit of pointing fingers and dismissing complaints.

Not once were any of the complaints addressed. To say "complain through your chain of command" is ridiculous when you have a contract or leadership position on the line. In effect, the cadets who see the most of what is going wrong (in their opinion) are the ones with the most to lose.

It also seems that telling them they do not have enough maturity to understand the changes is a cop out.

There were a lot of old men whipping it out and telling them if they had a pair they would sign their names. They have futures they need to look to and signing their names would hurt those futures.

They tried to come here to talk to former cadets who should be willing to at least listen before they dismissed them as too young to know anything. Even better willing to advise them on how to handle change or to reassure them that change would not destroy the corps they love.

Bottom line is it is not one or two disgruntled cadets. The feeling is widespread but most of them are smart enough, or professional enough not to ***** on an internet forum. Most of them don't ***** at all because the response will be what they got here or worse and the price is too high.

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Seeing as how the charges they threw out were all shown to be BS, perhaps they didn't know anything.

The charges they threw out were not all proved to be BS. Some of them were, some of them were not addressed. Some they did not put on this forum.

I was really trying to point out that there is no good way to air concerns -- the internet is definitely not the place. The chain of command is not safe for them. There is no protection against retaliation.

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If a cadet isn't willing to go stand up for what he believes in (with professional candor) because he's worried about losing his contract then I don't give a hoot in hell what he thinks. Aggies have morals and by God we have the guts to stand by em. So either these young men are gutless or their beliefs weren't worth standing up for like a man.

So yeah, if they can't walk into the Trigon and tell the bulls what they believe with their chain of command in tow then I'd call em immature or gutless. Crying on a message board like a whimpering sap about stupid crap is gutless. I don't need to know who they are, I don't care. I don't think they should be on here doing what they were doing to begin with. Seeking my advice? Hell, they were just crying. Nut up and stand up like a man. Hell, if they take commissions they don't need to come to my unit cuz buddy, I'm in a war and I need real men.

I suppose they can all go sit on the grass and "occupy" the quad with gay signs and stupid chants.

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Retaliation? If you believe you are standing on firm ground then what's to fear? Even if they're not sure, stand for what you believe in or don't stand at all. Hell man, do people live in fear like that? I have NEVER heard of a cadet losing his contract because he told a bull what he thought was good for the corps. I was the commander of my outfit and I got busted running on the quad in my boots by old COL Dan Ruiz because I thought stopping that tradition was bullcrap. The good colonel was standing at the arches and so my XO and I ran to the arches where he was standing. Well, I stood at attention and told him exactly what I thought (in a professional manner). He asked us why we were running and we told him that, even in our boots, it didn't hurt a thing and we ran to prove it to him. He acknowledged what we had to say respectfully and then said it wasn't going to change back. That was it. We saluted and went to class.

That is the deal. Ultimately, he is in charge. I got my say, I lost. All this passive aggressive crap of secretly building unity is just that, crap. It smacks of a lack of respect for authority, the authority that we all promised or swore to respect and obey. There are systems in place to lodge complaints, if a majority of the outfit commanders speak with one voice then they will get a hearing with the bulls. Heck, most decisions are probably run by the corps leadership before it is implemented (it has to be because those leaders have to find out about them to implement them.) What did those leaders say then? Probably nothing.

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I have to stand with Cavgrunt on the issue of standing up for your morals and what you believe in. Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself even if there are potentially negative consequences.

The NROTC officers really liked to mess with my outfit and try to stir up stuff because they didn't like what GVA was doing and they didn't like me. I got summoned to the Trigon one day because the Navy captain wanted to tell me how to run my outfit and train my fish. I politely and respectfully explained that there was nothing I was doing in training that did not go on in military basic training or at the academies and I was there to do the job the Commandant asked me to do. I told him he was welcome to address his concerns with GVA or my CTO and we could deal with it through my chain of command.

He wasn't happy that I had respectfully told him to go to hell, but he left me alone after that.

I think a lot of cadets fail to realize just how effective use of the chain of command can be. Even in the Corps, it's pretty rare that every echelon of the chain is filled with jerks, and there is no sense in stewing in your problem if you are afraid of what may or may not happen.

Van Alstyne and Ramirez seem to have both done good jobs of putting the right people in leadership positions most of the time. That is probably the most significant factor in improving how the chain of command approaches cadets who have grievances to air.

CavGrunt I may not like the way you say it but I agree with what you say 100%.

Fly, I didn't spread any rumors, and I disagree with somone doing so, but this is a message board, you don't believe everything you read on a message board. I still retain a right to gripe, ***** moan and complain about what's wrong with the Corps and that "Old Army has gone to hell." I live a long way from Aggieland and I don't know much about what's going on anymore except through this message board and the occasional news article. If discussing the Corps on an open message board is an issue, maybe we should see about getting a restrticted one.

^ If you admit you don't know what's going on, how could you complain about it being done incorrectly?

And there was a lot of childish, temper-tantrum griping on that thread. A lot of people needed to put their big boy pants on and grow up.

To be clear, I am not accusing you of spreading rumors...I'm talking in a general sense re: Gator.

While I agree with your rights, this guy was not '*****ing', it was flat out unbecoming of an officer (assuming he was/is going to be one), and I reserve the right to call one out.

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Fightin gator is no longer a cadet. He graduated last year and is long gone from college station. He was one of those typical cadets that gets in trouble at the end of the year and blames it on everyone else, or the commandant in this case. I have asked him not to post on here anymore, at least about the current corps since has nothing good to say about it. He is making his old outfit look bad and the corps as a whole. Hope he is true to his word.

He graduated? He only had 59 completed hours as of last April, over 70 after last spring? Whatever.

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I'm pretty sure he was at Galveston for at least a year maybe that's why. How do you know how many hours he has or any other info? I'm new to this forum

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Oh there are ways. Back in my day, I used to really enjoy logging onto the VAX and looking up what the Major and University Classifications were for my upperclassmen and later for my buddies. There were often large discrepancies between what they claimed their Classification was and what they claimed their Major was versus what it actually was according to the University.

An act which is clearly illegal.