AgLA06 said:

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You keep ignoring this.

LiV only exists because the tour tried to strong arm and embarrass the wrong group. It backfired.

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JCA1 said:

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AgLA06 said:

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If I was a player, I would have asked them why it is a problem for us. But not our sponsors? If we're concerned about distancing from potential blowback , then we have a problem taking money from sponsors that do billions of dollars with the same group. It's either a risk or it's not.

Except they didn't have the conversations or perform the due diligence or present it to the players. Which was their obligation.

So it's quite understandable why some of their players are unhappy they find themselves in this mess while the tour plays the victim card.

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Because no one gives a crap about an accounting firm? Good lord. This is not hard. You really think a well known sports league is going to be treated the same as some water treatment company?

And I'm not saying any of this to take a position on what's right or how it should be. I'm just talking about how it is. And organizations in the public eye like sports leagues will be treated different. This is not news.

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You think no one cares about FedEx, BMW, or Coca-Cola? All 3 have pulled out of Russia. You like to call names and insinuate I'm dumb, but this takes the cake.

"The PGA Tour has regularly attacked the LIV Golf series for being funded by Saudi Arabia.

Commissioner Jay Monahan even refuses to call it LIV Golf, instead opting for 'The Saudi Golf League' as a way to foreignize/otherize the startup league.

Yet, if you look at the U.S. tour's title sponsors, a majority have business relations with Saudi Arabia, and/or footprints inside the Kingdom.

In fact, the PGA Tour's big-money postseason the three-tournament series is entirely title-sponsored by brands with a presence in the Kingdom"

https://progolfweekly.com/entire-pga-tour-playoffs-sponsored-by-brands-making-billions-from-saudi-arabia/

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JCA1 said:

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AgLA06 said:

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If I was a player, I would have asked them why it is a problem for us. But not our sponsors? If we're concerned about distancing from potential blowback , then we have a problem taking money from sponsors that do billions of dollars with the same group. It's either a risk or it's not.

Except they didn't have the conversations or perform the due diligence or present it to the players. Which was their obligation.

So it's quite understandable why some of their players are unhappy they find themselves in this mess while the tour plays the victim card.

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Because no one gives a crap about an accounting firm? Good lord. This is not hard. You really think a well known sports league is going to be treated the same as some water treatment company?

And I'm not saying any of this to take a position on what's right or how it should be. I'm just talking about how it is. And organizations in the public eye like sports leagues will be treated different. This is not news.

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You think no one cares about FedEx, BMW, or Coca-Cola? All 3 have pulled out of Russia. You like to call names and insinuate I'm dumb, but this takes the cake.

"The PGA Tour has regularly attacked the LIV Golf series for being funded by Saudi Arabia.

Commissioner Jay Monahan even refuses to call it LIV Golf, instead opting for 'The Saudi Golf League' as a way to foreignize/otherize the startup league.

Yet, if you look at the U.S. tour's title sponsors, a majority have business relations with Saudi Arabia, and/or footprints inside the Kingdom.

In fact, the PGA Tour's big-money postseason the three-tournament series is entirely title-sponsored by brands with a presence in the Kingdom"

https://progolfweekly.com/entire-pga-tour-playoffs-sponsored-by-brands-making-billions-from-saudi-arabia/

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Well then I assume there are just as many media stories complaining about Coca Cola doing business in Saudi as there are stories about the players that took the LIV money. By your standard, they should be getting equal treatment.

Guys, you're not going to change each other's minds and the personal jibes are getting tiresome. Just give it a rest and agree to disagree.

Yep.

I'll agree to that as well. Good night all.

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CyclingAg82 said:

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Duckhook said:

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Not apples-to-apples with Reed's lawsuit, but Reed's attorney certainly had a different viewpoint about LIV 6 months ago.
[url=https://ibb.co/6HzrYpg][/url]

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Does Reed's lawsuit have anything to do with LIV and him leaving? While I like Brandel, his over the top commentary on Reed and the LIV Tour has really annoyed me.

I am full on board with the PGA Tour, but Jay Monahan could have nipped this in bud instead of slamming the PGA Tour's dick on the table and start the suspension threat. I believe they could have found a way to work together instead the proverbial middle finger to the LIV and the golfers going there.

The Ryder Cup and President's Cup will impacted by the golfers that split.

