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Had some time off for paternity leave so naturally I decided to tear out a flower bed and add a patio. The plan is to eventually cover it with a pergola and then add a simple kitchen.

First things first, my beautiful daughter and the reason I get 4 weeks off of work.



Project started 8/16/21

Forgot to get a true "before shot", but this is as close to original as it looked. The freeze knocked out a bottlebrush and the bushes looked terrible which is what got me thinking about tearing it all out.



Bushes removed. Old hose was tied to the house by previous owner. Hated having to turn the hose on 20' from where it was wrapped up.



Got some heavy rain day 2 and 3. The kids didn't mind. The existing storm water pipes were completely clogged. Glad I got a chance to fix it and put screens up in the gutters.



Mud removed, ready to start plumbing.



Relocated hose bib, added stub up for sink, and stub up for sewer.



Storm water pipe tied to existing drain that catches the pool overflow, pool dump, and backyard drain.



Had some helpers moving the sakrete



One pallet minus 2 bags that broke. ~10% discount for buying a pallet. Bought 10 more bags today just to be sure. 4,000 lbs moved to the back.



Planning to pour in 3 sections. I'll do the outers tomorrow and the inner one the next day if the rain holds off. Tied the rebar into the house foundation. Have some help coming tomorrow thankfully. So far it's just been me and the kids. And a super supportive wife who has let me work my tail off during my bonding leave.

big ben
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Good job, there was a good DIY thread for this prolly ten years ago on TA, I think the poster was Olag or something like that
coolerguy12
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First day of concrete. Ended up putting down about 60 bags. Had to get my wife to take the baby to HD to get us more. She saved the day, along with my dad and a retired neighbor that I roped in to help.



Zip tied a level to a 2x4 which worked really well to set the grade for runoff. I'll be able to perfect it with the flagstone as well.



Roped a high schooler in to help. I was impressed at how hard a worker he was.



Had to get creative to smooth the side against the wall.



Two sections down, one to go.


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Aggietaco
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Stand mixer rentals are pretty cheap, you know. Also, would be a good idea to add a clean out on either side of that storm tee before you pour if possible.

Great job DIY'ing a difficult project so far.
Aggietaco
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Also, congrats on the new kiddo.
big ben
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Stand mixers take too long, I know in houston you could rent a tow behind hopper w/ 1 yard premixed just have to work fast
coolerguy12
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big ben said:

Stand mixers take too long, I know in houston you could rent a tow behind hopper w/ 1 yard premixed just have to work fast


We mixed 50 bags in 90 min today. The time to pick up the mixer and drop it off would have been more than that. Looked at the tow behind trailers but I didn't want the time commitment of picking them up and then wasting concrete between pours if I didn't have enough to do the next pour. I would do it in wheelbarrows 10 times out of 10 if I did it again. Just need plenty of friends willing to help out.
coolerguy12
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Aggietaco said:

Also, congrats on the new kiddo.


Thanks very much.
coolerguy12
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Aggietaco said:

Stand mixer rentals are pretty cheap, you know. Also, would be a good idea to add a clean out on either side of that storm tee before you pour if possible.

Great job DIY'ing a difficult project so far.


Storm tee will basically be a cleanout. Worst case I can pull the gutters off the wall and clean out from there too. I put caps in the downspouts that should prevent most debris from getting in.

ETA: I think you mean the buried tee with no riser. I will look at that to see how hard that would be. Thanks for the advice.
coolerguy12
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Last section ready to pour.



Got 25 bags down in 34 min. Had to add a few river rocks to the bottom at the end to make sure we had enough. Literally had to scrape the bottom of the barrows but we got it done.



coolerguy12
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Had to go back to work so progress has slowed to a crawl. Hope to wrap up flagstone by end of day Monday at the latest.

coolerguy12
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Finished with the flag stone. Still need to acid wash and power wash



After acid wash on new rock. Had to do quite a bit of scraping and brushing but it turned out really nice.

Ulrich
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I mowed my yard this weekend, so I'd say we're both doing pretty good.
coolerguy12
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Mine has been neglected since I started this project. It's a jungle out there.
Sea Speed
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what is in between the flag stone? how hard was that? That is something i would love to do with my current patio.
coolerguy12
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Type S mortar. It's really not that hard, just tedious. I would lay out the next 7-10 rocks and then mark chalk lines on them to line them back up. Then remove 3-4 rocks, fill the area with mortar, and set them back in and level. Then pull 3-4 rocks and do it again. After I got done with that section I would fill in and smooth all the joints. After about an hour I would wet my hand and smooth the joints again. That made a mess on the rocks but was worth it for a cleaner joint. It all came off with the acid wash.

I used a 4.5" mason cutting bit on an angle grinder. Really didn't make too many cuts though. Only when I felt I had the perfect rock and just had to trim one part of it. Went through 3-4 blades probably. Not bad.

The worst part was mixing mortar. I used 26 bags so each bag only covered 2-4 rocks. I could have gone a lot faster with two wheel barrows and someone helping to mix.

ETA: I have a ton of extra flagstone If you're interested in making a deal. Located in north Houston.
Sea Speed
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How long did that take? Had you done it before? Thats pretty much what we want to do to our patio so I appreciate the insight.
Matsui
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Beautiful
coolerguy12
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Had never done it before but I have worked in construction for a long time so I knew the steps, and YouTube filled in any gaps I had.

It took me 22 calendar days from start to finish but that included being off work for the first 14 days. I would guess 18 days at 3-4 hours per day average.

