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The game back then was on Thanksgiving Day and the tower is lit on some holidays so the lighting served a dual purpose, beating A&M and celebrating Thanksgiving.

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So when sips lose, tu calls off Thanksgiving? Doesn't sound dual purpose if only one condition needs to be satisfied to light the tower orange.

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In 1973, the regularly used white Tower lights were turned off as a reminder to the University and Austin communities of the need to conserve energy. In the fall of 1974, the regular lighting schedule resumed.

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One big difference between OU and A&M is when A&M wins anything against UT it becomes a life changing situation for aggies. OU, not so much, they strive for more than just beating us.

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No thanks, that it an aggie tradition and I'm not an aggie. So you have over 8000 posts and you have never read numerous aggie threads saying A&M needs to set its standard higher than just beating UT?

Aggies in my east Texas hometown told me when I was in high school that A&M hates UT so much that A&M could lose every game of the season and then beat UT and the season would be considered a success. From reading this board it seems true today.

Oh yeah, well the day laborers down off Ross St told me tu could lose every game except Texas A&M and they would consider their season a success.

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Again, I thought that it was strange that the full tower was lighted for A&M but not OU, but figured at some time in the past the A&M game was bigger than the OU game.

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I'm glad you find it strange too. So you can see why the Ags give you a hard time about it. It's completely justified too.

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In my years at Texas we had a bonfire before the A&M football game. There was no hex rally. That was revived after Texas stopped burning a bonfire for the game. Midnight already corrrected it, but your original post was clearly wrong that hex rally was to "counter" your bonfire. It was done to break a losing streak against A&M.

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Right I know that, I read the article too. That was the mindset at the time, but it has continued over the years instead of being a one time attempt to end a losing streak, AND it is tu's pre-A&M game activity like A&M's Bonfire.

So, like it or not, it's mirrored the Aggie Bonfire over the decades. I doubt tu needed to take part in the Hex Rally all these years to end that losing streak from back in the day. My guess is it was to counter our Bonfire. Heaven forbid A&M doing something special before the tu game, and tu have nothing in return to do like this quote from the article about this says below.......

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I remember that. How does it show my misconceptions about lighting the tower? The campus also turned off all the water at all the fountains on campus. Nice to see you doing research about The University. Here is one you may not know: They had started work on a large fountain in front of the Texas Union and the old Architecture Building on the West Mall and because of the energy shortage they made it a flower bed. It is now a fountain, not sure when they changed it but it was a flower bed for at least a decade.

As for as your comment about was Thanksgiving cancelled if we lost to A&M, duh.... Thanksgiving Dinner back than was always before the game. Think before you type. And, don't you think the smaller city of Austin back when the lighting of the full tower for a victory over A&M made Thanksgiving night more special? Remember, the mean t-sips beat yall like a rented mule prior to women being admitted to A&M so most years The University and the city of Austin did enjoy seeing the full tower lit.

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Right I know that, I read the article too. That was the mindset at the time, but it has continued over the years instead of being a one time attempt to end a losing streak, AND it is tu's pre-A&M game activity like A&M's Bonfire.

So, like it or not, it's mirrored the Aggie Bonfire over the decades. I doubt tu needed to take part in the Hex Rally all these years to end that losing streak from back in the day. My guess is it was to counter our Bonfire. Heaven forbid A&M doing something special before the tu game, and tu have nothing in return to do like this quote from the article about this says below.......


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GQ, I didn't have to read an article. The hex rally was stopped for a long length of time. I don't know when it was stopped but it was. We had a bonfire, no hex rally when I was at Texas and I know it had been a bonfire and not the hex rally for years. The Beat A&M bonfire was stopped either in the late '70's or early 80's, more than likely the '70's. Some time after that rather than just have a Beat A&M rally they brought back the Hex Rally. I've been to it a couple of times, Coach Brown lights the first candle and then the football team light their candles fron his and then they go into the crowd and light the thousands of student's candles. It is kinda cool.

