bout time we get an nfl or at least mlb team

since when is jerry Jones the end all be all of nfl expansion teams ?

He's always been the decider of expansion teams in Texas.

Obviously I'm ignorant on the politics of the nfl

Kind of like the Aggies would not want another Texas school in the SEC-Dallas and Houston would not want another NFL team in Texas. I'm just guessing

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since when is jerry Jones the end all be all of nfl expansion teams ?

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When there are 32 franchises in the NFL and yours is the most valuable franchise for 12 consecutive years the other franchises also value your opinion. This is already an NFL town with all the Cowboys jerseys. Adding a franchise here would only cannibalize an existing fan base, and Jerry Jones stands the most to lose.

Nelson Wolff would give up his lumpy son to get a MLB team to this town, but that would probably have to be an expansion team. I don't think MLB is looking at expansion right now

Austin ?

Pros want corporate money, SAT doesn't have enough. Austin will get one before SAT. Jerry will never allow it for NFL in either city and neither will the spurs in SAT unless they get a piece of the action.

LigaMX

Problem is not just Jerry.

Main issue is lack of big corporate entities with an HQ presence.

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Austin ?

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I don't know what the other poster had in mind regarding that comment, but one area I feel this is true is band tour schedules. Seems like many big names stop in Austin and skip S.A.

I think that's given because of the demographics of austin and it's general vibe, the city is all about live music . San Antonio ain't

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Austin ?

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I don't know what the other poster had in mind regarding that comment, but one area I feel this is true is band tour schedules. Seems like many big names stop in Austin and skip S.A.

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It used to be the other way around, especially for metal bands.

I believe it SA has always been a rock city

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I believe it SA has always been a rock city

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That's because of the cement quarries.

No way we get NFL (thank God) and Wolff is still blathering on about a new baseball park. Wish he would take a foulball to the nuts and just go away unless he wants to pay for it.

We should focus more time on finalizing streetcars downtown and adding more scooters.

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since when is jerry Jones the end all be all of nfl expansion teams ?

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When there are 32 franchises in the NFL and yours is the most valuable franchise for 12 consecutive years the other franchises also value your opinion. This is already an NFL town with all the Cowboys jerseys. Adding a franchise here would only cannibalize an existing fan base, and Jerry Jones stands the most to lose.

Nelson Wolff would give up his lumpy son to get a MLB team to this town, but that would probably have to be an expansion team. I don't think MLB is looking at expansion right now

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I bet the Tampa Bay Rays move sometime in the next few years, but I doubt they would come here.

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azulAg said:

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since when is jerry Jones the end all be all of nfl expansion teams ?

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When there are 32 franchises in the NFL and yours is the most valuable franchise for 12 consecutive years the other franchises also value your opinion. This is already an NFL town with all the Cowboys jerseys. Adding a franchise here would only cannibalize an existing fan base, and Jerry Jones stands the most to lose.

Nelson Wolff would give up his lumpy son to get a MLB team to this town, but that would probably have to be an expansion team. I don't think MLB is looking at expansion right now

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I bet the Tampa Bay Rays move sometime in the next few years, but I doubt they would come here.

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They should move to Clearwater and play in the new Scientology Stadium.

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azulAg said:

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since when is jerry Jones the end all be all of nfl expansion teams ?

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When there are 32 franchises in the NFL and yours is the most valuable franchise for 12 consecutive years the other franchises also value your opinion. This is already an NFL town with all the Cowboys jerseys. Adding a franchise here would only cannibalize an existing fan base, and Jerry Jones stands the most to lose.

Nelson Wolff would give up his lumpy son to get a MLB team to this town, but that would probably have to be an expansion team. I don't think MLB is looking at expansion right now

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I bet the Tampa Bay Rays move sometime in the next few years, but I doubt they would come here.

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They're in a pretty tough lease in that crappy bldg through 2027.

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azulAg said:

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since when is jerry Jones the end all be all of nfl expansion teams ?

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When there are 32 franchises in the NFL and yours is the most valuable franchise for 12 consecutive years the other franchises also value your opinion. This is already an NFL town with all the Cowboys jerseys. Adding a franchise here would only cannibalize an existing fan base, and Jerry Jones stands the most to lose.

