Bryson started Masters week ranked 210 in the world.
Masters: T6
PGA : 2
US Open: 1
He's now ranked 10 in the world.
Masters: T6
PGA : 2
US Open: 1
He's now ranked 10 in the world.
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Is that good ? I think that's good.
that 210 was folly
LIV has broken the system in more ways than one.
aggiedent said:
LIV has broken the system in more ways than one.
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This crap will never cease to be funny.aggiedent said:
LIV has broken the system in more ways than one.
We've literally watched the PGAT collude to ensure LIV doesn't get OWGR points "because". They've run a 9 figure PR Campaign to discredit anyone playing there as no longer being good and not deserving points because they dared not fall in line. Their arrogance and greed in shaming the kingdom who just asked to be an investor and have a mini tour in the middle east led to all of this only to end up partnered with them anyway after being owned. Few, if any of the PGAT players remaining have any faith in the leadership. And now they get to eat crow as Bryson has discredited everything they've done.
There were literally PGAT announcers talking about how it took the move the LIV and the ability for Bryson be himself to be successful because it wasn't possible to do so on the PGAT. Something is broken alright.
Your dedication to supporting the problem is almost admirable though. You should ask Rory how that worked out for him.
AggieDruggist89 said:aggiedent said:
LIV has broken the system in more ways than one.
But you love broken tooth repairs $$$$$$
I've heard sugar coated rocks are a wonderful snack!!
AgLA06 said:This crap will never cease to be funny.aggiedent said:
LIV has broken the system in more ways than one.
We've literally watched the PGAT collude to ensure LIV doesn't get OWGR points "because". They've run a 9 figure PR Campaign to discredit anyone playing there as no longer being good and not deserving points because they dared not fall in line. Their arrogance and greed in shaming the kingdom who just asked to be an investor and have a mini tour in the middle east led to all of this only to end up partnered with them anyway after being owned. Few, if any of the PGAT players remaining have any faith in the leadership. And now they get to eat crow as Bryson has discredited everything they've done.
There were literally PGAT announcers talking about how it took the move the LIV and the ability for Bryson be himself to be successful because it wasn't possible to do so on the PGAT. Something is broken alright.
Your dedication to supporting the problem is almost admirable though. You should ask Rory how that worked out for him.
Uh……are you having some kind of panic attack over my statement or some other psychological event?
I've been a 100% supporter of LIV's existence and the players that joined. And I'm fully aware that the PGA's leadership has been a failure, both in LIV's existence and the way the PGAT reacted to it.
But in future, when I consider making a brief one line comment that sums up an issue, I'll write a full dissertation apportioning blame, just so you don't blow a gasket.
Just kidding…….I'd rather see you blow a gasket.
How dare you post one liners...
On the majors so far this year, if you take Bryson out of the equation, it has been a disappointing performance by the rest of the LIV players. At the PGA last month, only Burmester finished in the Top 20 at Valhalla. At Pinehurst yesterday, no other LIV player finished in the Top 10 with only Tweety Bird placing inside the Top 20 with a T12 finish. At The Masters, they did have Smith and Hatton finishing in the Top 10 along with cheating Reed at T12. But for the big name players out of LIV golf such as Rahm, DJ, Brooks and others like Niemann, etc, not a single player has a Top 20 finish in the majors so far this season. Again, congratulations to Bryson on his win yesterday and hopefully he can be part of the US Ryder Cup team next year.
HeyAbbott said:
On the majors so far this year, if you take Bryson out of the equation, it has been a disappointing performance by the rest of the LIV players. At the PGA last month, only Burmester finished in the Top 20 at Valhalla. At Pinehurst yesterday, no other LIV player finished in the Top 10 with only Tweety Bird placing inside the Top 20 with a T12 finish. At The Masters, they did have Smith and Hatton finishing in the Top 10 along with cheating Reed at T12. But for the big name players out of LIV golf such as Rahm, DJ, Brooks and others like Niemann, etc, not a single player has a Top 20 finish in the majors so far this season. Again, congratulations to Bryson on his win yesterday and hopefully he can be part of the US Ryder Cup team next year.
It really is interesting how the LIV players have faired in the majors. I have watched very little LIV golf but clearly it's a quirky format. A guy like Bryson, who is as quirky as you get in a human being, is playing perhaps his best golf this year. Coincidence that he has adapted the best?
And guys like DJ and Rahm are struggling. DJ did win a LIV tournament in February but has played poorly since, missed 2 out of 3 major cuts, and his best major finish is 43. Rahm has not finished better than 3 in an LIV tournament, missed 1 of 2 major cuts, and his best major finish is 45. Those guys are too good to play that poorly. Is it as simple as they are in a slump, or are they not adapting as well as Bryson?