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Glad you agree.

Sorry, I hit post before I wrote my response so I edited.

Why does it bother aggies so much that Texas considers OU the bigger rival? It is not like either school doesn't hate to lose to the other.

Doesn't bother us at all. We just laugh at you for constantly bringing it up. We don't care.

I bet it IS pretty cool TexasFan.

My point was that tu, NOT TO BE OUTDONE by A&M's pregame acitivities, came up with their own tradition for the A&M game.

Hex Rally, then tu bonfire, then back to Hex Rally is irrelevant and doesn't really change that fact.

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Why does it bother aggies so much that Texas considers OU the bigger rival?

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We think it's hilarious watching you say one thing but do another. It must bother sips we have our own views on this or there wouldn't be so many replying on this thread.

As a sip you can SAY one team means less, but EVERYONE on the outside sees the effort you put into that team and it's contradictory.

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As for as your comment about was Thanksgiving cancelled if we lost to A&M, duh.... Thanksgiving Dinner back than was always before the game. Think before you type. And, don't you think the smaller city of Austin back when the lighting of the full tower for a victory over A&M made Thanksgiving night more special? Remember, the mean t-sips beat yall like a rented mule prior to women being admitted to A&M so most years The University and the city of Austin did enjoy seeing the full tower lit.

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I see the point of my rhetorical question was somewhat lost. To be sure a lit tower would make sip dinner taste a bit better, however, the original statement you made indicated that the tower was lit for victory over the Aggies as well as celebrating the holiday. Without a victory over the Aggies, the tower remains dark on Thanksgiving. Your belief is incorrect.

To keep this on topic, if the "main" rivalry has been changed, why haven't the rules for lighting the tower?

The answer? Because beating OU doesn't matter when it comes to being the best in the state of Texas.

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My point was that tu, NOT TO BE OUTDONE by A&M's pregame acitivities, came up with their own tradition for the A&M game.

Hex Rally, then tu bonfire, then back to Hex Rally is irrelevant and doesn't really change that fact.

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How smart are you, GQ? I would wage money that UT had the Beat A&M Bonfire long before the 1941 Hex Rally. As was stated previously, bonfires have always been football traditions with regards to football in our state. Even little ole Grand Saline and Van had bonfires before their big rival game for decades and decades. And the game was played on Thanksgiving way back when.

How odd you said VAN, that's where I graduated from High School. And yes we had bonfires. But we arent arguing the origin of bonfires. If tu had pregame activities BEFORE A&M, then why would they feel the need to NOT BE OUTDONE?Luckily you were only 'guessing' cuz the article implies this very simple point "A&M had pregame activities, tu wanted some too" period.
And you are asking ME how smart I am.

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Are you kidding me? When did you graduate from Van?

1996

Guess non-ags can't send pvt messages. My brother proudly wears his state championship football ring he got while coaching the Vandals in '79. If I could do it privately, I'd tell you more. My nephew is married to a drum majorette probably from you years at VHS.

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Weird that ya'll say Van. I grew up there before moving to Wimberley in 6th grade.

I remember the Van bonfires.

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Guess non-ags can't send pvt messages

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Pull out your wallet and support the site, and you will be able to PM all you want.

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couldn't tu create a song for OU? they could but haven't

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"...give 'em hell, give 'em hell
OU SUCKS!
and its goodbye to all the rest..."

I was waiting for this cat abuser to vomit on the thread

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consent

meow for yes...and say no for no?

"Stop. I don't know you. You have no right doing that. I have feline AIDS. This isn't right." = NO

"MEEOOOWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHHHSSSSSSSSSS" = Indifferent

I think your girl found a new guy!

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Make em eat sheet"

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This says a lot about what you know right here. When I refer to the LSS I am referring to the rivalry. The LSS website that monitors the matchups and the handing out of LSS trophies have gone on for 3 years yes, but the actual rivalry between A&M and tu is older than the RRS. How do you not know this. Did you really think the rivalry started 3 years ago?

