johnnyblaze36 said:
I do hope that our guys will get picked for future Ryder Cup teams and their jumps to LIV not be held against them.
Not enough considering it's the first tournament I've ever watched.Shertown Anthem said:johnnyblaze36 said:
I do hope that our guys will get picked for future Ryder Cup teams and their jumps to LIV not be held against them.
How much is LIV paying you?
And throwing out Chase Koepka as an example of one of the best in the world is a weird flex.
HeyAbbott said:
Bunk defending the Saudis and Greg Norman despite the fact no one in the US is watching LIV golf events on US soil. It was free tickets galore given to the Aussies to go to the LIV golf event plus there isn't much else to do down under.
Bunk Moreland said:Tramp96 said:
XFL vs NFL
Slam ball vs NBA
LIV vs PGA
If you need a gimmick to watch the game, fine. If you want to eschew decades of tradition for gimmickry because you are not "entertained" by the traditional game, have at it.
But some of us prefer the game in its traditional form. There is a beauty and connection to nature that doesn't exist with the LIV gimmickry. Golf is a gentleman's game. It's the last vestige we have left to acting like mature, civilized humans.
LMFAO. Whatever you need to tell yourself to help you sleep at night. Here's the face of pga golf:
Who has said the PGA is perfect? Nobody. You're making stuff up to insulate the narrative in your head.Quote:
I'm also not defending Norman or the Saudis. I'm laughing hysterically at purists who come on to a LIV thread and try to act as if the PGA Tour has been some bastion of elegance, class and sanctity. Guess I struck a nerve.
That's what I can't get. If you're that angry about LIV, you probably should be that angry in the failed PGA leadership that got us to this point. But just about every LIV hater I see is a PGAT fan boy. Just doesn't make sense to me.watty said:
The LIV hatred is so strange to me. I understand being ambivalent towards it, but I can't understand disliking it or going out of your way to try to insult it. It's golf. The exact same sport they play on the PGA Tour. It's so strange what people get upset about.
this is the biggest thing I laugh about when people wanna throw out the tired old angle of dirty money and LIV. Saudi money is literally everywhere in all pro sports and in everyday life in general.AgLA06 said:That's what I can't get. If you're that angry about LIV, you probably should be that angry in the failed PGA leadership that got us to this point. But just about every LIV hater I see is a PGAT fan boy. Just doesn't make sense to me.watty said:
The LIV hatred is so strange to me. I understand being ambivalent towards it, but I can't understand disliking it or going out of your way to try to insult it. It's golf. The exact same sport they play on the PGA Tour. It's so strange what people get upset about.
And the Saudi angle doesn't hold water either with the LPGA being sponsored by them and the PGA's partnership with China.
That's the perfect example.AustinCountyAg said:
Everyone who throws out the saudi crap reminds me of yankees fans and astros cheating scandal.
NFL, MLB, NBA players are paid when they lose.Ragoo said:
How many of the players are getting guaranteed money? The golf is almost secondary at that point.
Just about every major sport except Tennis. And those guys even get appearance fees and such.DukeMu said:NFL, MLB, NBA players are paid when they lose.Ragoo said:
How many of the players are getting guaranteed money? The golf is almost secondary at that point.
watty said:
The LIV hatred is so strange to me. I understand being ambivalent towards it, but I can't understand disliking it or going out of your way to try to insult it. It's golf. The exact same sport they play on the PGA Tour. It's so strange what people get upset about.
I get that. But golf is a tournament. In tournaments you don't get an appearance fee. You play for a portion of the purse.DukeMu said:NFL, MLB, NBA players are paid when they lose.Ragoo said:
How many of the players are getting guaranteed money? The golf is almost secondary at that point.
JCA1 said:
Golf has traditionally been an "eat what you kill" sport, at least in the actual tournaments. For people who liked that aspect of it, it shouldn't be surprising that they may not like a model that pays everyone, regardless of finish.