So they overperformed at the Masters compared to the field, but it's a negative because you want it to be.HeyAbbott said:
On the majors so far this year, if you take Bryson out of the equation, it has been a disappointing performance by the rest of the LIV players. At the PGA last month, only Burmester finished in the Top 20 at Valhalla. At Pinehurst yesterday, no other LIV player finished in the Top 10 with only Tweety Bird placing inside the Top 20 with a T12 finish. At The Masters, they did have Smith and Hatton finishing in the Top 10 along with cheating Reed at T12. But for the big name players out of LIV golf such as Rahm, DJ, Brooks and others like Niemann, etc, not a single player has a Top 20 finish in the majors so far this season. Again, congratulations to Bryson on his win yesterday and hopefully he can be part of the US Ryder Cup team next year.
Imagine what it would look like if their players that were performing well at their events could play.
There are several top golfers who are struggling some over the past half year or longer given their overall wins, major titles, part of the Ryder Cup competitions, etc. Those players are on both the LIV and PGA Tour such as Jordan, JT and maybe Cantlay as he hasn't won since Aug 2022. Then you have guys from LIV like Rahm, Brooks, DJ, etc who haven't performed well at all this year. Bryson seems to thrive more on the top golf events such as majors and Ryder Cup events than the laid back style in LIV golf.
Just stating the facts per the golfers finish at the majors so far this year.
Jason Dufner, Zack Johnson, Fowler, etc. etc. etc.HeyAbbott said:
There are several top golfers who are struggling some over the past half year or longer given their overall wins, major titles, part of the Ryder Cup competitions, etc. Those players are on both the LIV and PGA Tour such as Jordan, JT and maybe Cantlay as he hasn't won since Aug 2022. Then you have guys from LIV like Rahm, Brooks, DJ, etc who haven't performed well at all this year. Bryson seems to thrive more on the top golf events such as majors and Ryder Cup events than the laid back style in LIV golf.
Jason Day for several years until he turned it around this year. I imagine there's dozens of PGAT examples if one took the time to compare their past top 30 list by year to now.
I mean Rory hasn't won a major in a decade. And up until they burned him, he was their poster child.
Regardless of how LIV players may finish, the obvious collusion in regards to the OWGR eroded the legitimacy of it.
When I attempt to objectively look at rankings, I'd have Scottie at #1 and Bryson at #2.
If there are 8 other players better than him right now I'd be interested in knowing who they are.
When I attempt to objectively look at rankings, I'd have Scottie at #1 and Bryson at #2.
If there are 8 other players better than him right now I'd be interested in knowing who they are.
No one cares about Dufner or Zach or Webb or many other middle or lower ranked PGA Tour players who are struggling. Just like no one cares about current LIV players who are past their prime such as Poulter, Stenson, Kaymer, Westwood, Oosthuizen, Grace, McDowell, Kim, etc.
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Bryson seems to thrive more on the top golf events such as majors and Ryder Cup events than the laid back style in LIV golf.
Bryson won 2 LIV tournaments last fall and his team won the team season championship, which he was (and still is) very serious about.
That's the point. It's the same for both PGAT and LIV. Yet it's only at talking point for one.HeyAbbott said:
No one cares about Dufner or Zach or Webb or many other middle or lower ranked PGA Tour players who are struggling. Just like no one cares about current LIV players who are past their prime such as Poulter, Stenson, Kaymer, Westwood, Oosthuizen, Grace, McDowell, Kim, etc.
Because if it's no big deal for Ryder Cup captain, 2 time major winner, and 12 time winner Zach Johnson to fall off for the PGAT, it should be the same for DJ.
Rahm is hurt. Assuming he doesn't get screwed by OWGR, he'll be in contention in majors soon.
Rahm doesn't have to worry about OWGR until 2028. I'll go out on a limb and say they'll be a merger by then.
Anyone can argue the pros and cons of both the PGA Tour and LIV golf all day. Both have their good and not so good aspects. Both have over the hill golfers still playing on their respective events. Unfortunately the feud between both parties is mostly driven by personal egos and greed. Everyone knows that golf is a niche sport and for the game of golf to succeed, improve and thrive in the future, a merger needs to happen.
Just go by datagolf's rankings. They have seemed to figure it out.
In what world are players playing three round no cut events on par with players playing four round events with a cut? You're not comparing apples to apples.jonj101 said:
Regardless of how LIV players may finish, the obvious collusion in regards to the OWGR eroded the legitimacy of it.
When I attempt to objectively look at rankings, I'd have Scottie at #1 and Bryson at #2.
If there are 8 other players better than him right now I'd be interested in knowing who they are.
Username checks out.
We have for the majors and a dozen or 2 LIV players have had top 20 finishes apples to apples.I Am A Critic said:In what world are players playing three round no cut events on par with players playing four round events with a cut? You're not comparing apples to apples.jonj101 said:
Regardless of how LIV players may finish, the obvious collusion in regards to the OWGR eroded the legitimacy of it.