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You appeared to be comparing the parts with promotional titles. Yes we have been competing longer than us and OU. But if you look at the overall records/rankings of all sports during our rivalry the LSS standings would be even more lopsided and it wouldn’t be much of a rivalry.

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The RRS is all about the football game, the hype, the attention, it's in a neutral stadium in the middle of the state fair and tu and OU have always been good teams so it's no surprise that alot of people watch it. I have yet to see that same hype for an OU/tu baseball or basketball game, or any other sport between them.

The LSS is beyond one game, or even sports in general. Of course beating tu is important to A&M, and beating A&M is important to tu, see the lighting of the tower info I provided, which is NOT done for OU. We have traditions that are geared to one another, tu even has some based off A&M's traditions, also see the info I provided, has tu copied anything of OUs? We compete academically as well and are the largest universities in the Big 12. We have higher admissions standards than OU and Tceh but yet we still have much larger student populations, that's because more people want to go to A&M and tu than OU and Tceh, plain and simple.

Maybe this is the best was to look at it...... the A&M/tu rivalry(LSS)is more of a university vs university rivalry whereas the RRS is a football team A vs football team B rivalry.

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The idea that the OU rivalry is football only is BS. Only t-shirt UT fans would say that. The football game definitely has more media attention(name, location etc.), but as an actual Longhorn I can promise you the vitriol is no les in the other sports. We hate them.

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The RRS and LSS are both well known rivalries, this thread was not intended to argue with an OU fan but poke fun at the sips when they say A&M means nothing to them when history and current activities say otherwise.

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I don’t think it means nothing. Like I said I think they are equally big, just different.

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My point was that tu, NOT TO BE OUTDONE by A&M's pregame acitivities, came up with their own tradition for the A&M game.

If tu had pregame activities BEFORE A&M, then why would they feel the need to NOT BE OUTDONE?Luckily you were only 'guessing' cuz the article implies this very simple point "A&M had pregame activities, tu wanted some too" period.

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You are reading way too much into that quote. That is from a sociological researcher. It is not making a historical statement. Rather saying that it’s a rival, and both have big unique things to mark it. It was not a response to the bonfire. That simply isn’t historically accurate.

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As a sip you can SAY one team means less, but EVERYONE on the outside sees the effort you put into that team and it's contradictory.

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Well according to many on this site football and basketball are the only big men’s sports. The outside world has seen more rivalry for UT and OU then UT and A&M over the years. And really baseball too. There are 2 rivals. I would say sport by sport OU is bigger, day in day out A&M is. It’s a push.

For those of you sick of this thread, sorry for blimping it
It IS the offseason still.

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The idea that the OU rivalry is football only is BS. Only t-shirt UT fans would say that. The football game definitely has more media attention(name, location etc.), but as an actual Longhorn I can promise you the vitriol is no les in the other sports. We hate them.

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We hate tceh but we don't claim a rivalry with them. From another thread.....

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only football.

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Like I said I think they are equally big, just different

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Agreed. Like I said before, one is university vs university and the other sport vs sport. Of course I claim football only, you claim all sports, but whatever.

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You are reading way too much into that quote. That is from a sociological researcher. It is not making a historical statement. Rather saying that it’s a rival, and both have big unique things to mark it. It was not a response to the bonfire. That simply isn’t historically accurate.

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Truth is I added links to articles on utexas.edu for added effect. I knew of this type of stuff anyway and didn't want to just 'say' stuff without anything to back me up. Facts being A&M had a pregame activity for the tu game, tu did not have something in the reverse, so they created one. I don't think it matters whether A&M had a parade, a bonfire or a concert before the tu game, it's not a stretch to think that tu created it to have something of their own. The writer wasn't completely speculating that in the article.

Whether it was intended to COUNTER the bonfire or not, that's what ended up happening through the years. It was tu's pregame activity FOR A&M and still is.