Nelson Wolff would give up his lumpy son to get a MLB team to this town, but that would probably have to be an expansion team. I don't think MLB is looking at expansion right now

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I get it. What I don't understand is why this doesn't apply to Florida California and New York. All support 3 nfl teams easily. And the. Ohio n Pennsylvania have two each and they're much smaller states

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I have a theory that if it were not for Uncle Sam, San Antonio would probably look more like Seguin or Laredo. That is to say, about about 100 years ago this town went all in on any and all funding they could get from the federal government. From entitlements and handouts to the US Military, this town runs on federal dollars, and the local leadership is pretty indifferent to big commerce. Without that you won't see a stadium with lots of luxury boxes, and without the luxury boxes you won't see a pro sports team. USAA, Frost Bank, and Rack Space aren't enough.

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I think your theory is fact unfortunately, only thing I would add is that this city loves to sell itself for low cost labor (call center haven)

Fair enough

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I have a theory that if it were not for Uncle Sam, San Antonio would probably look more like Seguin or Laredo. That is to say, about about 100 years ago this town went all in on any and all funding they could get from the federal government. From entitlements and handouts to the US Military, this town runs on federal dollars, and the local leadership is pretty indifferent to big commerce. Without that you won't see a stadium with lots of luxury boxes, and without the luxury boxes you won't see a pro sports team. USAA, Frost Bank, and Rack Space aren't enough.

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I think your theory is fact unfortunately, only thing I would add is that this city loves to sell itself for low cost labor (call center haven)

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And the second biggest money maker are transient hotel visitors (conventions). They won't be going to games consistently.

Yes, I failed to mention tourism as the other big industry in this town. Every time a new hotel goes in downtown we hear about all the jobs it creates. I always have to ask how many more housekeeping and restaurant jobs this city needs when Austin is adding jobs that require a college education.

Grand Hyatt was around 34 stories. The new Frost Bank building is around 24.

Well to answer your question the minor league hockey team has now left the city. So...

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Well to answer your question the minor league hockey team has now left the city. So...

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...so let's go all in and build a state of the art baseball stadium to attract a team. What could wrong?

Signed,
Henry Cisneros

Didn't Austin just get a MLS team instead of SA, and both were bidding on it. SA can only support the Spurs. Like has been said, not enough corporate money. And, not enough individuals willing to buy season tickets.

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Yes, I failed to mention tourism as the other big industry in this town. Every time a new hotel goes in downtown we hear about all the jobs it creates. I always have to ask how many more housekeeping and restaurant jobs this city needs when Austin is adding jobs that require a college education.

Grand Hyatt was around 34 stories. The new Frost Bank building is around 24.

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The biggest industry is Human Medicine. It's got a huge footprint here that is deep, wide, and varied, but not much in the way of corporate HQs.

Government is a double edged sword. Very stable, especially in the times when the bulk of the country hits economic downturns, but it limits new growth and new fresh ideas and entrepreneurs like you have in the other big 3 cities in TX.

Recent college graduates don't have the same opportunity here as in Houston or Dallas. They compete here with recent military retirees who have more experience and are willing to work for less than a 23 year old with college debt, so the young brain trust leaves here in too large overall numbers to benefit a city that is normally this size. It's better now than 20-30 years ago, but still lags. City officials and Chamber of Commerce folks are working on ways to change city infrastructure to make it more tech company/worker attractive.

Personally, I think the base is already big enough to support an NFL franchise. It's certainly already more viable than several of the smaller market current NFL towns. Just because we could make it work doesn't mean Jerruh would let it happen. Question is, how do you take on Jerruh and win? It's a tough one with few good answers.

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It's certainly already more viable than several of the smaller market current NFL towns.

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Just out of my own curiosity:

Pittsburgh, PA - 2,356,285

San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX - 2,142,508

Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN - 2,130,151

Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH - 2,077,240

Kansas City, MO-KS - 2,035,334

Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC - 1,758,038

Indianapolis-Carmel, IN - 1,756,241

Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro--Franklin, TN - 1,589,934

Jacksonville, FL - 1,345,596

New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA - 1,167,764

Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY - 1,135,509



Obviously there are other factors beside metro population, but I thought I would look it up.

Excellent examples.

I don't buy that SA doesn't have a more viable economic base than several of these cities. I don't think there's any question we could support an NFL franchise.