If I were doing this only on the weekends it would have been 2 months minimum.

It was physically very difficult but technically I would say 7 out of 10. Hardest part is getting the level of the concrete right so water flows off properly. Once forms are set correctly it's pretty straight forward. If you have the drive and a little DIY know how you can get it done. Most important thing for me was to keep the project moving. My wife was very supportive watching the baby but there were days I got in trouble because I was working while she was watching the kids but I couldn't let it stall out. Had to keep momentum on it.
coolerguy12
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For reference I estimated it's about 150 sqft.

88 bags of sackrete
26 bags of mortar
4300 lbs of flagstone. (This was probably double what I needed but I got a discount buying a pallet so I would say it's worth it)

Add in pipe, tools, rebar, and forms and I was probably at about $1200 for the whole thing.
Sea Speed
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Thanks for all the info. We already have a concrete patio so I would save a TON of effort not having to do the concrete, but sounds like ill have a hell of a time mixing the mortar because my area is at least 3x that size.

How level is the flagstone? Are there any spots where it sticks up badly or were the stones you got pretty uniform and didn't have any big protrusions? How long did just the flagstone portion take you. I would basically be able to commit 8 hours plus a day to it once I started.

If you have links to those YouTube videos you found helpful for the flagstone part id be really appreciative.

Work looks great and I look forward to seeing the kitchen addition. Great job!
coolerguy12
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Flagstone was probably about 6 days at 2-3 hours per day. Worked pretty slow though. I worked from the front to back because I didn't want to get my elevation wrong when I got to the existing stuff so I would set 10-15 rocks and then call it a day so I didn't risk stepping on rocks and knocking them out of level.

If you already have the pad and can do 8 hour days I would say you're on the money. You could knock it out in 5-6 days I would think. Maybe quicker if you have someone to help you mix mortar.

Just google flagstone DIY installation. I watched 3-4 of the most popular ones.

The rocks are all different thicknesses and there are spots water stands because of how some of them lined up. I could have probably slowed down some and picked better rocks in certain areas but I tend to struggle from paralysis by analysis if I didn't just get working. There were a million ways I could have laid it out, had to just get a rock that fit well enough and move on.

There is a video out there where the guy laid out his entire patio prior to putting mortar. I would advise against that. Too hard to get everything back exactly where it was. I laid out 10 at a time and put them in place.
Sea Speed
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Awesome thanks. Reading about folks doing projects on their own always gives me the confidence boost to take on new things on my own. It has saved me a ton of money over the years. Greatly appreciate the insight.
Ulrich
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I did a flagstone patio, but just set them in decomposed granite instead of on concrete because it's a fairly low traffic area. The first 10 square feet took half a day and it's PERFECT. The remaining 120 square feet took a day because I realized that if I didn't finish that weekend I would end up taking all summer. It ended up being reasonably flat, and with the decomposed granite you don't have to worry about drainage.
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Look great, we just had another as well and will be taking 16 weeks of paternity leave starting after the holidays. I hope to have most of my big projects wrapped by then, but I subbed almost all of mine out. On the outdoor kitchen front I bought a challenger cart for my BGE, a table top black stone and I nice burner setup that I put on lueders. Can't recommend the challenger car enough
HoopsAg
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Damn, I suck at life. I could never do that.
JYDog90
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Nice work! I'm absolutely stunned how much your daughter grew between that first and second picture. Y'all are a whole family full of overachievers!
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Phase 2 has officially begun. I picked up the cedar for the pergola/roof yesterday and began building brackets today.

Felt like the richest man in the world moving this much lumber around. Or poorest depending how you look at it.


Plan is to attach it to my house using these risers.



But if this thread has taught you anything it's that I refuse to spend $160 per bracket when I can build them for about $35 per.

Getting ready for the first weld.



I'm far from a pro but it will hold.



Drilled holes first and notched it so it was easier to bend.





Put a small bead in the crotch since I took metal out when I notched it.



Have two done but forgot to take final pictures. If the weather works out I'll cut some holes in my roof and install them tomorrow. I would rather figure out if I have an issue with my design before I build the other two.
Sea Speed
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how do they connect to your house? cutting holes in your roof is brave!
coolerguy12
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Skip to 1:07 mark

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Sea Speed
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by doing this yourself do you risk issues with your roof being insured? I am absolutely terrified to introduce a new way for water to enter my house. LOVE that youre welding them yourself though. That is probably one of the things that is high on my "skills to learn" list. Love this project.
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Finished bracket. Built it with the roof boot pre-installed which proved to make the install quite difficult. I wound up cutting the boot on the downhill side to install the bracket without it. I'm not very excited about it. It will have a roof on it so water isn't an issue. Just looks bad.



Hole cut in roof for install.



Set in place prior to install, before I cut the boot. Kids had a great vantage point while staying out of my way.



The roof will cover the area in front of the two story windows. Will add about 225 sqft of covered patio.



coolerguy12
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First beam went up last night. 2nd one should be up tomorrow. After that it's just 13 cross members and then the metal roof. Both brackets are installed on the other side. Just need to replace singles and I'll be ready for the beam.

coolerguy12
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Pergola structure is up. Still need to add some bracing and clean a few things up but it's ready for the roof. I'll be doing a metal roof similar to what you would see on a farm house.





View from inside. Couldn't come up with a good way to do this without blocking windows and eventually decided the gain on the patio would be worth losing some window sight lines. The sun blasts these windows in the summer anyway so this will help with that.

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