I hate that it has come to that.

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This has already been argued to death on the other thread but once again, exactly how would the tour nip this in the bud? How were they supposed to counter 9 figure signing bonuses? Be specific.

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They could have said we are not suspending you for starters.

One thing LIV does is take care of caddies expenses and lodging. The PGAT says you are on your own.

LIV took a different approach. And I am not absolving Greg Norman in this fiasco, but he wanted a world tour in conjunction with the PGA Tour. Now I read that the PGAT has heard from Tiger about a Tour within a Tour.

https://golf.com/news/report-tiger-woods-meeting-tour-within-tour/

How about that........

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Well, you completely avoided the 9 figure signing bonuses which were obviously the biggest incentive to get people to come over.

And as Danny said, if you let the players go play a dozen of more LIV events, you just killed the PGAT. No sport can survive having their best players skip half the season.

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I haven't avoided anything. I know what they got. If you are a start up and have cash, that you are willing to spend. By all means offer it up as an incentive. If I was starting a tech company and wanted to hire the best - probably what I would do. Regardless of where the money comes from...they have it and are willing to spend it.

And one of the major sponsors in Europe of ladies professional tour is Aramco. Where is the outrage?

Double standard anyone?

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I never said they weren't free to offer the money. The question was about your assertion that Tour could have nipped it in the bud. How could they have done that considering these astronomical payments? That's the question you're refusing to answer. I highly doubt DJ would have turned down $100 mill if only his caddie had a nicer hotel room. Yet, that's all you've offered.

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Jeez dude....let it go. I am offering an opinion, you think I was contacted by the PGAT. We agree to disagree.

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JCA1 said:

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CyclingAg82 said:

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JCA1 said:

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CyclingAg82 said:

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CyclingAg82 said:

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Duckhook said:

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Not apples-to-apples with Reed's lawsuit, but Reed's attorney certainly had a different viewpoint about LIV 6 months ago.
[url=https://ibb.co/6HzrYpg][/url]

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Does Reed's lawsuit have anything to do with LIV and him leaving? While I like Brandel, his over the top commentary on Reed and the LIV Tour has really annoyed me.

I am full on board with the PGA Tour, but Jay Monahan could have nipped this in bud instead of slamming the PGA Tour's dick on the table and start the suspension threat. I believe they could have found a way to work together instead the proverbial middle finger to the LIV and the golfers going there.

The Ryder Cup and President's Cup will impacted by the golfers that split.

I hate that it has come to that.

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This has already been argued to death on the other thread but once again, exactly how would the tour nip this in the bud? How were they supposed to counter 9 figure signing bonuses? Be specific.

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They could have said we are not suspending you for starters.

One thing LIV does is take care of caddies expenses and lodging. The PGAT says you are on your own.

LIV took a different approach. And I am not absolving Greg Norman in this fiasco, but he wanted a world tour in conjunction with the PGA Tour. Now I read that the PGAT has heard from Tiger about a Tour within a Tour.

https://golf.com/news/report-tiger-woods-meeting-tour-within-tour/

How about that........

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Well, you completely avoided the 9 figure signing bonuses which were obviously the biggest incentive to get people to come over.

And as Danny said, if you let the players go play a dozen of more LIV events, you just killed the PGAT. No sport can survive having their best players skip half the season.

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I haven't avoided anything. I know what they got. If you are a start up and have cash, that you are willing to spend. By all means offer it up as an incentive. If I was starting a tech company and wanted to hire the best - probably what I would do. Regardless of where the money comes from...they have it and are willing to spend it.

And one of the major sponsors in Europe of ladies professional tour is Aramco. Where is the outrage?

Double standard anyone?

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I never said they weren't free to offer the money. The question was about your assertion that Tour could have nipped it in the bud. How could they have done that considering these astronomical payments? That's the question you're refusing to answer. I highly doubt DJ would have turned down $100 mill if only his caddie had a nicer hotel room. Yet, that's all you've offered.

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Jeez dude....let it go. I am offering an opinion, you think I was contacted by the PGAT. We agree to disagree.

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I just wanted to know what you had in mind when you said the tour could have nipped this in the bud in light of the enormous sums of money that is luring players over. The only reason I've asked repeatedly is because you never gave an answer. I was genuinely curious if you could back up your statement with something specific. But whatever. No need to continue down this road.