DukeMu said:watty said:
The LIV hatred is so strange to me. I understand being ambivalent towards it, but I can't understand disliking it or going out of your way to try to insult it. It's golf. The exact same sport they play on the PGA Tour. It's so strange what people get upset about.
David Feherty is involved, and that's good enough for me.
JCA1 said:
I'm not dying on any hill. Just pointing out that some people may think golf is more exciting to watch when you have to make a cut to get a check. That gives it added energy. That's a perfectly rational thing to like. I'm not even saying that's my opinion. I'm fairly indifferent on the payout, but do like the idea of a cut. If you don't feel the same, OK. Who cares? Just pointing out different people may like different things.
Good to see you still can't take anyone's arguments at face value. I'm starting to truly think you have a reading comprehension problem.
AgLA06 said:JCA1 said:
I'm not dying on any hill. Just pointing out that some people may think golf is more exciting to watch when you have to make a cut to get a check. That gives it added energy. That's a perfectly rational thing to like. I'm not even saying that's my opinion. I'm fairly indifferent on the payout, but do like the idea of a cut. If you don't feel the same, OK. Who cares? Just pointing out different people may like different things.
Good to see you still can't take anyone's arguments at face value. I'm starting to truly think you have a reading comprehension problem.
Everyone has a comprehension problem with your posts apparently. I was responding directly to what you wrote, that's why I quoted it. You always deflect and never explain your actual argument.
At some point it isn't everyone else.
JCA1 said:
I'm not dying on any hill. Just pointing out that some people may think golf is more exciting to watch when you have to make a cut to get a check. That gives it added energy. That's a perfectly rational thing to like. I'm not even saying that's my opinion. I'm fairly indifferent on the payout, but do like the idea of a cut. If you don't feel the same, OK. Who cares? Just pointing out different people may like different things.
Good to see you still can't take anyone's arguments at face value. I'm starting to truly think you have a reading comprehension problem.
Bunk Moreland said:
I completely respect the concept of a fan liking the idea of a cut, and I like it too. I don't only like it, but i do like tournaments that can include more people and then have a cut line.
I don't think the cut/having to 'pay' for the money or not having a cut has any effect on the competition one way or another. If it does, I think it's marginal and the team element/flat sucking each week makes up for any lost competitive edge.
The LIV guys aren't all making massive guaranteed figures. The ones that are are already self motivated and were already very well off. The ones that aren't stand to earn a TON of money, life changing money, if they or their team perform well.
I don't think any of them want to finish in the bottom 12 and cash $150k paychecks for 14 tournaments when they can go out there and earn serious dollars by finishing top 10 or contributing to their team finishing top 3 (really top 2 for the big money). There's plenty of motivation to compete, and compete hard.
JCA1 said:Bunk Moreland said:
I completely respect the concept of a fan liking the idea of a cut, and I like it too. I don't only like it, but i do like tournaments that can include more people and then have a cut line.
I don't think the cut/having to 'pay' for the money or not having a cut has any effect on the competition one way or another. If it does, I think it's marginal and the team element/flat sucking each week makes up for any lost competitive edge.
The LIV guys aren't all making massive guaranteed figures. The ones that are are already self motivated and were already very well off. The ones that aren't stand to earn a TON of money, life changing money, if they or their team perform well.
I don't think any of them want to finish in the bottom 12 and cash $150k paychecks for 14 tournaments when they can go out there and earn serious dollars by finishing top 10 or contributing to their team finishing top 3 (really top 2 for the big money). There's plenty of motivation to compete, and compete hard.
No real disagreement from me. I like a cut, as I think it makes for a better tourney because it adds drama and more people increases the chances of a competitive finish. Having said that, I don't think you should lose your shirt because you earned your Tour card only to find out you can't handle the limelight and ended up in six-figure debt. As such, I'm fine with the Tour instituted a minimum wage, so to speak.
I think the vast majority of LIV guys will put in pretty much the same amount of work as they would have on the Tour. Doesn't mean that won't be less, as a bunch of them are getting pretty long in the tooth and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't work as hard as they did in their 20s. But, again, I think that is likely to happen wherever they are.