When I attempt to objectively look at rankings, I'd have Scottie at #1 and Bryson at #2.
If there are 8 other players better than him right now I'd be interested in knowing who they are.
The PGAT getting to set the requirements for other tours is the problem. That's not supposed to happen in a competitive business environment. That's why there were law suites until they agreed to merge. And the narrative you posted is just moving goal posts to justify the PGAT getting their way. The entire point is for the PGAT to limit the LIv players. If they weren't competitive, the PGAT wouldn't be going to this extreme to stop them from playing. It's nothing but hypocrisy.
Equipment today is apples to oranges to players in the history books, yet compared every tournament based on streaks and wins by current players. Courses are apples to oranges from what they used to be. But formats can't be different than they were on a goat pasture 2 centuries ago?
The joke of all this was the OWGR exist because a sports agency (IMG) created them to push their players they didn't feel were getting disrespected from playing invitations and they wanted a way to fairly rank golfers on ALL TOURS. Now the PGAT is weaponizing it to illegally control competition. None of this exists if the PGAT isn't scared.
its clear the OWGR isn't a valid system anymore
No system is going to be perfect when you have apples and oranges between LIV and PGA Tour events.
" That's not supposed to happen in a competitive business environment."
LIV has spend over 2 billion dollars on players. They have tv viewership thinner than The Longhorn Network which generated 3 mil in advertising in 2023. They have a total yearly revenue less than 100mil. At that pace, it will take 2 decades to repay the debt assuming they add no more players. The losses are subsidized by a government. Can you really call that a business, let alone part of a competitive business environment?
"The entire point is for the PGAT to limit the LIv players. If they weren't competitive, the PGAT wouldn't be going to this extreme to stop them from playing. It's nothing but hypocrisy."
Look at the finances of the two leagues. The PGA tour I'm sure HATES losing players, especially quality ones, to LIV. But there's no rational way to call LIV "competitive" in a financial/business sense to the PGAT.
LIV has spend over 2 billion dollars on players. They have tv viewership thinner than The Longhorn Network which generated 3 mil in advertising in 2023. They have a total yearly revenue less than 100mil. At that pace, it will take 2 decades to repay the debt assuming they add no more players. The losses are subsidized by a government. Can you really call that a business, let alone part of a competitive business environment?
"The entire point is for the PGAT to limit the LIv players. If they weren't competitive, the PGAT wouldn't be going to this extreme to stop them from playing. It's nothing but hypocrisy."
Look at the finances of the two leagues. The PGA tour I'm sure HATES losing players, especially quality ones, to LIV. But there's no rational way to call LIV "competitive" in a financial/business sense to the PGAT.
If not for media collusion with the PGAT, LIV would have a much better TV deal already, viewership & revenue would be up, and they'd be well on their way to competing against PGAT tournament ratings.
Agree with most everything else you posted, but the 'nobody watches/can find LIV on tv' take that I hear and read all over is solely due to the Tour & media partners actively colluding.
That's going to end soon, however.
Agree with most everything else you posted, but the 'nobody watches/can find LIV on tv' take that I hear and read all over is solely due to the Tour & media partners actively colluding.
That's going to end soon, however.
Colluding with network partners is one of the only weapons in the quill when battling a government utilizing its nationalized oil to wreck their business. This is not a business competition. It's a state with essentially unlimited resources vs one private company "competition"
What is about to change with their Television partners and access?
Matsui said:
What is about to change with their Television partners and access?
Deals will be reached with unification and embargos will get lifted. I'd bet before the end of this calendar year.
Ah okay. Thanks for info!
I Am A Critic said:In what world are players playing three round no cut events on par with players playing four round events with a cut? You're not comparing apples to apples.jonj101 said:
Regardless of how LIV players may finish, the obvious collusion in regards to the OWGR eroded the legitimacy of it.
When I attempt to objectively look at rankings, I'd have Scottie at #1 and Bryson at #2.
If there are 8 other players better than him right now I'd be interested in knowing who they are.
In the same world where the Chevron Hero World Challenge offered OWGR points.
But let's selectively apply standards when they suit our situation.
And elevated tour events that are limited field and have no cuts get the most points on the PGAT.jonj101 said:I Am A Critic said:In what world are players playing three round no cut events on par with players playing four round events with a cut? You're not comparing apples to apples.jonj101 said:
Regardless of how LIV players may finish, the obvious collusion in regards to the OWGR eroded the legitimacy of it.
When I attempt to objectively look at rankings, I'd have Scottie at #1 and Bryson at #2.
If there are 8 other players better than him right now I'd be interested in knowing who they are.
In the same world where the Chevron Hero World Challenge offered OWGR points.
But let's selectively apply standards when they suit our situation.
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