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There are 2 rivals. I would say sport by sport OU is bigger, day in day out A&M is. It’s a push.

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At least you are almost on track with me with this statement. A&M/tu is everyday and OU/tu is sports only, I'll give you some credit here.
But what happens in a year like 2006 when A&M beats tu in more sports than OU?

The very fact that A&M has not, as you claim, been as competitive as OU througout the years but yet maintained an equal rivalry with tu is pretty impressive. It backs what I've said which is it's more than sports with A&M/tu. Imagine if A&M beat tu in everything every year, OU would be a distant memory right? Because A&M already has the everyday rivalry, but it would also have the sport by sport to boot

The laughable thing here is the SUPPORT for how much of a rival OU is to tu. Why would you be proud of that anyway? tu has the series edge over OU and A&M both, true, but at least A&M's academic standards are more like tu's and A&M and tu are closer in size and overall respectability. It's like if A&M had a rivalry with tu AND tceh and Aggies were bragging about how much better our rivalry with tceh is than tu. Is that a good thing?

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AH doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about, or only cares about football himself. I went to every major sport event against OU as a student and many as an alum. I promise you it is moe than just football.

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You’re close to understanding it. But it is event to event for OU(or sport to sport as you say). Those events tend to be bigger than the individual events with A&M. But A&M is day in day out. I don’t compare academic standings or what some alumnus accomplished with OU fans I do with Aggies. You could say the A&M rivalry is deeper and the OU rivalry is flashier.

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Facts being A&M had a pregame activity for the tu game, tu did not have something in the reverse, so they created one. I don't think it matters whether A&M had a parade, a bonfire or a concert before the tu game, it's not a stretch to think that tu created it to have something of their own. The writer wasn't completely speculating that in the article.

Whether it was intended to COUNTER the bonfire or not, that's what ended up happening through the years. It was tu's pregame activity FOR A&M and still is.

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Problem is that’s not the FACT. We had a bonfire way before we had the hex rally. It was a normal run of the mill pep rally with bonfire. A&M’s bonfire grew to mythic proportions and we eventually adopted the hex rally after it broke a losing streak. We didn’t create anything because you had bonfire. We already had something and it grew into the hex rally.

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At least you are almost on track with me with this statement. A&M/tu is everyday and OU/tu is sports only, I'll give you some credit here.
But what happens in a year like 2006 when A&M beats tu in more sports than OU?

The very fact that A&M has not, as you claim, been as competitive as OU througout the years but yet maintained an equal rivalry with tu is pretty impressive. It backs what I've said which is it's more than sports with A&M/tu. Imagine if A&M beat tu in everything every year, OU would be a distant memory right? Because A&M already has the everyday rivalry, but it would also have the sport by sport to boot

The laughable thing here is the SUPPORT for how much of a rival OU is to tu. Why would you be proud of that anyway? tu has the series edge over OU and A&M both, true, but at least A&M's academic standards are more like tu's and A&M and tu are closer in size and overall respectability. It's like if A&M had a rivalry with tu AND tceh and Aggies were bragging about how much better our rivalry with tceh is than tu. Is that a good thing?

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I believe I answered some of this already, but here goes. There are more years, looking across all sports, when OU provides more competition. On many levels 2006 was an anomaly.

I agree that with A&M it is more than just sports. Like I said in my original metaphore A&M is like a brother, you want to beat them at everything, rib them about it, ut also have a beer with them.

If A&M had been historically as competitive with us as OU across multiple sports, and if the games had national implications as often then of course that coupled with the day to day stuff would make them the bigger rival. But that isn’t the case.

You right about our universities being more alike than UT and OU as well. Which as I’ve said lends itself to why our rivalry is more day in day out.(so does proximity and the likelihood of working with/living around each other). I have never said either rival was bigger. Anyone who does is either uninformed or trying to get a rise out of someone(which can be fun at times).